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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On March 27 2009 06:01 CharlieMurphy wrote: -2 population = good Good summary. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
However, for the lower class in the inner city, guns mean something completely different. If you were surrounded by gangs, drugs, and violence on pretty much a daily basis, and never knew when someone might try to rob you, or try to break into your house, etc., you would probably buy a gun and think more seriously of its protective power over your home and your family. Now I am myself quite middle-class, and can probably never understand the pressures and difficulties of life in the ghetto, but as the gangs will always have the guns, I would feel morally reprehensible about taking away guns from the ones who simply want to sleep a little safer at night. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
Guns are tools that can be used for good or evil. Those using it for evil care not for its imminent laws. Gun laws are meant to disarm the good willing people. Check out the history behind the 2nd amendment. It's there for a reason, to defend the people from tyranny. A world without any guns whatsoever would be great. But it just can't be so. Disarming law-abiding citizens would just make things worse, much worse! Those that retain guns can do whatever they want. Common criminals, and criminal authorities alike! edit: typo. | ||
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RA
Latvia791 Posts
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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statix
United States1760 Posts
On March 27 2009 04:12 baal wrote: please tell me how that 11yo would have killed both his parents lol. also ive held a weapon, gone hunting many times and actually own one just for the record, i believe they should be banned. Did you even read the article? He shot a woman while she was sleeping. Could he not have stabbed her while she was asleep? Please provide a good reason why weapons should be banned? Do you honestly think that banning guns will stop killing or keep criminals from getting them? I may be wrong but I think that murder existed before guns. | ||
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AtlaS
United States1001 Posts
On March 27 2009 00:09 Disregard wrote: "An 11-year-old boy could be tried as an adult in a US court and face a mandatory life sentence if found guilty of killing his father's pregnant fiancee, local media reported. A judge in Lawrence County, western Pennsylvania ruled that the child, Jordan Brown, would not be tried as a minor, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. Lawyers for the boy said they would file a motion to have the case moved to juvenile court, after obtaining more forensic evidence. The paper reported that Brown sat silently with his hands and feet shackled during his preliminary hearing, before being returned to a juvenile detention center where his attorney said he was "thriving." He is accused of last month shooting Kenzie Houk, 26, in the back of the head while she slept, killing her and her unborn child who died of oxygen deprivation. He faces two charges of criminal homicide. Houk was nine months pregnant and had two daughters, age seven and four, who lived in the house with her, her fiance Chris Brown and his son, Jordan. The boy allegedly covered a shotgun with a blanket and shot Houk in head while she was asleep, before running out of the house to catch the school bus. Relatives said the boy was jealous of Houk and her children. He is scheduled for an arraignment on May 1." Kid mustve been very depressed and lonely to brutally murder them. Where did this kid learn how to do such a thing at that age? Hes like a natural, covering up the sound of the shotgun blast with a blanket? Gotta love television. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.435ee54695f096e1c77c6fc27a19acd2.161&show_article=1 Just a random thought I just had while reading this. Why does he get 2 counts of homicide if abortion is considered legal in the states? Strange to think that an unborn baby is only considered a person if it's wanted by the mother. I'm not looking to start a giant flamewar between pro-life and pro-choice people, just looking for someone who has any idea behind the legal reasoning of this. EDIT: Bolded the wrong part | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Where do you draw the line ? Wherever you draw it, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, eventually somebody right on the limit is going to be put into jail, and somebody 2 days before their birthday will get away with it. There's no age difference between these two people other than a few days, yet one is completely liable and the other gets away with it. That is just stupid. This story and the comments about it bother me because there's a lot of injustice and abuse world wide. A lot of people have a lived a fucked up life and don't kill anyone for it, even their abuser, even though that's totally justified IMO. They get through it. For those that don't, we don't allow this "fucked up life" to be a reason for letting people off with murdering or raping somebody. We still convict them and put them in jail. How can you say because this boy is 11 it is ok to give him therapy and try to rehabilitate him when some guy in his early twenties who had a totally fucked up life who goes on to kill someone will be branded a killer and thrown into jail or executed with no one giving a shit about him? So to all you people who want to be lenient on him, or suggesting not jail but juvenile or whatever.... Think about every person who had a hard life who murdered somebody and was put in jail or was executed. Maybe they need therapy and imprisoning somebody for any crime is the most barbaric crime of all? I mean think of their pain! Is this what you are suggesting? If not, at what point, what specific date on the calender in anyone's life should we change our opinion from "What a shame this child was abused, kid needs therapy, help him"... to "Throw him in jail." Or in the case of America, [and some other countries? I'm not sure exactly] "Commence the execution." Edit: To the above post... Possibly something to do with the fact that it wasn't in the early stages of life she was nine months pregnant which is virtually born, and murdering a new born baby is still murder, possibly the worst murder you can commit. It's nothing to do with whether the mother wants it, and I'm fairly sure people don't "abort" a pregnancy after a certain time, you give birth and give it away if you don't want it. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
The reason so many criminals got guns in the US is due to the history of lax gun regulations, if you can't take the gun from your dad, buy it in a shop and remove the register number or just buy it from a criminal who got it in the before mentioned ways then you got to smuggle it into the country which is a ton harder than smuggling drugs. Also notice that pistols which are the best suited for crimes are inferior to rifles in every other regard which means that allowing pistols is just stupid. What I am saying is not that the US would be better off now with banning guns, what I am saying is that they would have been better off if they banned guns a hundred years ago since then guns would be as rare there as they are in western Europe today, even among criminals. | ||
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
"found guilty of pregnant his father's fiance" .. still bad either way... just one more situation Helios would be a +. | ||
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Person514cs
1004 Posts
On March 27 2009 02:52 dream-_- wrote: 1, we cant say if he would have killed her if he didnt have access to a gun. 2, I dont think it takes someone at 11 to be mentally unstable. An 11 year old prolly doesn't even know what murder means, how can you expect him to completely understand what he is doing? To lock this kid up for life would be nothing but a waste of taxpayer money, an increase on an already overflowing criminal justice system, not to mention throwing away a life. I think minors being sentenced as adults is absurd. Thanks to Measure 11 that was passed in Oregon not too long ago, my 15 year old brother was recently sentenced to 8 years in jail. I understand the whole 'tough on crime' stance, but sending a 15 year old to jail for that long for robbery is unthinkable. He is not a danger to society in any way. He is an idiot kid from a bad neighborhood who started hanging out with the wrong people and helped break into some guys house because of peer pressure. In rare instances is this a good thing for society in any way, and more often than not it traps kids into a life of crime or mediocrity. I agree. People should get punished according to their maturity. It's kind of crazy to divide people to just two groups: adult and kids. I think the strength of the punishment should be proportional to their ago thought out a person's life. 11 years old kids do not even have their brain fully developed. Their decision making process is still maturing. | ||
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BalliSLife
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Person514cs
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
On March 27 2009 07:32 Person514cs wrote: So.. If I let my 10 years old son play around with a nuclear bomb and some how he blow up a city and killed 10 million people. My son will suddenly become the most evil person ever lived? hmm..... i best hide that in the closet then.... | ||
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BalliSLife
1339 Posts
On March 27 2009 07:32 Person514cs wrote: So.. If I let my 10 years old son play around with a nuclear bomb and some how he blow up a city and killed 10 million people. My son will suddenly become the most evil person ever lived? If some were still alive from the blast they would probably tell him that he is the most evil person ever. | ||
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Person514cs
1004 Posts
On March 27 2009 07:36 BalliSLife wrote: If some were still alive from the blast they would probably tell him that he is the most evil person ever. So. I am still a good person right? It's all ''my son's fault. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On March 27 2009 06:52 AtlaS wrote: Just a random thought I just had while reading this. Why does he get 2 counts of homicide if abortion is considered legal in the states? Strange to think that an unborn baby is only considered a person if it's wanted by the mother. I'm not looking to start a giant flamewar between pro-life and pro-choice people, just looking for someone who has any idea behind the legal reasoning of this. EDIT: Bolded the wrong part Are you a moron? For 1 abortion is consented. Secondly, Most abortion is and must be done within the first trimester of pregnancy. Seriously, This is the dumbest question I've ever seen. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On March 27 2009 00:35 Blunderbore wrote: that's why starcraft > counterstrike. Cs forces kids to kill people, while starcraft encourages to fund supply depots to feed the hungry! I lol'ed very hard at that =D | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
On March 27 2009 06:45 statix wrote: Did you even read the article? He shot a woman while she was sleeping. Could he not have stabbed her while she was asleep? Please provide a good reason why weapons should be banned? Do you honestly think that banning guns will stop killing or keep criminals from getting them? I may be wrong but I think that murder existed before guns. =_= i get warned because i get to agressive arguing but come on! just look at this fucking arguments for crying out, i feel like explaining the theory of relativity to down syndrome kids. I may be wrong but I think that murder existed before guns. Thanks for the newsflash dumbfuck, so tell me, we should allow explosives to be owned by "law abiding citizens"?, should we allow them to own mortars, what about machine guns etc?... The fact that you can kill a person without a gun doesnt mean we should provide everyone with easy access to more deadly weapons. Banning weapons clearly wont totally stop crimes with guns, but it certainly make sit harder to get one if all are outlawed. | ||
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