EPTbut on a side note, i think the bigger issue with all these kids going crazy with violence is parenting. we in america have become horrible parents, not setting examples, not being around. instead we park our kids infront of a game or tv, that is where most of their time is spent, not actually interacting with people in the important developmental stages of their lives.
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deathgodtoss
Korea (North)189 Posts
but on a side note, i think the bigger issue with all these kids going crazy with violence is parenting. we in america have become horrible parents, not setting examples, not being around. instead we park our kids infront of a game or tv, that is where most of their time is spent, not actually interacting with people in the important developmental stages of their lives. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On March 27 2009 00:49 statix wrote: The people who want to use guns for the wrong reasons will find ways to get guns no matter what the laws say. Granted it will be a little difficult but they'll still obtain them one way or another. Take a look at the ban on fully automatic weapons and guess how many people on the streets actually have them. Taking guns away from the public just limits their ability to defend themselves. Yes that is probably true seeing as even in Sweden organised criminals appear to have no problem getting a gun, but for an average joe like me - getting hold of a gun is quite the hassle and that is where im getting at, because alot of murders and shootings seem to be heat of the moment things, where it feels that if there wouldn't have been a gun at handy someone wouldn't have died or gotten shot. And the ability to defend themselves - against what? Like someone else pointed out if nobody else has guns why would you yourself need a gun to defend ourself?? If the hardcore criminals comes after you i doubt it would matter much if you had a gun or not, unfortunately. | ||
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Xenixx
United States536 Posts
On March 27 2009 01:13 NeonFlare wrote: If there was no gun the kid might have used something else, such as kitchen knife or hammer. Who knows, he was probably not only deeply jealous and engulfed in envy, but also desperate or just overall crazy. Regardless of what sentece they are going to give him, it's likely that he will suffer even more if he ever realizes the gravity of his actions. wrong quote | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
I think he needs to go to an asylum for the rest of his life, not prison. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On March 27 2009 00:22 unkkz wrote: Taking guns away from the public just limits their ability to defend themselves. I haven't seen any evidence of this argument although I've heard it many times. Could someone link me to some studies that say personal possession of a firearm reduces crime in the US? I know it's usually hard to prove something along the lines of "my gun was a deterrent that stopped the robbery/murder" because many aren't published. In my opinion, owning a firearm wouldn't help defend yourself. I wouldn't pull out my gun to "defend myself" if someone else pulled on a gun on me. What am I going to do, shoot him? Even if I had the mental willpower to do it, and shoot him before he shoots me, I would be fucked up for life. I believe I'd have a better chance of surviving if I use words instead and let him have my possessions. Judging by posts from Europeans in this thread, I don't think they understand that the main reason there aren't gun laws in the US is that it's their constitutional right. That's never going to change regardless of the studies done. Edit: Messed up quote. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4939 Posts
On March 27 2009 00:49 statix wrote: The people who want to use guns for the wrong reasons will find ways to get guns no matter what the laws say. Granted it will be a little difficult but they'll still obtain them one way or another. Take a look at the ban on fully automatic weapons and guess how many people on the streets actually have them. Taking guns away from the public just limits their ability to defend themselves. That's bull, I'm sorry. Take this kid for example. It's clear he had the intention of doing what he did, but had his parents not kept guns at home, how would he be able to carry out such an act? You could argue "he could just get a knife and stab her!" or something, but that'd be pointless. Stabbing someone to death isn't as easy (for a 11 year old) as it is to pull a trigger. Not to mention various accidents that sprung news over the years... All this "The Average Joe has a right to defend himself!" crap is so outdated, honestly. Edit: clarity | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On March 27 2009 00:24 Ace wrote: What the FUCK do the gun laws have to do with this? The thing is you hear about things like this happening every other month in USA, and almost never in any other countries. I'm not trying to flame, this is just how it is. Weapons are easier to get in USA for example, that's just something to blame of course but it is something to have in mind. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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Chef
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
On March 27 2009 00:30 Rice wrote: the same thing marilyn manson had to do with columbine.......nothing, just a scapegoat umm it has to do with the fact that things like this wouldnt happen if kids didnt have access to guns? | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
On March 27 2009 02:19 dream-_- wrote: umm it has to do with the fact that things like this wouldnt happen if kids didnt have access to guns? yeah he couldnt use any of the other 17284864585 items around a typical household that could be used as a deadly weapon. the kid obviously has a problem and if something like this happened at 11 what if you took the guns away? then he still does something later in life because hes obviously not a sane individual. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On March 27 2009 02:19 dream-_- wrote: umm it has to do with the fact that things like this wouldnt happen if kids didnt have access to guns? its just as easy for a crazy person to kill people, regardlses of whether or not there are guns. Take the Japan crazy guy in a truck/knife stabbings. Without guns, the incentives criminals have are reduced. When the hell was the last time you heard of criminals robbing a gunshop, shooting range, or any of those places? If people have guns, even if they don't use them, the fact that criminals know that their crimes may result in their death is an incentive that works against crime. And if someone is determined to kill somebody, it is just as easy to do it with a crowbar or a baseball bat as it is with a gun. Hell, they could get a bow and fucking arrow, or use a molotov cocktail, or buy a gun illegally, or w/e. People behave according to incentives: if the incentives against something outweigh the incentives for, they won't do it. | ||
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
On March 27 2009 00:57 IdrA wrote: what inside information hicks like shooting shit cuz it makes them feel manly to kill deer politicians like hicks voting for them that pretty much covers it I usually agree with you, but people have guns for home protection above all other things. Lets put it this way. Would America be a safer place without guns? Obviously. Am I still going to have a gun in my house to protect my family? Obviously. | ||
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10943 Posts
[B] I usually agree with you, but people have guns for home protection above all other things. Lets put it this way. Would America be a safer place without guns? Obviously. Am I still going to have a gun in my house to protect my family? Obviously. ROFL... Yeah, go gangsta style, kill em all... ROFL | ||
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dragonmax
United States131 Posts
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On March 27 2009 02:26 Caller wrote: its just as easy for a crazy person to kill people, regardlses of whether or not there are guns. Take the Japan crazy guy in a truck/knife stabbings. Without guns, the incentives criminals have are reduced. When the hell was the last time you heard of criminals robbing a gunshop, shooting range, or any of those places? If people have guns, even if they don't use them, the fact that criminals know that their crimes may result in their death is an incentive that works against crime. And if someone is determined to kill somebody, it is just as easy to do it with a crowbar or a baseball bat as it is with a gun. Hell, they could get a bow and fucking arrow, or use a molotov cocktail, or buy a gun illegally, or w/e. People behave according to incentives: if the incentives against something outweigh the incentives for, they won't do it. Isn't that crazy japanese guy an example of how not being able to easily obtain a gun means less people die? | ||
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