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On June 06 2008 14:55 EGoldman wrote:
This thread seems full of really really angsty kids who have some deep-seated hatred for Korean people. And, why is everyone referring to the foreign scene as "white man," or "white people," I thought the foreign scene included everyone outside of Korea. Last I checked, JF looked kind of yellow to me >_>. Same with PJ. And PJ's the one who keeps getting referred to as "the foreigner who beat Savior and got silver." So, why so much weird racism and animosity??
I can understand envy of the Korean scene. I think a gamer of any other nation would feel that. We all love playing PC games, but nowhere in the world has the kind of cultural and financial support that S. Korea provides their gamers. I'm horribly envious of it and I wish the USA supported games besides fucking Halo and GTA. But that's just the population/culture we have -_-.
I think people sometimes need to examine their feelings and not let that envy turn into resentment/hate. And on the flipside, arrogance is never appealing. I'm sure, as an American, I can cite numerous industries in which the USA wtfpwns S.Korea (starting with military defense AKA REAL fighting!). Except, that would be lame, full of e-peen, and would prove nothing other than I have a shallow understanding of what's important in life.
I love the S.Korean e-sport scene, I wish it would develop that way in other parts of the world, and I really wish all the e-sport communities could combine into an international forum of competition. Maybe as IT infrastructure improves, we will see this happening in our lifetimes. But it should be seen as a shared joy, not as a source of resentment, racial enmity, or proof of superiority in any way, shape, or form. God knows enough people are pissed off with dumb ass American kids spouting off about nuking people every time they run into a foreigner who gets them angry.
what are you talking about? lol
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iNcontroL
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On June 06 2008 17:29 Boonbag wrote:
I loled, foreigners will get yet again, smashed and pwn.
INc what you say ain't true, every single fucking year, you hear foreigners going :" blah blah, this one is so good he has a shot at killing all koreans lololol" and then what ? they get owned right in the eye.
Foreigners are NO WHERE, as anything remotely close to Korean pro scene. The only things that can make a Korean pro gamer lose abroad are :
a) because he fuck cares about the tournament and is just happy to have won national qualifers
b) because he is sick
I could go on explaining you why you are so wrong but meh, pointless really.
PS : I secretly cheer every year myself for any foreigner to come on top. But i really don't see it happening.
Yeah thanks for this input. It isnt like I made an argument or anything. It isn't like nobody is saying suddenly we are just as good as the pros. nah, I think you got it pretty well dude. Thanks for this insight on page 10. We hadnt covered any of this.
Fantastic poster you are sir. Fantastic.
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United States10774 Posts
Korean semi-pros/famous amateurs>>Best foreigners.
Doesn't take a Flash/Jaedong to win WCG lol
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On June 06 2008 23:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2008 17:29 Boonbag wrote:
I loled, foreigners will get yet again, smashed and pwn.
INc what you say ain't true, every single fucking year, you hear foreigners going :" blah blah, this one is so good he has a shot at killing all koreans lololol" and then what ? they get owned right in the eye.
Foreigners are NO WHERE, as anything remotely close to Korean pro scene. The only things that can make a Korean pro gamer lose abroad are :
a) because he fuck cares about the tournament and is just happy to have won national qualifers
b) because he is sick
I could go on explaining you why you are so wrong but meh, pointless really.
PS : I secretly cheer every year myself for any foreigner to come on top. But i really don't see it happening. Yeah thanks for this input. It isnt like I made an argument or anything. It isn't like nobody is saying suddenly we are just as good as the pros. nah, I think you got it pretty well dude. Thanks for this insight on page 10. We hadnt covered any of this. Fantastic poster you are sir. Fantastic.
Youre such a flaming failure haha
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The problem with the foreign scene is the lack of innovation. When was the last time a foreigner showed up with his own style? ...NTT? Or came up with a new successful strategy? All we ever do is analyze Korean strategies and copy them. We've gotten better, yes, better and quicker when it comes to copying Korean strategy (thanks to the aforementioned availability of LAN). I don't think any foreigner can, on a consistent basis, out execute the Korean strategies that Korean players practice every freaking day with semi pro practice partners. Just over a year ago, I remember Zerg dominated Protoss, and everyone yelled imba. Between then and now Bisu came up independently with a build and style that everyone's now copying. I remember it was a time when people were giving up the fast gas corsair builds for constant 2gates, so it's not impossible.
Just think, Koreans have people that just sit there and think about the game, then they have people who go and execute those strategies. As a community, not everyone needs to be a pro at executing but I think our understanding of the game and innovative ability is lacking.
One of the biggest advantages is that we can see how they play but if we come up with something new, they probably won't know about it.
Anyways, I doubt there'll be a significant change within a few months so here's a quick way to defeat the Koreans. All the foreigners have to agree to flip a coin before every match. If it's heads, they go 5pool/bbs/cannon-rush-or-whatever (sorry, I haven't played in quite a while so I don't know what the cheeses are anymore). Tails, they go 12cc/12nexus/whatever. Or if there's a random number generator or something, a third chance of going standard play. If all the foreigners did this, there's going to be an occurrance where the pro-gamer guesses wrong twice (bo3) and lose. This assumes that foreign gamers are of course willing to give up individual goals and just work together to knock out the Koreans.
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iNcontroL
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On June 07 2008 00:55 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2008 23:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On June 06 2008 17:29 Boonbag wrote:
I loled, foreigners will get yet again, smashed and pwn.
INc what you say ain't true, every single fucking year, you hear foreigners going :" blah blah, this one is so good he has a shot at killing all koreans lololol" and then what ? they get owned right in the eye.
Foreigners are NO WHERE, as anything remotely close to Korean pro scene. The only things that can make a Korean pro gamer lose abroad are :
a) because he fuck cares about the tournament and is just happy to have won national qualifers
b) because he is sick
I could go on explaining you why you are so wrong but meh, pointless really.
PS : I secretly cheer every year myself for any foreigner to come on top. But i really don't see it happening. Yeah thanks for this input. It isnt like I made an argument or anything. It isn't like nobody is saying suddenly we are just as good as the pros. nah, I think you got it pretty well dude. Thanks for this insight on page 10. We hadnt covered any of this. Fantastic poster you are sir. Fantastic. Youre such a flaming failure haha
Wow you are even bad at dissing rofl.
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On June 07 2008 02:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2008 00:55 Boonbag wrote:On June 06 2008 23:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On June 06 2008 17:29 Boonbag wrote:
I loled, foreigners will get yet again, smashed and pwn.
INc what you say ain't true, every single fucking year, you hear foreigners going :" blah blah, this one is so good he has a shot at killing all koreans lololol" and then what ? they get owned right in the eye.
Foreigners are NO WHERE, as anything remotely close to Korean pro scene. The only things that can make a Korean pro gamer lose abroad are :
a) because he fuck cares about the tournament and is just happy to have won national qualifers
b) because he is sick
I could go on explaining you why you are so wrong but meh, pointless really.
PS : I secretly cheer every year myself for any foreigner to come on top. But i really don't see it happening. Yeah thanks for this input. It isnt like I made an argument or anything. It isn't like nobody is saying suddenly we are just as good as the pros. nah, I think you got it pretty well dude. Thanks for this insight on page 10. We hadnt covered any of this. Fantastic poster you are sir. Fantastic. Youre such a flaming failure haha Wow you are even bad at dissing rofl.
Actually the two of you seem about even there ...
*ducks and runs*
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On June 07 2008 13:40 Djabanete wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2008 02:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On June 07 2008 00:55 Boonbag wrote:On June 06 2008 23:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On June 06 2008 17:29 Boonbag wrote:
I loled, foreigners will get yet again, smashed and pwn.
INc what you say ain't true, every single fucking year, you hear foreigners going :" blah blah, this one is so good he has a shot at killing all koreans lololol" and then what ? they get owned right in the eye.
Foreigners are NO WHERE, as anything remotely close to Korean pro scene. The only things that can make a Korean pro gamer lose abroad are :
a) because he fuck cares about the tournament and is just happy to have won national qualifers
b) because he is sick
I could go on explaining you why you are so wrong but meh, pointless really.
PS : I secretly cheer every year myself for any foreigner to come on top. But i really don't see it happening. Yeah thanks for this input. It isnt like I made an argument or anything. It isn't like nobody is saying suddenly we are just as good as the pros. nah, I think you got it pretty well dude. Thanks for this insight on page 10. We hadnt covered any of this. Fantastic poster you are sir. Fantastic. Youre such a flaming failure haha Wow you are even bad at dissing rofl. Actually the two of you seem about even there ... *ducks and runs*
actually I wasn't dissing at all. But you'd be wise to not pick fights with 70 posts on this forum. It's a quick way to get banned.
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On June 07 2008 14:17 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2008 13:40 Djabanete wrote:On June 07 2008 02:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On June 07 2008 00:55 Boonbag wrote:On June 06 2008 23:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On June 06 2008 17:29 Boonbag wrote:
I loled, foreigners will get yet again, smashed and pwn.
INc what you say ain't true, every single fucking year, you hear foreigners going :" blah blah, this one is so good he has a shot at killing all koreans lololol" and then what ? they get owned right in the eye.
Foreigners are NO WHERE, as anything remotely close to Korean pro scene. The only things that can make a Korean pro gamer lose abroad are :
a) because he fuck cares about the tournament and is just happy to have won national qualifers
b) because he is sick
I could go on explaining you why you are so wrong but meh, pointless really.
PS : I secretly cheer every year myself for any foreigner to come on top. But i really don't see it happening. Yeah thanks for this input. It isnt like I made an argument or anything. It isn't like nobody is saying suddenly we are just as good as the pros. nah, I think you got it pretty well dude. Thanks for this insight on page 10. We hadnt covered any of this. Fantastic poster you are sir. Fantastic. Youre such a flaming failure haha Wow you are even bad at dissing rofl. Actually the two of you seem about even there ... *ducks and runs* actually I wasn't dissing at all. But you'd be wise to not pick fights with 70 posts on this forum. It's a quick way to get banned. I survived. >
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
there is still time. But lets stop with the shitty posting and sidetracking of this thread. I know its a task and all but give it a shot.
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On June 06 2008 17:47 snowbird wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2008 14:55 EGoldman wrote:
This thread seems full of really really angsty kids who have some deep-seated hatred for Korean people. And, why is everyone referring to the foreign scene as "white man," or "white people," I thought the foreign scene included everyone outside of Korea. Last I checked, JF looked kind of yellow to me >_>. Same with PJ. And PJ's the one who keeps getting referred to as "the foreigner who beat Savior and got silver." So, why so much weird racism and animosity??
I can understand envy of the Korean scene. I think a gamer of any other nation would feel that. We all love playing PC games, but nowhere in the world has the kind of cultural and financial support that S. Korea provides their gamers. I'm horribly envious of it and I wish the USA supported games besides fucking Halo and GTA. But that's just the population/culture we have -_-.
I think people sometimes need to examine their feelings and not let that envy turn into resentment/hate. And on the flipside, arrogance is never appealing. I'm sure, as an American, I can cite numerous industries in which the USA wtfpwns S.Korea (starting with military defense AKA REAL fighting!). Except, that would be lame, full of e-peen, and would prove nothing other than I have a shallow understanding of what's important in life.
I love the S.Korean e-sport scene, I wish it would develop that way in other parts of the world, and I really wish all the e-sport communities could combine into an international forum of competition. Maybe as IT infrastructure improves, we will see this happening in our lifetimes. But it should be seen as a shared joy, not as a source of resentment, racial enmity, or proof of superiority in any way, shape, or form. God knows enough people are pissed off with dumb ass American kids spouting off about nuking people every time they run into a foreigner who gets them angry. what are you talking about? lol
Just look at Rekrul's threads that constantly talk about WHITE MAN bad!
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Boonbag actually has a plethora of pro-gaming experience, if you haven't read his blogs iNc I suggest you do so :p
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
and yet he was horribly wrong
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On June 06 2008 14:55 EGoldman wrote:
This thread seems full of really really angsty kids who have some deep-seated hatred for Korean people. And, why is everyone referring to the foreign scene as "white man," or "white people," I thought the foreign scene included everyone outside of Korea. Last I checked, JF looked kind of yellow to me >_>. Same with PJ. And PJ's the one who keeps getting referred to as "the foreigner who beat Savior and got silver." So, why so much weird racism and animosity??
I can understand envy of the Korean scene. I think a gamer of any other nation would feel that. We all love playing PC games, but nowhere in the world has the kind of cultural and financial support that S. Korea provides their gamers. I'm horribly envious of it and I wish the USA supported games besides fucking Halo and GTA. But that's just the population/culture we have -_-.
I think people sometimes need to examine their feelings and not let that envy turn into resentment/hate. And on the flipside, arrogance is never appealing. I'm sure, as an American, I can cite numerous industries in which the USA wtfpwns S.Korea (starting with military defense AKA REAL fighting!). Except, that would be lame, full of e-peen, and would prove nothing other than I have a shallow understanding of what's important in life.
I love the S.Korean e-sport scene, I wish it would develop that way in other parts of the world, and I really wish all the e-sport communities could combine into an international forum of competition. Maybe as IT infrastructure improves, we will see this happening in our lifetimes. But it should be seen as a shared joy, not as a source of resentment, racial enmity, or proof of superiority in any way, shape, or form. God knows enough people are pissed off with dumb ass American kids spouting off about nuking people every time they run into a foreigner who gets them angry.
Are you related to Teamliquidsucks? Sure sound as stupid oO
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I like your enthusiasm and your points, but I really don't think it's going to happen.
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United States20667 Posts
How was he horribly wrong? He may not have addressed your points as directly as you may have liked, but his statement that foreigners are nowhere near Koreans seems perfectly correct.
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On June 09 2008 04:43 uppTagg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2008 14:55 EGoldman wrote:
This thread seems full of really really angsty kids who have some deep-seated hatred for Korean people. And, why is everyone referring to the foreign scene as "white man," or "white people," I thought the foreign scene included everyone outside of Korea. Last I checked, JF looked kind of yellow to me >_>. Same with PJ. And PJ's the one who keeps getting referred to as "the foreigner who beat Savior and got silver." So, why so much weird racism and animosity??
I can understand envy of the Korean scene. I think a gamer of any other nation would feel that. We all love playing PC games, but nowhere in the world has the kind of cultural and financial support that S. Korea provides their gamers. I'm horribly envious of it and I wish the USA supported games besides fucking Halo and GTA. But that's just the population/culture we have -_-.
I think people sometimes need to examine their feelings and not let that envy turn into resentment/hate. And on the flipside, arrogance is never appealing. I'm sure, as an American, I can cite numerous industries in which the USA wtfpwns S.Korea (starting with military defense AKA REAL fighting!). Except, that would be lame, full of e-peen, and would prove nothing other than I have a shallow understanding of what's important in life.
I love the S.Korean e-sport scene, I wish it would develop that way in other parts of the world, and I really wish all the e-sport communities could combine into an international forum of competition. Maybe as IT infrastructure improves, we will see this happening in our lifetimes. But it should be seen as a shared joy, not as a source of resentment, racial enmity, or proof of superiority in any way, shape, or form. God knows enough people are pissed off with dumb ass American kids spouting off about nuking people every time they run into a foreigner who gets them angry. Are you related to Teamliquidsucks? Sure sound as stupid oO
Screw you. My point stands. If you have a problem with it, then debate. Don't hurl insults.
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iNcontroL
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On June 09 2008 13:03 Last Romantic wrote:
How was he horribly wrong? He may not have addressed your points as directly as you may have liked, but his statement that foreigners are nowhere near Koreans seems perfectly correct.
Seriously? Did you read his post? He said that the only 2 things that can allow a korean progamer to lose are A. if they dont care or B. if they are sick. FALSE. Historically they have lost several games while trying their darndest I dont want to hear otherwise. Speaking in absolutes is usually moronic. Especially when we have so few examples to go off of and can so easily pick counter evidence that supports the claim that he is a moron.
He stated that non-koreans are nowhere near the top tier professionalkoreans. I stated that that has been said 30 times and at page 10 is uniquely idiotic due to the evident reality that he either didnt read the thread or did and somehow didnt grasp the concept that this has been brought up, quickly dealt with and for the most part moved on.
Those are just a couple of them.. I could go on but I'd rather not walk anyone through that post. It got what it deserved and you are defending him because he lived in korea loved bw and blogged about it on TL. That doesnt make him a fucking force in regard to WCG. So lets stop pampering him. He said something stupid and he can deal with that.
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On June 09 2008 14:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2008 13:03 Last Romantic wrote:
How was he horribly wrong? He may not have addressed your points as directly as you may have liked, but his statement that foreigners are nowhere near Koreans seems perfectly correct. Seriously? Did you read his post? He said that the only 2 things that can allow a korean progamer to lose are A. if they dont care or B. if they are sick. FALSE. Historically they have lost several games while trying their darndest I dont want to hear otherwise. Speaking in absolutes is usually moronic. Especially when we have so few examples to go off of and can so easily pick counter evidence that supports the claim that he is a moron. He stated that non-koreans are nowhere near the top tier professionalkoreans. I stated that that has been said 30 times and at page 10 is uniquely idiotic due to the evident reality that he either didnt read the thread or did and somehow didnt grasp the concept that this has been brought up, quickly dealt with and for the most part moved on. Those are just a couple of them.. I could go on but I'd rather not walk anyone through that post. It got what it deserved and you are defending him because he lived in korea loved bw and blogged about it on TL. That doesnt make him a fucking force in regard to WCG. So lets stop pampering him. He said something stupid and he can deal with that.
You're just giving it too much effort dude. See within 15 lines you barely said anything more than "his post was stupid and it's not because he lived in Korea he is right".
So what?
You said I'm wrong - great - I said you were wrong. I have yet to witness a white boy since Elky, qualify for the ongamenet starleague.
And if you think that very last statement I made is plain stupid, then it basically means you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
WCG has never meant anything for Koreans. Even foreigners that were pro gamers, such as Elky and Grrrr... didn't give a flying fuck about WCG and you can go and ask em because it's the truth.
Grrrr... forfeited from 2 WCGS to play some other Korean event because it wasn't fitting the schedule.
What about you "white elite foreign bw players" try to wipe your ass a little with that shitty pride you get from sucking at a 11 years old game ?
You argue more in your own retarded thread than you actually play this game.
Don't bother replying.
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iNcontroL
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I havent bothered replying. I just like to laugh at morons
You ignored the part where I said EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID WAS ALREADY MENTIONED AND DISCUSSED. YOU ARE SO FUCKING DUMB YOU DONT READ 10 PAGES OF A THREAD BUT SOMEHOW ASSUME THAT PEOPLE HAVENT COVERED THE "KOREANS ARE BETTER ARGUMENT."
Fucking rofl. Go right a blog about how you watched great players play bw in the country you happened to live in. People seem to enjoy personal accounts of what they witnessed. Cause you are fucking bad at applying any kind of logic here. Really fucking bad.
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