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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
But I also have to admit that their chances and dominance has slimmed over the years. Take Oov vs Mondragon for example, Oov lost to a proxy gate, well, every progamer have their bad days. But Savior losing last year was a little unexpected. We'll just have to see next year. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13291 Posts
On May 31 2008 07:48 Guybrush wrote: Koreans let a foreigner get to the final every second year; Elky 2001 Fisheye 2003, Grrrr 3rd Androide 2005, Legionnaire 3rd PJ 2007, Mondragon 3rd In 00, 02, and 04 a foreigner took 3rd, NTT, Elky and Beast respectively. In 06 the koreans owned it up and took 1st,2nd,3rd. Chances are they'll rape it up this year if history repeats itself. The 06 lineup is the best they've sent, and if they send anything remotely close(IE guys like Flash, Jaedong, Best, Sea, Mind, Bisu) they will most likely rape it up. If they send guys like Up, Hwasin, Iris, foreigners might have a chance. Wtf, no?! Tell me who out of the current crop of top foreigners would come close to beating Hwasin, Up or Iris in a bo3? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
flash maybe not, but others like those 3, certainly. | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On May 23 2008 12:48 Last Romantic wrote: With a modernized map pool and players like By.Flash I don't see foreigners taking it. Have you seen Flash recently? Fucking untouchable. vs Rock and vs Yarnc and vs Magma and vs Jangbi he was just like 'you can have the first 10 minutes of the game. I'm going to kill you anyway'. And did just that. What the hell. Against Jangbi he didn't even scout. I hope foreigners put up a good fight, and show good games, but I honestly don't see it happening. he didnt scout vs best and lost. | ||
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1133 Posts
But seriously, white people are going to get raped, no doubt about it, the maps are in no way favor of them this time around. They've all been played in the pro-gaming circuit for some time and even current maps follow similar patterns to that of the wcg maps. ^to above: Even though flash didn't scout, he pumped goliaths nearly the same time the carriers came on by. And even after losing his expansion, he held off attacks many terrans would lose at that point. | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
And since there are so many possible combinations, I think that more than focusing in "do foreigners have a chance overall?" it should be more like: "if we get this or that we might have a chance, and I especially think this one has some chances to qualify since he got dropped from OSL and MSL and WCG will be his only chance in months to get some prize money". The best foreigners can hope for is to get someone cocky and arrogant who will underestimate his opponent and get burned. It will be best if he also is sort of irregular. Dunno, I'd like to get guys like Light or go.go. Flash is cocky and arrogant, but he is just on another level. Maybe Sea. | ||
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Kakashi[Black]
84 Posts
wcg 2007 its not about skill of non koreans , rather koreans who can`t show their full potential, to rise the korean flag in national tournament is the bigest honor , they get stressed or want it too much .. w/e , just what they play at wcg isn`t their best, at least not for all... Just sAviOr ... fuck I hated Pj for that 2;1 : / Who the fuck seen sAviOr loosing to rush on PA or loosing 6 overlords to one stupid dumb lucky corsair : / Its so sad when such an inferior player wins with a dumb stupid luck :/ | ||
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Kakashi[Black]
84 Posts
PJ did all these small things like that dt attack on an expo to the far right while pumping and hunting sairs, killing his 2nd base extractor with goons and literally, "containing" savior by taking up the mid. Where is Savior doing small things ? Loosing exp to ONE fucking DT ? Loosing 6 ols ? He didn`t play what he could, Pj was so fucking no chance vs him but luck/mentality > even bigest gap of skill ...sometimes .. I HATE PJ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GTFO!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
I honestly think that any good korean progamer is above any top foreigner. And I'm saying a good progamer, not even a top20. Top20 would just mean rape. A decent progamer would still have an over 50% win ratio against any top foreigner. Not saying that his progamer will own, but in a 30 game basis, I would still say like 20w/10L at most. Obviously if that was Flash, it would most likely be 28w/2L. What I am trying to say is that if a decent progamer qualifyies for WCG then the chances are sort of hopeful. Seriously, if let's say, ZerO qualified, I still think he is a better zerg than Mondi, who is arguably the best foreigner zerg ever. However, it's not like an impossible long shot thinking of beating him in a bo3 by any top foreigner. At least not as impossible as it sounds if it were Jaedong. There are like 50 possible progamers that can make it into the WCG2008, and as long as the big names are too busy preparing for their OSL/MSL/PL and get a little unlucky, who is to say that we won't see a korean expedition formed by Magma, TheStc and Justin? Ok, maybe chances are slim, but how about Magma, Justin and let's say... the career finished GoodFriend? I mean, you gotta pray if you want the gods of bw to hear you. | ||
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Kakashi[Black]
84 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On June 02 2008 00:50 RamenStyle wrote: Not saying that his progamer will own, but in a 30 game basis, I would still say like 20w/10L at most. Obviously if that was Flash, it would most likely be 28w/2L. If Flash was given any incentive to care at all, any outcome other than 30-0 would surprise me a lot. | ||
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
hes so good he cant even lose if he tries... | ||
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 8=====D ~~~~ Gotcha! That is all. | ||
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Vamp
United Kingdom184 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
CC3 was launched like a month before WCG and was on the bill before it was even released. It went to WCG with tremendous balance issues and was flat out not a great game. WCG isn't about the game competition it is a giant marketing venture. Of course SC2 will be on the earliest WCG bill and for me, that is the one following this WCG. That means they wont slaughter the draw SC2 has by leaving an established 10+ year old game on the bill.. why in God's name would any economically minded businessman leave a distracting and alienating product on a huge line when you can ride the hype fully and give all attention to the NEW game? This is my attempt to explain what has already been done countless times... This is the safest prediction I have ever made and if ANYONE wants to bet me money on PokerStars or paypal that WCG will NEVER have SC1 and SC2 on the same bill I would gladly accept it. The gauntlet has been thrown and nobody will accept so I suspect it best if you all drop that one. My other 2 predictions are obviously discussion oriented and impossble to prove prior to the results (as zany as my prediction may be). | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On June 05 2008 02:07 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I cannot believe how ignorant you people are. CC3 was launched like a month before WCG and was on the bill before it was even released. It went to WCG with tremendous balance issues and was flat out not a great game. WCG isn't about the game competition it is a giant marketing venture. Of course SC2 will be on the earliest WCG bill and for me, that is the one following this WCG. That means they wont slaughter the draw SC2 has by leaving an established 10+ year old game on the bill.. why in God's name would any economically minded businessman leave a distracting and alienating product on a huge line when you can ride the hype fully and give all attention to the NEW game? This is my attempt to explain what has already been done countless times... This is the safest prediction I have ever made and if ANYONE wants to bet me money on PokerStars or paypal that WCG will NEVER have SC1 and SC2 on the same bill I would gladly accept it. The gauntlet has been thrown and nobody will accept so I suspect it best if you all drop that one. My other 2 predictions are obviously discussion oriented and impossble to prove prior to the results (as zany as my prediction may be). You have a point, they did drop cs for cs:s for a year, however then brought back cs. WCG sucks ass anyway though. I really hope that SC2 will bring forth more of an esports scene in the US... but that's only a small possibility. | ||
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EGoldman
United States110 Posts
I can understand envy of the Korean scene. I think a gamer of any other nation would feel that. We all love playing PC games, but nowhere in the world has the kind of cultural and financial support that S. Korea provides their gamers. I'm horribly envious of it and I wish the USA supported games besides fucking Halo and GTA. But that's just the population/culture we have -_-. I think people sometimes need to examine their feelings and not let that envy turn into resentment/hate. And on the flipside, arrogance is never appealing. I'm sure, as an American, I can cite numerous industries in which the USA wtfpwns S.Korea (starting with military defense AKA REAL fighting!). Except, that would be lame, full of e-peen, and would prove nothing other than I have a shallow understanding of what's important in life. I love the S.Korean e-sport scene, I wish it would develop that way in other parts of the world, and I really wish all the e-sport communities could combine into an international forum of competition. Maybe as IT infrastructure improves, we will see this happening in our lifetimes. But it should be seen as a shared joy, not as a source of resentment, racial enmity, or proof of superiority in any way, shape, or form. God knows enough people are pissed off with dumb ass American kids spouting off about nuking people every time they run into a foreigner who gets them angry. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
INc what you say ain't true, every single fucking year, you hear foreigners going :" blah blah, this one is so good he has a shot at killing all koreans lololol" and then what ? they get owned right in the eye. Foreigners are NO WHERE, as anything remotely close to Korean pro scene. The only things that can make a Korean pro gamer lose abroad are : a) because he fuck cares about the tournament and is just happy to have won national qualifers b) because he is sick I could go on explaining you why you are so wrong but meh, pointless really. PS : I secretly cheer every year myself for any foreigner to come on top. But i really don't see it happening. | ||
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