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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
WOW Rekrul! Thanks dude. That was fucking deep. You also flat didnt understand my leveling of play in korea and construed it as "well that means they are all nadas now." No. It means they dont have a real super weapon except the growing Flash phenomenon. It means in their WCG a fucking mid level pro can take out one of the "big guns" and go to WCG when he is not nearly as complete of a player as a Flash, Jaedong, Bisu etc. Even if you disagree with this you have to say more than "I think that means they are all gud." That again goes under the NO SHIT catagory. What else is there to argue? Nearly as complete of a player? What more evidence should I present than Ï think that means they are all gud." ??? That's all I got and thats all I need. If you want I could write a long post about why the koreans are still a million times better than the foreigners, but thats not necessary as everyone here knows it (except you apparently). Any mid level pro that knocks out Bisu Flash or Jaedong has 10x the skill they need to walk over any foreigner easily despite how sloppy or 'incomplete' you may think they are. If you don't believe me look at ret's post. He said very quickly and bluntly that you're wrong about how the foreigners chances have been effected. If one of the very gosus you were talking about that gives foreigners a bigger chance is disagreeing with you...how can you continue to talk? It's absolute nonsense. Anyways, I agree with you on all your points of why the foreigners chances are raised, but I'm saying the rise in chances is very minimal, from like say 8% chance of a foreigner winning WCG going to 10% chance of a foreigner winning WCG this year. The way you formed your post you made it seem like they went from an 8% chance to a 30% chance of winning WCG which is absolutely ridiculous. Thats all I'm trying to say. BTW the Nony comment was a joke, I know he's good, no need to get all riled when I jab at one of your friends, little one. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Are you sure you want to know?+ Show Spoiler + This will blow your mind.+ Show Spoiler + Actually, it's the obvious answer...+ Show Spoiler + See if you can guess!?+ Show Spoiler + Kang Min | ||
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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
On May 28 2008 16:30 {88}iNcontroL wrote: FCUK FCUK w00t w00t! | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
One thing that I think has gotten lost in all the flaming and all the "REREAD MY POST IDIOT" talk is the claim that the level of play in Korea has stagnated. I think this is really, really false. People who are better at the game than I am can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think players as a whole have gotten significantly better in the last year to two years. It seems to me that the best players have less flaws than the best players a year or two ago had, and the medium level players have less flaws than the medium level players a year or two ago had. Take a look at the list of players that got top 4 in OSL or MSL since 2006. Next to each player, I've commented as to whether I think that player is currently a top 5 player in his race today. MSL ChoJJa (no) Savior (no  )Oov (no) MuMyung (no) Nal_rA (no) Kingdom (no) Midas (no) Silver (no) JJu (no) Bisu (yes) Hwasin (yes) Stork (yes) GoRush (no) FBH (no to maybe) Mind (yes) Xellos (no) Jaedong (yes) Kal (yes) Jangbi (yes) Notice how almost all the "yes" answers come from very recently.... OSL Oov (no) July (maybe ... only a recent resurgence has changed this) Pusan (no) Casy (no) Chojja (no) Yellow (no) Jju (no) Nada (maybe) Anytime (yes to maybe) Midas (no) Goodfriend (no) Savior (no) Iris (no) GGPlay (no) Stork (yes) Flash (yes and if he makes it to WCG he will ANNIHILATE everyone) Jaedong (yes) Bisu (yes) UpMagic (no) Luxury (yes) Some of these might be up for debate but I think I got most of them about right. For the record, I have (in no particular order): P: Best, Kal, Stork, Bisu, Jangbi, Much, Anytime, Rock? Free? Z: Jaedong, Luxury, July, 815, Kwanro, Yarnc, Rumble? T: Flash, Mind, Sea, Hwasin, Canata? Nada? FBH? forGG? Ruby? I might have left off a guy here or there but nobody that would contradict my list above. What is apparent is that many players that were good enough to be TOP 4 IN A STARLEAGUE as recently as 2 1/2 years ago have completely dropped off the map. Sure, some of it is retirement, lack of motivation, etc., but some of it is also that the overall level of play has gone up a lot. So what's my overall point? Basically, it's true that foreigners have gotten better and that LAN latency will help that. But, historically, another argument for foreigners being able to steal a win at WCG is that the very best Korean players don't always even make it to WCG, because of the rigors of the qualification process. However, this argument is actually WEAKER than it has been in the past, because even the "average" Korean A-class pro is now better than one or two years ago, and thus Korea actually has a wider pool of unstoppable monsters to send. For example, we all agree that if Flash, Jaedong, and Best are sent to WCG, the Koreans will probably absolutely annihilate everyone. However, say Korea sends Ruby, Yellow[arnc], and Free. Not exactly a murderer's row. But, I'd venture to say Ruby today is better than Oov was in 06, Yellow[arnc] today is better than July was in 06. Maybe Best today isn't better than Stork was in 07 but Stork did win, after all.... Even if Korea sent Ruby + Yellow[arnc] + Best, would things really look that much easier for foreigners? Not in my opinion. And this is if disaster strikes and somehow none of Flash, Jaedong, Mind, Best, Kal, etc., manage to make it. Ruby/Yarnc/Free only look so/so because of the overall level of play now (at least in my opinion). | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Age old question for you. A+ +MH or Progamer??? | ||
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Last.Midnight
Australia906 Posts
inc likes mallcore. rek's token quotes are lame. inc follows bw closely. rek was a progamer. who to listen to? =[ | ||
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JudasT
Spain2226 Posts
Razer TSL winner vs Some progamer it would be amazing ! | ||
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snowbird
Germany2044 Posts
yep, 3$! | ||
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altered
Switzerland646 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
good luck | ||
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
On May 30 2008 20:48 snowbird wrote: i'm willing to bet 3$ that any given korean B-team player would crush the TSL winner in a BO7 with 4-0 or 4-1 yep, 3$! Pokju vs TSL winner could be interesting imo. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
Elky 2001 Fisheye 2003, Grrrr 3rd Androide 2005, Legionnaire 3rd PJ 2007, Mondragon 3rd In 00, 02, and 04 a foreigner took 3rd, NTT, Elky and Beast respectively. In 06 the koreans owned it up and took 1st,2nd,3rd. Chances are they'll rape it up this year if history repeats itself. The 06 lineup is the best they've sent, and if they send anything remotely close(IE guys like Flash, Jaedong, Best, Sea, Mind, Bisu) they will most likely rape it up. If they send guys like Up, Hwasin, Iris, foreigners might have a chance. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
we probably couldnt even have beaten oov july and whats his name back in 2006 with the skill we have today. | ||
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Beside_kr
Canada902 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
On May 31 2008 07:48 Guybrush wrote: Koreans let a foreigner get to the final every second year; Elky 2001 Fisheye 2003, Grrrr 3rd Androide 2005, Legionnaire 3rd PJ 2007, Mondragon 3rd In 00, and 02 a foreigner took 3rd, NTT and Elky respectively. In 04 and 06 the koreans owned it up and took 1st,2nd,3rd. Chances are they'll rape it up this year if history repeats itself. The 06 lineup is the best they've sent, and if they send anything remotely close(IE guys like Flash, Jaedong, Best, Sea, Mind, Bisu) they will most likely rape it up. If they send guys like Up, Hwasin, Iris, foreigners might have a chance. Lol | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
On May 29 2008 01:02 Ancestral wrote: Although many of the players debating here are far better than I, in fact several are foreign gosus, I feel like some of them that foreigners aren't going to take this WCG. In fact, there's only one name that stands a chance I think, and that chance is 100%. + Show Spoiler + Are you sure you want to know?+ Show Spoiler + This will blow your mind.+ Show Spoiler + Actually, it's the obvious answer...+ Show Spoiler + See if you can guess!?+ Show Spoiler + Kang Min Haha nice spoiler, but he needs to get the rusts off. His mechanics won't cut it atm... | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On May 31 2008 11:10 Beside_kr wrote: in 04 Beast from Bulgaria took 3rd Guybrush. Right, thanks. | ||
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