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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 03:23:41
May 19 2008 03:17 GMT
#1
WCG 2008 in Cologne Germany will be the first WCG since foreigners on a mass scale have had access to LAN latency. Yes, we had hamachi. No, leagues did not implement hamachi nor did a ladder utilize the setting (to the scale we have now for sure, but I would argue the tiny percentage isn't even worth noting otherwise). This will mark a solid year that the entire foreigner gaming scene has been saturated with LAN latency via both ICCUP, private games but also the normalization of using CHAOS plugin for league, tourney and other types of games.

What does this mean? This means the advantage koreans held over us will be reduced. They go through years of playing offline events with practicing for the most part with other gamers in their house or at the local pc bang. This will be the first year we as foreigners can claim that for the most part (the best to our ability) we have recreated that. Sure the level of gamers we have trained with are significantly worse than the koreans but that is non unique. I am talking about a factor that didnt exist before now existing and how that benefits us as a gaming community.

An additional factor is the inclusion of key nations. With the Netherlands and other countries considering a WCG we have access to players that are top quality and especially driven that we never would have had in the past like Ret, Haypro and others. I would also add that with TSL running this close to WCG Draco will be in better shape than he was the previous year and a strong Protoss on these maps (especially with Draco's potential) can mean big things for the foreigners. Couple that with the fact that WCG is in Cologne, Germany which I think increases the chances of a WCG being held for all the european nations and we have a better player base this year.

The maps favor non koreans over koreans (like they do every year imo). Python/Bluestorm being the only real maps they will have any kind of interest in leaving Peaks/Tau/Gaia to be on our side. This is mentioned every year and doesn't pan out that much but I would contend with the compiling factors it starts to add up.

Korea has stagnated. They sent Savior, Hwasin and Stork to WCG 2007. Savior was thought of as some unmovable monster. Hwasin was going to destroy everyone and meet him in the finals. Stork was a strong protoss but nobody ever really thought he'd do anything. Well Stork had to slay hwasin and Savior lost to Mondragon/Pj (even with map imbalance favoring Savior vs Mondragon). Stork struggled with WhiteRa and his own lack of intelligence. The key issue here is none of them really looked untouchable. Stork turned it on in the finals but he very well could have been caught with his pants down due to his pride/arrogance against WhiteRa. That was then though. I would argue that Korea save for Flash lacks the super weapon they have had in the past. That being said players of Flash's level aren't even guranteed to make it out. Players like Boxer, Nada and others have in their prime failed to make a WCG (note: yes they HAVE quali'd but they have also failed). Korean WCG is a crackpot. Their level ofplay has evened out so a clear winner is almost impossible to predict. Even if you disagree you would have to agree that at the very least their is a better chance this year that at least 1 maybe 2 will sneak in that nobody would suspect. Don't agree? State 2-3 players you can give a strong percentage to that would make it this year. Jaedong, Flash and Mind would seem like nice picks huh? Just watch.

Lastly, the gaming level of non koreans is higher than it ever has been. I would argue, even in relation to koreans. We have never been closer to their skill (since koreans "took off" which is post 1999~2000 or so). Mondragon is in his best shape of recent history and with TSL backing into WCG I would contend his previous 3rd place finish would only act as a motivator for the ultimate prize now being a realistic goal for him. Draco has proven that at the drop of a hat he can retake the throne as one of the most dominant players and I think even he will be hard pressed to avoid this WCG given the shape he is in. Ret is one of the best foreigners. His TvZ and ZvT make him a real threat against anyone. Given more time and tougher training (TOT) he will be even more scary. Strelok/WhiteRa have never been as good as they are now. Especially Strelok, he just won ASUS (Debut) and is winning tourneys almost weekly. I could go on but my point is that the foreigner gaming base is not consolidated into a Testie, Mondragon, Draco but rather spread out with Dreiven, Nony, JF, Strelok, Mondragon etc etc being all around that level we have more players of that potential with MORE of a chance to take advantage of a easy bracket or a arrogant korean (note: this does not mean koreans are arrogant but rather they may have never heard of a "nony" and then suddenly they are down a game and have to climb back up vs a confident top tier protoss who has trained like a boxer for the past 6 months). We also have a player in korea training with IdrA. He will be participating in USA WCG and if he doesn't make it out that just means the level of gaming HERE is so high that even the token white professional couldn't hack it with the level being so high. I think he very well could but this is just a signifier of either way, it being a good thing for us as a community.

My prediction is completely speculative and only serves the purpose of 1. establishing my prediction so I can look like a genius when it comes true and 2. start a discussion.

1. Two of the top 3 in WCG will be non-koreans. Big woop? We had that happen this year. Sure, but I am predicting what nobody did last year and I think a repeat will be more epic.

2. For the first time a WCG winner will be from a country that isn't Korea.

3.This will be the last WCG with SCBW on the ticket. Korea will have to sit and stew on their greatest defeat.
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Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
May 19 2008 03:21 GMT
#2
I agree with 1 and 3; however, not 2.

Nice article incontrol.
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
May 19 2008 03:22 GMT
#3
#3 makes me sad.

This is a very bold prediction. I think it is very possible, but I don't have the balls to explicitly predict it. I still think Korea will take gold.
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MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 03:29:37
May 19 2008 03:25 GMT
#4
As long as there's a broodwar proleaguein korea it think broodwar still has a shot to be played in wcg 09'. ( i mean free medals for korea is always good right?...)

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Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
May 19 2008 03:30 GMT
#5
woah, I was about to make a similar thread o_o

I agree 100%, there is a high chance that a non-korean will win this time around. I'll elaborate more later.
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tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
May 19 2008 03:33 GMT
#6
And what happens if this theory is completely mauled?
haha
but yeah i couldn't agree with you more. Every foreigner is just simply fucking good these days, monstrously. it brings tears to my eyes.
MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 03:35:09
May 19 2008 03:34 GMT
#7
can flash go to WCG?, well i think it depends on the koreans progamers they sent.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
May 19 2008 03:38 GMT
#8
On May 19 2008 12:22 mikeymoo wrote:
#3 makes me sad.


With you arguing, it makes it seem like it's obvious that it's going to happen. >.>
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lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
May 19 2008 03:40 GMT
#9
Isnt this said every year?... Sure we might be stronger then before but if the koreans care to practice we srill wil be stomped ..
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13426 Posts
May 19 2008 03:42 GMT
#10
Stork was throwing the games vs Ra.

I have to disagree here Inc. Looking at how a guy like Idra is struggling (one of the top foreign players right now) suggests a standard Korea win.

I'll agree that there is a greater chance of a foreigner doing something abnormal (i.e winning), but my money is still on whoever the Koreans send.

I hope a foreigner wins, but I doubt it's going to happen.
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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21550 Posts
May 19 2008 03:46 GMT
#11
4. Once TSL takes off, no one will care about WCG. :p

I hope you're right about 1&2.
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iNCuBuS_
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States905 Posts
May 19 2008 04:01 GMT
#12
Very interesting read incontrol. And I do have a gut feeling that this could be the year a non-korean wins the BW championship.
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
May 19 2008 04:02 GMT
#13
If Flash qualifies, I can't see anyone stopping him. Elite foreign Terrans are harder to come by. It will be much harder for foreigners to prepare themselves for a monster terran.
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
May 19 2008 04:05 GMT
#14
lol

yeah if they send flash it is sort of like an instant win right now.

no seriously don't fuck with flash right now, you don't want to be that man.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44122 Posts
May 19 2008 04:18 GMT
#15
You make a good argument and I agree with most the points. However, while everything is in our favour, you simply cannot argue with skill. They have more of it. I believe this'll be the closest WCG I've seen but I do not believe we will win.
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Binky1842
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States2599 Posts
May 19 2008 04:24 GMT
#16
i have a feeling they'll take away sc too, even though sc drew the biggest crowds every day in seattle
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
May 19 2008 04:24 GMT
#17
BRAT_OK please =D
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 19 2008 04:26 GMT
#18
I hope flash comes to WCG so we get to see some of his reps. I want to know the secret behind his monstrosity.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
May 19 2008 04:33 GMT
#19
On May 19 2008 13:26 infinity21 wrote:
I hope flash comes to WCG so we get to see some of his reps. I want to know the secret behind his monstrosity.


What if Flash = X
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leviathan400
Profile Joined November 2006
United Kingdom393 Posts
May 19 2008 04:38 GMT
#20
i realy hope BW does not leave WCG yet!
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