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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 07:32:31
May 19 2008 07:07 GMT
#41
On May 19 2008 12:46 SonuvBob wrote:
4. Once TSL takes off, no one will care about WCG. :p

not even close

if TSL is still around next year then it will certainly help ease some of the pain though. *some*

PS. i know you probably only intended for this to be taken 50% seriously
you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
May 19 2008 07:16 GMT
#42
On May 19 2008 16:07 a-game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2008 12:46 SonuvBob wrote:
4. Once TSL takes off, no one will care about WCG. :p

not even close

if TSL is still around next year then it will certainly help ease some of the pain though. *some*


I find your lack of faith disturbing!
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
May 19 2008 07:18 GMT
#43
Well my view is this. If this is/could be the last WCG for starcraft i hope that:

a) Every good foreigner practise for this event like crazy to make it one hell of a show
b) All who attend the event prepare something big to show our respect and love for the game (signs / go batshit crazy with cheers and screams / a big ass banner?)
c) Keep it a secret to the koreans that it could be the last wcg for starcraft :D

All in all whoever wins we should really pump some tought into this and end the wcg with a bang.
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
May 19 2008 07:25 GMT
#44
I really don't see how you think foreigners are closing the gap.

Pros still practice 5 times as much, and the pro skill level seems to me to be increasing with no sign of stopping. The top 5-10 foreign players have stayed the same for years, while the top 5-10 pros are constantly changing. Although the TSL has been great, the overall skill gap is still very evident in my mind.
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
May 19 2008 07:25 GMT
#45
On May 19 2008 16:16 H_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2008 16:07 a-game wrote:
On May 19 2008 12:46 SonuvBob wrote:
4. Once TSL takes off, no one will care about WCG. :p

not even close

if TSL is still around next year then it will certainly help ease some of the pain though. *some*


I find your lack of faith disturbing!

haha, sorry. i got lots of faith in our boys - but murphy's law has taught me to never count my chickens before they hatch
you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
May 19 2008 07:30 GMT
#46
Depends on the players, obviously. I don't think any foreigner can even come close to touching Jaedong and Flash right now.
Oh, my eSports
Holylight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Korea (South)460 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 07:31:31
May 19 2008 07:30 GMT
#47
#1 is very possible like we have seen from last year.
#3 might also be the truth, since no one actually knows how the reaction will be with SC2

However I disagree with #2 since a korean has won the WCG every single time so far and people have been saying before that "a foreigner will win this year". However it hasn't happened and I don't see it happening this year either.

Oh and if someone like Flash goes to WCG theres a good chance he will utterly destroy every foreigner in his path
BrutalMenace
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1237 Posts
May 19 2008 07:35 GMT
#48
I disagree with #2. Koreans will dominate just like every other year. No matter how close the gap may seem it is still pretty wide. Although it is a BO3 so i guess anything can happen.
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 07:40:56
May 19 2008 07:40 GMT
#49
Sure, there might be upsets, but it won't prove what some of us may be really hoping -- that some foreigners can play at the level of progamers in Korea. Would any foreigner consistently beat any progamer? I highly doubt that PJ would beat Savior in a bo5 (maybe not at his current slump though, O_O my confidence in savior is no more). Besides, when PJ beat savior, wasn't it on old maps that savior probably hadn't practiced for ages? If some foreigner were to win the WCG, it'd be a very rare event with a exponentially small probability. The training and attention that progamers get do not compare to foreigner experience.

The thing about latency changer -- sure, foreigners have had more practice on LAN games, but does that make that much of a difference vs. progamers? Progamers practice on LAN 24-7. If anything, they'll be like "finally I can play an opponent who can micro". It may give foreigners an edge, but to progamers that edge won't make them even flinch.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 19 2008 07:48 GMT
#50
Listen people need to stop saying names of korean progamers and go "they could never lose." We have had said level gamers and they have all lost at least a game. I am arguing factors that are increasing the propensity for these events to happen which in my arguments leads to the greatest evidence of a foreigner champion. People can say "this has been predicted before" all they want but that is not refuting my unique arguments for why this is a special time, not just a random assertion by some ignorant person.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 19 2008 08:09 GMT
#51
losing a game is one thing

losing a series is another

I just dont see it happening this year, there is still too big a gap in mechanics
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
May 19 2008 08:11 GMT
#52
how did this become a featured thread

but the topic is really making me look forward to WCG this year. I think foreigner's play has picked up greatly, but so too has Koreans. I'd say the odds are very much in the Koreans' favor
blabberrrrr
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
May 19 2008 08:33 GMT
#53
I think incontrol knows what he's talking about.
The first step though is getting rid of this preconception about the skill difference. I think if foreigners prepare correctly it will work.

TSL is also lowering the nervousness issue.
SouL.EateR
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada30 Posts
May 19 2008 08:37 GMT
#54
they shud just send the top 3 players, and guarentee the wcg gold, (T)Flash, (P)Stork, (Z)Jaedong
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
May 19 2008 09:23 GMT
#55
Great article!

If surely the general gaming level has increased, this won't mean that we would have players able to fight the Korean. I personally think that Draco and Mondragon will be the only guys who could counter the Korean players unless mass gaming in Korean allow Idra to come up with what he hasn't showed yet -> talent. But i doubt he will.

Draco was one of the best non korean before Korea, now he is the absolute best P outside there and likely the best non korean gamer in general. He is showing his ridiculous superiority in TSL (sorry White-ra i love you too but he was just kidding vs you in the recent serie), none can really counter him and this will be clear to everyone once he beat Nony and then IF/Brat. His gaming abilities are just too much for everyone else.

Other non korean hopes i believe are in Mondragon, who beside losing unexpecteddly to Dreiven has still a great potential, especially in an era where there are so many P players.

Strelok and the other guys are really good players but you can't cope with people who does this for living. Only one of "us" can, the one who did this for living for at least 6 months, read Krzysztof Draco Nalepka.

I saw his face after loosing in the last 2 WGC final and i tell you one thing, this won't happen again. The polish will begin his redemption winning the TSL.

Anyway, i agree with you as far as the two will be Draco and Mondi.

The FLAGS of our game! ;-)
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
May 19 2008 10:29 GMT
#56
I do not know but i think if a foreigner to win the wcg, i will pick JF, Draco is well known in korea imo, they won't underestimate him but i'm pretty sure that they did not know anything about JF.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 11:32:53
May 19 2008 11:32 GMT
#57
If an upset is going to happen at WCG, there has to be some ridiculous brackets going on. Something like... Korean #1 meeting Korean #2 meeting each other early on and then Korean #3 knocking out Korean #2 in semi finals.

And THEN the only foreigners I believe have a real chance of taking a Bo3 are JF, Draco, Mondragon and Nony, This is all assuming of course that they don't send Flash or Jaedong.
2BearqLoza
Profile Joined December 2007
134 Posts
May 19 2008 13:05 GMT
#58
On May 19 2008 17:37 SouL.EateR wrote:
they shud just send the top 3 players, and guarentee the wcg gold, (T)Flash, (P)Stork, (Z)Jaedong



I have to agree....
Stork took gold last year.... Jaedong ran over Stork after WCG, and Flash ran over Jaedong....
I dont think any non Korean gamer can beat Stork in finals, and I think there is NO WAY any non Korean gamer can beat Jaedong or Flash.....
If they take 1 game from flash, they can be veeeery happy...... Kid is just TOO good........ Last 17 games he played, he lost only 2. He raped Stork, Bisu, Anytime, Jaedong, and many others.....
Last WCG Koreans showed dominance..... when we were looking their games, we could see the difference. And after that WCG, Jaedong and Flash raised the level of games even higher......
Good luck............
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17732 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 13:29:50
May 19 2008 13:15 GMT
#59
On May 19 2008 14:31 [X]Ken_D wrote:
I forgot about the LAN Latency. When I notice that the TSL replays look like semi-pro games I thought it was just the quality of the players. LAN setting makes a HUGEEE difference.

MasterOfChaos deserves to be include in Starcraft wikipedia for his Latency Changer. It's revolutionary because it finally allows people to play at their fullest potential with people around the world instead of limiting to LAN.

i agree about how awesome moc is but i disagree about the replays looking like semi-pros. Korean amateurs yes but semi-pro is stretching it.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 13:33:52
May 19 2008 13:22 GMT
#60
On May 19 2008 22:05 2BearqLoza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2008 17:37 SouL.EateR wrote:
they shud just send the top 3 players, and guarentee the wcg gold, (T)Flash, (P)Stork, (Z)Jaedong


Last WCG Koreans showed dominance..... when we were looking their games, we could see the difference. And after that WCG, Jaedong and Flash raised the level of games even higher......
Good luck............


Wat? Imo, koreans struggled hardest in WCG 2007, Pj vs Savior, Stork is about to lose 2nd game in final, as Pj attacked really poorly in his natural, only 1 Korean in Semi-Final, i am pretty sure that this is not a dominance.
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