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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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imsupervisor1
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rwala
279 Posts
On January 29 2020 09:38 Nakajin wrote: Nah, guys like Steven A Smith get payed millions to shout conspiration theory nonesense on sports TV. He pretty much insult 4 person every day. Not that I'm particularly happy with that, but at some point we all colectively need to chill, I don't think anyone here has enough interest in this case to ask for somebody to lose his income. I've watched enough sports to know that Steven A Smith is the exception, not the rule. And he's an incredibly controversial figure (for good reason). Everyone coming to Nate's defense or shouting at nerds to be shut up and be apathetic is fixated on the more extreme thing about him losing his income. What about the simpler concept of hoping for a genuine apology for comments that he even admits were wrong? On the income thing, I'll say what I know plenty of folks in the community are thinking. The caster and commentator gigs are limited and there are a ton of super talented established and aspiring casters and commentators out there. I'm not sure why we feel like certain casters get a free pass to say disrespectful, rude things about players whose games they will inevitably be casting. They aren't entitled to these gigs. And personally I want to support casters, streamers, commentators who can maintain some degree of respect and professionalism on and off the desk. Calling for the end of Nate's career is definitely disproportionate and ridiculous. Personally, I'd be sad to see him step back because he has a lot to offer. But let's be clear: this controversy is because of what he said and how he's handling it. Not because people are calling him out for it. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On January 29 2020 10:10 rwala wrote: I've watched enough sports to know that Steven A Smith is the exception, not the rule. And he's an incredibly controversial figure (for good reason). Everyone coming to Nate's defense or shouting at nerds to be shut up and be apathetic is fixated on the more extreme thing about him losing his income. What about the simpler concept of hoping for a genuine apology for comments that he even admits were wrong? On the income thing, I'll say what I know plenty of folks in the community are thinking. The caster and commentator gigs are limited and there are a ton of super talented established and aspiring casters and commentators out there. I'm not sure why we feel like certain casters get a free pass to say disrespectful, rude things about players whose games they will inevitably be casting. They aren't entitled to these gigs. And personally I want to support casters, streamers, commentators who can maintain some degree of respect and professionalism on and off the desk. Calling for the end of Nate's career is definitely disproportionate and ridiculous. Personally, I'd be sad to see him step back because he has a lot to offer. But let's be clear: this controversy is because of what he said and how he's handling it. Not because people are calling him out for it. I can understand that. At the end the day I whish there was somekind of regulatory body to solve these kind of dispute (with a fine for exemple) instead of always making it on the Internet. | ||
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LTCM
174 Posts
On January 29 2020 09:07 Charoisaur wrote: broken for years? At most they've been broken for 1 year and since Lambo had his best year actually in 2018 when Zerg was considered to be balanced I don't see how the term Patchzerg fits to him. Zerg balanced in 2018.... What do you do, smoke and drink all day? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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terribleplayer1
95 Posts
For most of 2018 (after OL drop nerf) only 1 Zerg won premiers, he had the most finals vs Protoss, we had great racial distribution in nearly every tournament, maybe Zerg was a bit weak in Korea, and Terran a bit weak outside of Korea, but seriously 2018 was one of the most balanced years of SC2 we have ever had if not the most, if 2018 wasnt balanced literally no year was. People are really delusional when it comes to balance jeez. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Let him and Lambo figure out if they hate or like eachother but what does anything have to do with Nate's casting ability... He says Lambo insults him constantly too so there is obviously some longer drama between them. And the irony of complaining about personal attacks but calling someone the new Avilo... | ||
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Comedy
456 Posts
On January 29 2020 10:45 terribleplayer1 wrote: If starcraft 2 wasn't balanced in 2018, it was never ever ever close to balanced, and some race was always incredibly overpowered. For most of 2018 (after OL drop nerf) only 1 Zerg won premiers, he had the most finals vs Protoss, we had great racial distribution in nearly every tournament, maybe Zerg was a bit weak in Korea, and Terran a bit weak outside of Korea, but seriously 2018 was one of the most balanced years of SC2 we have ever had if not the most, if 2018 wasnt balanced literally no year was. People are really delusional when it comes to balance jeez. it's insane man. It makes me lose faith in people. 2018 was the year maru won everything in KR and Serral won everything in EU. It was when carriers weren't nerfed yet and protoss late game was looking really strong against zerg (no infested terran upgrades yet etc.) The only zerg in the world who was able to do anything at all was Serral, and maybe rogue to a lesser extent. 2018 was a really good balance year, like you said zerg was strong in eu (cuz of serral) and weak in kr (for whatever reason), but here we are, apparently there are many people like nathanias who really believe in what they preach.. apparantly zerg has been overpowered for all these years. There was a long long period where zerg hadn't won a GSL in Korea since life in 2015 or something like that. Zerg was definitely overpowered because of the nydus in 2019, and it lasted maybe 5 or 6 months, but other than that not really at all during Lotv. There was a period in 2017 where people considered hydras overpowered but that was nerfed after a few months as well after 2017 blizzcon. Zerg didn't win GSL that year.. mind-blowing the way people apparently perceive reality. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25031 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25031 Posts
Or Denver, or whoever really. Just don’t do it on Twitter? Artosis does slate players, notably Patience but he always does it in a ‘this guy is playing like an idiot, but he’s winning, maybe he knows something we don’t’ manner. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25031 Posts
On January 29 2020 09:38 Nakajin wrote: Nah, guys like Steven A Smith get payed millions to shout conspiration theory nonesense on sports TV. He pretty much insult 4 person every day. Not that I'm particularly happy with that, but at some point we all colectively need to chill, I don't think anyone here has enough interest in this case to ask for somebody to lose his income. Competive physical sports are something different though. End of the day you still have to perform, and be judged accordingly, which is largely fair enough. eSports is a bit different with different races or heroes or whatever. I mean I guess the equivalent in sports commentary would be saying Roger Federer would be trash if he played with a different racquet. Or in this instance not Roger Federer but some like top 32 player. Which would be grossly unfair and stupid to the player in question. | ||
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LTCM
174 Posts
On January 29 2020 10:45 terribleplayer1 wrote: If starcraft 2 wasn't balanced in 2018, it was never ever ever close to balanced, and some race was always incredibly overpowered. For most of 2018 (after OL drop nerf) only 1 Zerg won premiers, he had the most finals vs Protoss, we had great racial distribution in nearly every tournament, maybe Zerg was a bit weak in Korea, and Terran a bit weak outside of Korea, but seriously 2018 was one of the most balanced years of SC2 we have ever had if not the most, if 2018 wasnt balanced literally no year was. People are really delusional when it comes to balance jeez. So Zerg won 9 top tier tourements compared to 4 for Terran and 2 for protoss but they weren't OP? | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
Agree he was unprofessional but as far as news goes this is pretty minor from what I see | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25031 Posts
On January 29 2020 11:33 LTCM wrote: So Zerg won 9 top tier tourements compared to 4 for Terran and 2 for protoss but they weren't OP? Zerg have some pretty good players. Also Protoss have won the least and there was crazy Protoss whine around Super Tournament 1 period last year regardless. | ||
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agripsss
37 Posts
On January 29 2020 04:09 geokilla wrote: This started yesterday with Nathanias attacking professional players and constantly balance whining on his stream. It's gotten so bad he's honestly Avilo 2.0 at this point. http://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/1221850643884843008?s=19 And then we get this from Nathanias this morning: http://twitter.com/nathanias/status/1222182614749958144?s=19 Nathanias should honestly lose his spot as a commentator and analyst for SC2. The occasional whine is fine but he goes as far as to personally attacking professional players and shitting on the game. We don't need him when we have so many other casters available. He's basically acting like Avilo. He needs to get his mental health checked. It's no joke. Edit: I mean the last line as that the way he talks and rants about it and then engaging on Twitter suggests there's an underlying issue. I don't mean it in a derogatory way. I apologize for the misunderstanding. I know quite a few people who have some mental health issues and it's no joke. The anxiety and sudden emotional changes they go through is serious. is teh actual game not fun enough for you..... drama queen | ||
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Comedy
456 Posts
On January 29 2020 11:33 LTCM wrote: So Zerg won 9 top tier tourements compared to 4 for Terran and 2 for protoss but they weren't OP? Serral won 6 events.. all WCS events + GSL vs the world + WCG Global finals. (Only one of these events had a ZvZ final - the last WCS event when reynor was first allowed to participate.) Rogue won IEM Katowice, Maru won 3 GSL's Stats and Classic won the super tournament in 2018. A zerg didn't even make it to the finals that year in Korea. Super tournament finals were PvP both times, GSL finals were TvP(2) and TvT(1). How are you getting to 9 top tier tournaments? When 6 out of 7 were won by serral because he was the greatest player of that era by far that has very little do to with zerg being overpowered. Zerg performed weak af in Korea that year. Stop fooling yourself. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
It's what happens when people only remember how many players won championships, and forget about all the arguments and discussions at the time about the completely absurd ZvT and ZvP winrates. Maru being a god and protoss winning the super tournaments is enough to make up for it in the eyes of history apparently. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
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