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On January 29 2020 04:09 geokilla wrote:This started yesterday with Nathanias attacking professional players and constantly balance whining on his stream. It's gotten so bad he's honestly Avilo 2.0 at this point. http://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/1221850643884843008?s=19And then we get this from Nathanias this morning: http://twitter.com/nathanias/status/1222182614749958144?s=19Nathanias should honestly lose his spot as a commentator and analyst for SC2. The occasional whine is fine but he goes as far as to personally attacking professional players and shitting on the game. We don't need him when we have so many other casters available. He's basically acting like Avilo. He needs to get his mental health checked. It's no joke.
Just cuz someone speaks his mind he needs to be flammed? What Nate said is true, zerg is easy to play, lambo isnt that great of a player compared to other pros thats the truth deal with it.
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You guys understand if this happened in pro sports, that person wouldn't have a job right? There's trash talk, and then there's personal attacks.
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It's a bit ironic, all these terran apologist bringing up the "thin skinned" and then I read this kind of generic apologies "I have a shitty behavior since x years because anxiety", it's crazy how in the anglosaxon world everything might be forgivable because of anxiety. Eeveryone has it, it isn't a justification for anything.
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Everyone here calling for Nate to lose his job are cynical opportunists who want to use some little drama to remove a beloved member of the SC community. You people are spoiled children who would rather feed your petty hatred for Nate than enjoy Starcraft. Stay mad nerds.
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On January 29 2020 07:18 MatteDaemon wrote:
People that immediately think statements like Nathanias's deserve firing over are low-lives.
How many of you have ever considered maybe you're exceptionally thin-skinned?
As pathetic as I think many of you are, it's more pathetic seeing Nathanias apparently kowtow when called out on it.
Maybe he would've apologized on his own. Maybe he wouldn't have. What's it to you?
I really like that arguement, if I hit someone "lightly" by my definition it would be very overly sensitive of that person to prosecute me for battery wouldn't it, totally out of line.
Sorry but you don't get to define what is "acceptable" verbal assault, maybe you are exceptionally thick skinned. Should everyone have to endure the same as you just because you are thick skinned? Imagine if the opposite was true or if we were talking about physical assault and endurance of pain.
I think this drama is overblown but I also don't believe Nathanias is the type of person I want to represent the game. Do you think its good for the community and health of the game to have a caster and host publically talk shit about players and the balance of the game. Imagine a soccer caster started openly claiming one of the players were using doping.... Without proof, should he lose his job? Yeah probably because its a bad look on him, the sport and everything around it.
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On January 29 2020 08:05 geokilla wrote:
You guys understand if this happened in pro sports, that person wouldn't have a job right? There's trash talk, and then there's personal attacks.
No, they don't. You're actually onto something interesting here. Many in the SC2 community desperately want more respect within the e-sports community, and are in constant fear of the dedgaem prophecy coming true....but aren't willing to uphold the basic norms of professionalism that are essential for any pro scene to survive, let alone thrive.
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This is pretty hilarious to me. What is it with this "Someone said something stupid let's ruin their entire life" nonsense? Come on. I understand if you don't like him. I'm not a fan of Nathanias. Nothing against him personally, just not my cup of tea. He's put more time, energy, and passion into this scene than most people at this point. He shouldn't say what he's saying, should apologize, and not make these kinds of comments in the future. But ruining the life he's built? lmfao. come on.
I know it's 2020 now and times have changed but the level of trash talk we had back in the early / mid 2000's, and especially the early SC2 scene (2010-2011) make this look like the most tame thing in the world. Cut the guy a break. He didn't threaten to utilize a tire iron in a grotesque way or anything.
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On January 29 2020 08:05 geokilla wrote:
You guys understand if this happened in pro sports, that person wouldn't have a job right? There's trash talk, and then there's personal attacks.
You understand that in some cultures personal attacks result in duels to the death.
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I was hoping he'd get ousted from the community more just because I think he's really annoying and am tired of hearing his bitching. Hopefully he does this six or seven more times and we can be done with him
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On January 29 2020 08:40 gophersnake wrote:
I was hoping he'd get ousted from the community more just because I think he's really annoying and am tired of hearing his bitching. Hopefully he does this six or seven more times and we can be done with him
That's the problem with your statements. You come here to talk about someone you already find "annoying" and that you think "bitches a lot".
You just jumped on the hate train the first chance you had. Should someone loose is job because of one comment?? Hum??
This is esports, it is not politics.
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On January 29 2020 07:51 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2020 07:34 rwala wrote:On January 29 2020 07:27 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:
Nathanias has always been a a d-bag and a crap commentator. However, he is free to say whatever he wants. The day we start punishing people for speech is the day we've ended as a species It's not a "punishment" to call someone out. No one has the right to say stupid stuff and expect everyone to silently accept it. Similarly, my understanding is that these casting and commentating gigs are contract gigs that are often negotiated tourney-by-tourney. If that's the case, no one has a right to a future contract, and it's not a punishment to refuse to give someone a contract if you feel there's someone else better suited to the gig. Whenever someone says dumb stuff, people come out to defend it on "free speech" grounds. But the concept just doesn't apply here. No one has a right to a contract period. A contract is that, a contract. When its up, its up. If someone wants to make a new one with you they can or they cant' People like you or me don't get to decide that, the two parties do. Grow up
Right. So I think you agree that it's not "punishment" for a tourney organizer to decide to go in a different direction and book different commentators and casters if that's what they want to do. And of course people like you and I don't get to decide that (never said otherwise). That is like literally by definition true because we aren't part of the negotiating parties. Not sure what point you're even trying to make here. FWIW, I think if Nate would have just straight up apologized, at least pretended to be genuine about it, and left it at that, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But given his approach, I'd honestly be quite surprised if this isn't impacting his career prospects. But that's on him. This is all because of how he has chosen to handle this.
p.s. I'm like 37 now, so I'm kinda grown up. Except that apparently I still post on computer game forums.
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he's mentally ill because he said something mean on stream??
Obviously he shouldn't say that as a caster and the discussion whether he should lose his job is legitimate but don't call someone mentally ill for something so minor, that's stupid
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I'm not sure why this is considered inflammatory. Unless you own stock in Bizzard, you probably shouldn't be pretending that 10+ years of results have happened solely as a product of the best non-Korean players all coincidentally choosing the same, specific race.
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On January 29 2020 07:27 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:
Nathanias has always been a a d-bag and a crap commentator. However, he is free to say whatever he wants. The day we start punishing people for speech is the day we've ended as a species
And lets not pretend he isn't slightly right. Zerg has a few of the best mechanical players, but a lot of what we might consider B-tier pros are only that way because they play a race that's been broken for years at this point.
broken for years? At most they've been broken for 1 year and since Lambo had his best year actually in 2018 when Zerg was considered to be balanced I don't see how the term Patchzerg fits to him.
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On January 29 2020 08:45 Tastyyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2020 08:40 gophersnake wrote:
I was hoping he'd get ousted from the community more just because I think he's really annoying and am tired of hearing his bitching. Hopefully he does this six or seven more times and we can be done with him That's the problem with your statements. You come here to talk about someone you already find "annoying" and that you think "bitches a lot". You just jumped on the hate train the first chance you had. Should someone loose is job because of one comment?? Hum?? This is esports, it is not politics.
Yes, that's what I am hoping for.
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On January 29 2020 05:18 Tastyyyy wrote:
He has already said that he is sorry for what he said and that he shouldn't have done it. Isn't that enough?
Besides he basically just agreed with a comment in twitch chat...can't he express his opinion?
You haters should keep your mouth shut and worry about your own life.
Wow. So Nathanias has the right to express his opinion but if we don't like it we are "haters" who should keep our "mouth shut"? Yes, he apologized, but it's about as close to #sorrynotsorry as an apology gets. My hope is that where this goes is a little bit of introspection from the guy, a genuine apology (sans excuses) to Lambo, Scarlett, and anyone else he personally attacked, and a commitment to try to do better. Pretty fair and reasonable result I think, and not that much to ask for.
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You sad nerds trying to make a thing of this, who gives a fuck
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@Geokilla you need a mental health check for stirring the pot.
You are trying to cause internet hysteria that a few morons will follow your lead on.
Not even news get over it
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On January 29 2020 08:05 geokilla wrote:
You guys understand if this happened in pro sports, that person wouldn't have a job right? There's trash talk, and then there's personal attacks.
Thank God this isn’t pro sports. When’s the draft and what’s the salary cap? I could wipe my ass for a lifetime if I printed all the posts from back in 2010-2012 wanting esports to be like televised sports.
Getting salty about other races and patchzergs or cannon rushers or whatever is part of esports life. Get used to it. If he lets it into his casting or takes it up to a worse level, he’ll just go back to being a streamer. I still don’t see any problem. I mean any problem other than gamers taking this kind of shit way too seriously.
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On January 29 2020 08:05 geokilla wrote:
You guys understand if this happened in pro sports, that person wouldn't have a job right? There's trash talk, and then there's personal attacks.
Nah, guys like Steven A Smith get payed millions to shout conspiration theory nonesense on sports TV. He pretty much insult 4 person every day. Not that I'm particularly happy with that, but at some point we all colectively need to chill, I don't think anyone here has enough interest in this case to ask for somebody to lose his income.
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