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On March 20 2018 06:52 TaardadAiel wrote:
I never imagined there would be such a bitter thread, ever. I guess I don't follow gaming forums too much.
Is it because of the money? $1k is not a lousy amount, but all this bickering over some guys picking (not arbitrarily) some other guys to basically give them money? Come on. I understand for most of the people involved BW is a passion, but is any of you making a living off the game?
I find the bitterness and primadonna attitude of people that have allegedly been around since forever even more amazing. I was TEN years old when BW came out. Even if some people entered the scene at a much later point, we're all in our late twenties/thirties. I seriously mean that as grow up. Please.
And I completely understand that both sides have valid points, but this is no excuse for such petty bickering over one event with eight players in it. That is not to say that most of the comments weren't civilized, but the whole thing is very... bitter and tense. I am, quite frankly, disappointed. If a casual viewer being disappointed actually means something.
This is fair. It is a bit bitter, I can agree with it.
I think the point really is, and I believe (ggzerg aka Telecom) said it best in some previous post ... but really, it's not about the money. Rather, it's about people in the "IN" crowd being selected (e.g. friends of schamatoo, Machine, etc). And I guess, at the end of the day, that's life. It is about who you know. #corporateamerica
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Bulgaria750 Posts
On March 20 2018 06:56 ProtossGG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 06:52 TaardadAiel wrote:
I never imagined there would be such a bitter thread, ever. I guess I don't follow gaming forums too much.
Is it because of the money? $1k is not a lousy amount, but all this bickering over some guys picking (not arbitrarily) some other guys to basically give them money? Come on. I understand for most of the people involved BW is a passion, but is any of you making a living off the game?
I find the bitterness and primadonna attitude of people that have allegedly been around since forever even more amazing. I was TEN years old when BW came out. Even if some people entered the scene at a much later point, we're all in our late twenties/thirties. I seriously mean that as grow up. Please.
And I completely understand that both sides have valid points, but this is no excuse for such petty bickering over one event with eight players in it. That is not to say that most of the comments weren't civilized, but the whole thing is very... bitter and tense. I am, quite frankly, disappointed. If a casual viewer being disappointed actually means something. This is fair. It is a bit bitter, I can agree with it. I think the point really is, and I believe (ggzerg aka Telecom) said it best in some previous post ... but really, it's not about the money. Rather, it's about people in the "IN" crowd being selected (e.g. friends of schamatoo, Machine, etc). And I guess, at the end of the day, that's life. It is about who you know. #corporateamerica
You're probably right. But then, I can't help but wonder - if so many people are disapproving of that "inner circle" and the way the NA scene works, how come there's been no alternative to said circle? No competition. Do these people have the means to monopolize somehow? I'm not even american, so maybe it's just a psychological blind spot to me, a culture thing, maybe. And yea, the only reason I decided to post in a thread about a strictly internal NA issue is that I saw it being on top, it was about a tournament, I decided there would be a nice little discussion about some nice games between good foreigners... well, that's not what it was. So maybe I have no right to argue here, but I mean it as the voice of a neutral bystander.
Anyway, I really hope some of the differences can be worked out. The foreign BW content and scene is a bit thin as it is, so it just seems counterproductive to have such a big argument instead of playing and/or creating more content, if you disapprove of the way certain people create events.
Good luck and g'nite all.
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On March 20 2018 06:56 ProtossGG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 06:52 TaardadAiel wrote:
I never imagined there would be such a bitter thread, ever. I guess I don't follow gaming forums too much.
Is it because of the money? $1k is not a lousy amount, but all this bickering over some guys picking (not arbitrarily) some other guys to basically give them money? Come on. I understand for most of the people involved BW is a passion, but is any of you making a living off the game?
I find the bitterness and primadonna attitude of people that have allegedly been around since forever even more amazing. I was TEN years old when BW came out. Even if some people entered the scene at a much later point, we're all in our late twenties/thirties. I seriously mean that as grow up. Please.
And I completely understand that both sides have valid points, but this is no excuse for such petty bickering over one event with eight players in it. That is not to say that most of the comments weren't civilized, but the whole thing is very... bitter and tense. I am, quite frankly, disappointed. If a casual viewer being disappointed actually means something. This is fair. It is a bit bitter, I can agree with it. I think the point really is, and I believe (ggzerg aka Telecom) said it best in some previous post ... but really, it's not about the money. Rather, it's about people in the "IN" crowd being selected (e.g. friends of schamatoo, Machine, etc). And I guess, at the end of the day, that's life. It is about who you know. #corporateamerica
Go play in this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/532165-have-at-you-12-its-back-double-the-prizepool
Beat some notable people. Or win.
Right now, the only time I hear people talk about you is to say "SuGo is really bm".
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Thanks for the promo, Nina.
If you're looking to win an open, I host one next week. It's $200 prizepool starting and will happen every other week.
Some people in this thread keep saying "host an open if you don't want drama" and forget that Have At You and FilthyCup both got tons of drama over letting Scan in, and a bunch of random other things. So, I guess it's "host an open that is exactly how we like it" to those people.
I just want you all to have fun and have events you and I both love. It's all I'm looking to do. I love this game too much to stop, but god damn I'll complain about how hard some of the people in threads make this. Is it the whole community? No. It's my perception tho that threads like these make it seem like it is because, well, most of this thread is arguing. I think I'd hope people were a bit more self-conscience about bickering in threads on off-topic statements. If a large majority of a thread is arguing, and not even about the event itself, it does come off as "toxic". It's a "negative" thing to read.
Anyway, love you all, even if sometimes I wanna rip my hair out by reading threads. Thank you for tuning in and being engaged.
<3
Schamtoo
Edit: And I hope the random threats to not attend things I'm involved with isn't serious. However, if you all really want me out of the scene, I'll oblige. I don't want this scene to be punished because of my presence. I'll just spend more time finding new v-necks :D
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On March 20 2018 07:27 SchAmToo wrote:
Edit: And I hope the random threats to not attend things I'm involved with isn't serious. However, if you all really want me out of the scene, I'll oblige. I don't want this scene to be punished because of my presence. I'll just spend more time finding new v-necks :D
That was a well thought out post, and no, don't leave. The majority of us are extremely appreciate of what you do for the scene. Without you, Qikz, and ZZZero, there would be almost nothing left for the foreign Brood War players to do.
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On March 20 2018 07:27 SchAmToo wrote:
Thanks for the promo, Nina.
If you're looking to win an open, I host one next week. It's $200 prizepool starting and will happen every other week.
Some people in this thread keep saying "host an open if you don't want drama" and forget that Have At You and FilthyCup both got tons of drama over letting Scan in, and a bunch of random other things. So, I guess it's "host an open that is exactly how we like it" to those people.
I just want you all to have fun and have events you and I both love. It's all I'm looking to do. I love this game too much to stop, but god damn I'll complain about how hard some of the people in threads make this. Is it the whole community? No. It's my perception tho that threads like these make it seem like it is because, well, most of this thread is arguing. I think I'd hope people were a bit more self-conscience about bickering in threads on off-topic statements. If a large majority of a thread is arguing, and not even about the event itself, it does come off as "toxic". It's a "negative" thing to read.
Anyway, love you all, even if sometimes I wanna rip my hair out by reading threads. Thank you for tuning in and being engaged.
<3
Schamtoo
Edit: And I hope the random threats to not attend things I'm involved with isn't serious. However, if you all really want me out of the scene, I'll oblige. I don't want this scene to be punished because of my presence. I'll just spend more time finding new v-necks :D
No one wants you to leave. Incase it wasn't clear enough, players are tired of the same pool of guys getting free passes. Enough of the free passes already and run a real qualification event that turns into a real tourney that displays the real top players. Everyone has an equal opportunity, everyone wins. This also allows for new storylines to be made and allow old legends to fade away leaving room for new ones. Players shouldn't be allowed to carry a torch without having to earn it time and time again.
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On March 20 2018 07:27 SchAmToo wrote:
Thanks for the promo, Nina.
If you're looking to win an open, I host one next week. It's $200 prizepool starting and will happen every other week.
Some people in this thread keep saying "host an open if you don't want drama" and forget that Have At You and FilthyCup both got tons of drama over letting Scan in, and a bunch of random other things. So, I guess it's "host an open that is exactly how we like it" to those people.
I just want you all to have fun and have events you and I both love. It's all I'm looking to do. I love this game too much to stop, but god damn I'll complain about how hard some of the people in threads make this. Is it the whole community? No. It's my perception tho that threads like these make it seem like it is because, well, most of this thread is arguing. I think I'd hope people were a bit more self-conscience about bickering in threads on off-topic statements. If a large majority of a thread is arguing, and not even about the event itself, it does come off as "toxic". It's a "negative" thing to read.
Anyway, love you all, even if sometimes I wanna rip my hair out by reading threads. Thank you for tuning in and being engaged.
<3
Schamtoo
Edit: And I hope the random threats to not attend things I'm involved with isn't serious. However, if you all really want me out of the scene, I'll oblige. I don't want this scene to be punished because of my presence. I'll just spend more time finding new v-necks :D
Thank you for hosting these events, truly. I can't imagine anyone genuinely wants you out of the scene... So definitely don't leave ^_^
For every negative Nancy complaining endlessly on the forums there are at least 10 lurkers who watch & enjoy the content with no complaints. And in light of iNcontrol's remarks, I think it is imperative that those of us who don't post often (like myself) make an effort to post and offer words of support... I think that would go a long way toward clearing away the grey cloud of negativity that occasionally pervades threads like this.
Again, for emphasis - THANK YOU so much for contributing to the scene like you have. So many of us appreciate it immensely. And thanks as well to folks like iNcontrol and others who are trying to revitalize BW -- whether by hosting tournaments, engaging with Blizzard, etc.
Tournaments and their organizers are rarely perfect, but that's okay. We shouldn't expect that every tournament will be organized precisely how we want it, nor that every player we like will be invited/qualify. There is a line between constructive criticism and just needlessly shitting on things... As a community I hope we will make an effort to stick to the former.
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On March 20 2018 07:49 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 07:27 SchAmToo wrote:
Thanks for the promo, Nina.
If you're looking to win an open, I host one next week. It's $200 prizepool starting and will happen every other week.
Some people in this thread keep saying "host an open if you don't want drama" and forget that Have At You and FilthyCup both got tons of drama over letting Scan in, and a bunch of random other things. So, I guess it's "host an open that is exactly how we like it" to those people.
I just want you all to have fun and have events you and I both love. It's all I'm looking to do. I love this game too much to stop, but god damn I'll complain about how hard some of the people in threads make this. Is it the whole community? No. It's my perception tho that threads like these make it seem like it is because, well, most of this thread is arguing. I think I'd hope people were a bit more self-conscience about bickering in threads on off-topic statements. If a large majority of a thread is arguing, and not even about the event itself, it does come off as "toxic". It's a "negative" thing to read.
Anyway, love you all, even if sometimes I wanna rip my hair out by reading threads. Thank you for tuning in and being engaged.
<3
Schamtoo
Edit: And I hope the random threats to not attend things I'm involved with isn't serious. However, if you all really want me out of the scene, I'll oblige. I don't want this scene to be punished because of my presence. I'll just spend more time finding new v-necks :D No one wants you to leave. Incase it wasn't clear enough, players are tired of the same pool of guys getting free passes. Enough of the free passes already and run a real qualification event that turns into a real tourney that displays the real top players. Everyone has an equal opportunity, everyone wins. This also allows for new storylines to be made and allow old legends to fade away leaving room for new ones. Players shouldn't be allowed to carry a torch without having to earn it time and time again.
Well said. Even some of the players who have no interest in playing, like myself, want to see other deserving players (Aegyo, TT1, Sugo, Hawk, GoShox etc) get a chance to fight it out for some money.
Even if I don't understand the reasoning behind some of the actions Schamtoo and others made regarding the showmatch, I still appreciate him for casting/hosting these events and want to see him around in the future.
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On March 20 2018 07:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
No one wants you to leave. Incase it wasn't clear enough, players are tired of the same pool of guys getting free passes. Enough of the free passes already and run a real qualification event that turns into a real tourney that displays the real top players. Everyone has an equal opportunity, everyone wins. This also allows for new storylines to be made and allow old legends to fade away leaving room for new ones. Players shouldn't be allowed to carry a torch without having to earn it time and time again.
Just so you're actually aware, I compiled all of the biggest foreigner tournaments of 2017-2018 who attended from the invitee list (all from liquipedia because the foreign rank site http://prorm.webd.pl/rekin5/ shut down) and compared them to Beast/Sugo, whom are under the impression that there is some inner circle of people being picked instead of "the top players". Also note that the invited players all have at least one decent finish, where as Sugo/Beast have never obtained RO8 or above in these. There may be some inaccurate data here, as I tried to get everyones AKAS but if people were playing under an alias I'm unfamiliar with, they were not included for these tournaments.
If you want to be known as a top player and want to get invited for invitationals, the first thing you probably want to do before you throw fingers at people and make claims of them stuffing their friends pockets is... actually being good at the game. Everyone wants to make claims of how other people should've been invited, but we aren't seeing any actual names or reasons. On top of actually finishing well in at least one tournament, Kawairice, Michael, and Nyoken are people that attract viewers. I'm sure there is a lot more that goes into the selection of an invitational than just pure skill.
So find me the players who deserved to be in this tournament, because they sure as fuck aren't in this thread.
Invited players:
- Kawaiirice - ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2, ZOTACNA3, ZOTACNA4
- Sero - TLOpen1, TLOpen5, TLOpen7, ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2, ZOTACNA3, ZOTACNA4
- DragOn - TLOpen1, TLOpen2, TLOpen4, TLOpen5, ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2
- Ty2 - CFC4, CFC5, CFC6, CFC7, CFC8, CFC9, CFC10, CFC11, CFC12, CFChristmas, CFC14, CFC15, CFC16, TLOpen1, TLOpen2, TLOpen5, TLOpen7, HAY1, HAY2, HAY3, HAY4, HAY5, HAY6, HAY7, HAY8, HAY9, HAY10, HAY11, ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2, ZOTACNA3, ZOTACNA4
- UltrA - ZOTACSA1, ZOTACSA2
- Michael - TLOpen1, ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2
- Nyoken - HAY9, ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2, ZOTACNA3
- Jaeyun - ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2, ZOTACNA3, ZOTACNA4
Beast - TLOpen4, ZOTACNA1
Sugo - HAY3, HAY6, HAY8, HAY11
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On March 20 2018 07:15 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 06:56 ProtossGG wrote:On March 20 2018 06:52 TaardadAiel wrote:
I never imagined there would be such a bitter thread, ever. I guess I don't follow gaming forums too much.
Is it because of the money? $1k is not a lousy amount, but all this bickering over some guys picking (not arbitrarily) some other guys to basically give them money? Come on. I understand for most of the people involved BW is a passion, but is any of you making a living off the game?
I find the bitterness and primadonna attitude of people that have allegedly been around since forever even more amazing. I was TEN years old when BW came out. Even if some people entered the scene at a much later point, we're all in our late twenties/thirties. I seriously mean that as grow up. Please.
And I completely understand that both sides have valid points, but this is no excuse for such petty bickering over one event with eight players in it. That is not to say that most of the comments weren't civilized, but the whole thing is very... bitter and tense. I am, quite frankly, disappointed. If a casual viewer being disappointed actually means something. This is fair. It is a bit bitter, I can agree with it. I think the point really is, and I believe (ggzerg aka Telecom) said it best in some previous post ... but really, it's not about the money. Rather, it's about people in the "IN" crowd being selected (e.g. friends of schamatoo, Machine, etc). And I guess, at the end of the day, that's life. It is about who you know. #corporateamerica Go play in this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/532165-have-at-you-12-its-back-double-the-prizepoolBeat some notable people. Or win. Right now, the only time I hear people talk about you is to say "SuGo is really bm".
1) I work 100+ hours a week. Forgive me if I'd rather use my weekends to socialize with friends and family instead.
2) I'm not BM at all, so if you've heard that, it's wrong. You shouldn't take everything you hear to be true. Do you do that?
3) I don't care if I'm not in this anymore. I did the first day of the thread, but it is what it is now. If I'm not considered a top player by tournament admins, that's fine. I'm not losing any sleep at night. If you take note, OTHER people have been posting about me.
I've simply been posting because I do agree with the whole "inner-circle" concept. That's my opinion as it is others in this thread... it is a forum, we can have opinions. What you're saying to me is a bit irrelevant, though.
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On March 20 2018 08:12 ProtossGG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 07:15 ninazerg wrote:On March 20 2018 06:56 ProtossGG wrote:On March 20 2018 06:52 TaardadAiel wrote:
I never imagined there would be such a bitter thread, ever. I guess I don't follow gaming forums too much.
Is it because of the money? $1k is not a lousy amount, but all this bickering over some guys picking (not arbitrarily) some other guys to basically give them money? Come on. I understand for most of the people involved BW is a passion, but is any of you making a living off the game?
I find the bitterness and primadonna attitude of people that have allegedly been around since forever even more amazing. I was TEN years old when BW came out. Even if some people entered the scene at a much later point, we're all in our late twenties/thirties. I seriously mean that as grow up. Please.
And I completely understand that both sides have valid points, but this is no excuse for such petty bickering over one event with eight players in it. That is not to say that most of the comments weren't civilized, but the whole thing is very... bitter and tense. I am, quite frankly, disappointed. If a casual viewer being disappointed actually means something. This is fair. It is a bit bitter, I can agree with it. I think the point really is, and I believe (ggzerg aka Telecom) said it best in some previous post ... but really, it's not about the money. Rather, it's about people in the "IN" crowd being selected (e.g. friends of schamatoo, Machine, etc). And I guess, at the end of the day, that's life. It is about who you know. #corporateamerica Go play in this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/532165-have-at-you-12-its-back-double-the-prizepoolBeat some notable people. Or win. Right now, the only time I hear people talk about you is to say "SuGo is really bm". 1) I work 100+ hours a week. Forgive me if I'd rather use my weekends to socialize with friends and family instead. 2) I'm not BM at all, so if you've heard that, it's wrong. You shouldn't take everything you hear to be true. Do you do that? 3) I don't care if I'm not in this anymore. I did the first day of the thread, but it is what it is now. If I'm not considered a top player by tournament admins, that's fine. I'm not losing any sleep at night.
Don't feel bad, I respect ladder warriors a lot more than I do most tournament players. Not all of us have the time available to compete weekend after weekend in tournaments. Some people hold tournament winners in high regard, I hold ladder warriors with gosu stats and high rating in high regard. A bigger sample size of games always trumps a smaller sample size when determining ones skill.
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On March 20 2018 08:08 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 07:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
No one wants you to leave. Incase it wasn't clear enough, players are tired of the same pool of guys getting free passes. Enough of the free passes already and run a real qualification event that turns into a real tourney that displays the real top players. Everyone has an equal opportunity, everyone wins. This also allows for new storylines to be made and allow old legends to fade away leaving room for new ones. Players shouldn't be allowed to carry a torch without having to earn it time and time again.
Just so you're actually aware, I compiled all of the biggest foreigner tournaments of 2017-2018 who attended from the invitee list (all from liquipedia because the foreign rank site http://prorm.webd.pl/rekin5/ shut down) and compared them to Beast/Sugo, whom are under the impression that there is some inner circle of people being picked instead of "the top players". Also note that the invited players all have at least one decent finish, where as Sugo/Beast have never obtained RO8 or above in these. There may be some inaccurate data here, as I tried to get everyones AKAS but if people were playing under an alias I'm unfamiliar with, they were not included for these tournaments. If you want to be known as a top player and want to get invited for invitationals, the first thing you probably want to do before you throw fingers at people and make claims of them stuffing their friends pockets is... actually being good at the game. Everyone wants to make claims of how other people should've been invited, but we aren't seeing any actual names or reasons. On top of actually finishing well in at least one tournament, Kawairice, Michael, and Nyoken are people that attract viewers. I'm sure there is a lot more that goes into the selection of an invitational than just pure skill. So find me the players who deserved to be in this tournament, because they sure as fuck aren't in this thread.
Invited players:- Kawaiirice - ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2, ZOTACNA3, ZOTACNA4
- Sero - TLOpen1, TLOpen5, TLOpen7, ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2, ZOTACNA3, ZOTACNA4
- DragOn - TLOpen1, TLOpen2, TLOpen4, TLOpen5, ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2
- Ty2 - CFC4, CFC5, CFC6, CFC7, CFC8, CFC9, CFC10, CFC11, CFC12, CFChristmas, CFC14, CFC15, CFC16, TLOpen1, TLOpen2, TLOpen5, TLOpen7, HAY1, HAY2, HAY3, HAY4, HAY5, HAY6, HAY7, HAY8, HAY9, HAY10, HAY11, ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2, ZOTACNA3, ZOTACNA4
- UltrA - ZOTACSA1, ZOTACSA2
- Michael - TLOpen1, ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2
- Nyoken - HAY9, ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2, ZOTACNA3
- Jaeyun - ZOTACNA1, ZOTACNA2, ZOTACNA3, ZOTACNA4
Beast - TLOpen4, ZOTACNA1 Sugo - HAY3, HAY6, HAY8, HAY11
You seemed to miss the part where I never said other players should be included over some on the list. The ENTIRE THING should be open qual. Force players to continue to prove themself instead of this oldboys club, network circle jerk that constantly goes on(gets pretty old tbh and there are only so many ways you can spin that same damn storyline). You may want to read posts carefully before responding to someone that does not share the same stance with you.
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Norway28706 Posts
beautiful post faust.
and protossgg lol? you work 100+ hour weeks? You realize that this is 14-15 hours per day including saturday+sunday or 20 hours per day from monday to friday right? Doesn't really give you enough time to post on forums, socialize with friends or family, play enough bw to stay at a reasonably decent level, or participate in invite tournaments.
Anyway. People aren't going to be invited for tournaments if they don't put themselves out there for others to see how good they are. That much should be plainly obvious imo. It's not about 'networking and making sure you know the right people', it's about not being so insular and smurfy that only your own closest friends have any semblance of understanding of how good you actually are.
Final tidbit : I am really appreciative towards all brood war content creators. I love playing in this game, and I like playing tournaments a lot more than I like playing casual games or ladder or whatever. I think everybody who has been involved in the internet for a while should understand that mostly everything gets some negative feedback from some people, and should be accustomed to that. I also think on some occasions, the negative feedback has been entirely out of line and proportion. But it's not true that 'it's a toxic community negative towards everybody' or any variant thereof.
Zzzero has been hosting events for a couple months now. Aside from a couple players being a bit disappointed that he included sparkle in the bsl final map pool, I pretty much haven't seen a single negative response to anything he has done.
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That's a lot of overhead to run an open.
Not so much for an invitational.
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On March 20 2018 08:27 ReachTheSky wrote:
You seemed to miss the part where I never said other players should be included over some on the list. The ENTIRE THING should be open qual. Force players to continue to prove themself instead of this oldboys club, network circle jerk that constantly goes on. You may want to read posts carefully before responding to someone that does not share the same stance with you.
Dude, I read your post and I was pointing out the exact thing you're bitching about. Maybe you're the one who missed the point? Also, as hilarious as this is, THERE WAS an open qualifier tournament. It was called BSL, and Ty2, Jaeyun, and UltrA qualified. None of the players crying in this thread about some old boy club qualified... and yet you guys are advocating for a "open qual" tournament. I can't believe this is real, because it is so hilarious it is borderline sad.
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Every single big money tourneys since SCR launch have been casters friends invites only... of course everybody is mad.
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Norway28706 Posts
On March 20 2018 08:36 ppp87 wrote:
Every single big money tourneys since SCR launch has been casters friends invites only... of course everybody is mad.
the american zotac had 4 qualifier tournaments for north american players and two south american ones. Out of the 8 players in this tournament, 5 of them were taken from the 6 players who managed to qualify (and show up) during that process. The others (Ty2, Jaeyun and Sero) are players who all frequently participate in tournaments (ty2 and jaeyun both qualified for BSL-pro), who stream, and who are otherwise active and visible members of the community.
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On March 20 2018 08:33 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 08:27 ReachTheSky wrote:
You seemed to miss the part where I never said other players should be included over some on the list. The ENTIRE THING should be open qual. Force players to continue to prove themself instead of this oldboys club, network circle jerk that constantly goes on. You may want to read posts carefully before responding to someone that does not share the same stance with you.
Dude, I read your post and I was pointing out the exact thing you're bitching about. Maybe you're the one who missed the point? Also, as hilarious as this is, THERE WAS an open qualifier tournament. It was called BSL, and Ty2, Jaeyun, and UltrA qualified. None of the players crying in this thread about some old boy club qualified... and yet you guys are advocating for a "open qual" tournament. I can't believe this is real, because it is so hilarious it is borderline sad.
Actually you responded to me as if I was advocating for different players to be included over those that were. You proceeded to then make a list followed up with "So find me the players who deserved to be in this tournament, because they sure as fuck aren't in this thread." You are indeed missing the entire point. Enough of the invitationals already.
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On March 20 2018 08:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 08:36 ppp87 wrote:
Every single big money tourneys since SCR launch has been casters friends invites only... of course everybody is mad. the american zotac had 4 qualifier tournaments for north american players and two south american ones. Out of the 8 players in this tournament, 5 of them were taken from the 6 players who managed to qualify (and show up) during that process. The others (Ty2, Jaeyun and Sero) are players who all frequently participate in tournaments (ty2 and jaeyun both qualified for BSL-pro), who stream, and who are otherwise active and visible members of the community.
You are also missing the point where the community doesn't like the whole "pick and choose" players for an event thing. We want organic tournaments. Admins want to host a private event that is not open to the public/community? fine go ahead, keep it private and don't broadcast it. Otherwise all your are saying to the rest of the community is "look what you have no shot at playing in", "you can watch but you can't play".
All players should always have to earn their spots through a direct qualifier to play. The whole philosophy of "oh he/she did well in a previous tournament that has zero interconnection to whatever event is being ran so were gonna include him/her" is just an excuse to cherry pick.
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On March 20 2018 08:44 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 08:33 SCC-Faust wrote:On March 20 2018 08:27 ReachTheSky wrote:
You seemed to miss the part where I never said other players should be included over some on the list. The ENTIRE THING should be open qual. Force players to continue to prove themself instead of this oldboys club, network circle jerk that constantly goes on. You may want to read posts carefully before responding to someone that does not share the same stance with you.
Dude, I read your post and I was pointing out the exact thing you're bitching about. Maybe you're the one who missed the point? Also, as hilarious as this is, THERE WAS an open qualifier tournament. It was called BSL, and Ty2, Jaeyun, and UltrA qualified. None of the players crying in this thread about some old boy club qualified... and yet you guys are advocating for a "open qual" tournament. I can't believe this is real, because it is so hilarious it is borderline sad. Actually you responded to me as if I was advocating for different players to be included over those that were. You proceeded to then make a list followed up with "So find me the players who deserved to be in this tournament, because they sure as fuck aren't in this thread." You are indeed missing the entire point. Enough of the invitationals already.
faust's point is that the non-invitationals largely produces the same players as the invitationals do, at least for the US, because the players who are good enough to get invited but end up being overlooked all the time are also too busy to bother participating in qualifier tournaments.
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