Chibi Explanation - Page 21

On March 21 2007 16:56 Y3ahright wrote:
Thats post by you Cyric, Great work! I'm off bye now

On March 21 2007 17:04 Drowsy wrote:
20 pages in a day...? This breaks Adam's record I think. I didn't notice chibi much, just knew he was a pedo-sympathizer who posted inane bullshit to defend them, never knew he was a self-proclaimed pedophile. I'm somewhat glad he's banned.

On March 21 2007 17:19 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
As to the actual discussion at hand, a few things I'd like to point out.

1. The most recent situation started when a few members posted in the Feedback Forum complaining about how Chibi kept sidetracking threads with his pedophilia-related posts. Beyonder and Chibi did have an argument in a thread in which Beyonder behaved less than ideally, but that was not what started the discussion that ultimately led to the ban.

2. Beyonder banned Chibi in the midst of our discussion of what to do with him since he seemed to be unable to stay out of trouble and because other forum members were complaining. Not only that, but quite a few staff members also disapproved of the continued leniency that Chibi kept receiving. We all disapproved of Bey's action and told him so, and we proceeded to continue the discussion as to whether Chibi should be banned as a result of the continued problems that seemed to be constantly coming up with him. It was NOT a decision as to whether we should unban Chibi, and it remained a decision on whether he should be banned because of the headache he was.

3. There is no clear cut answer as to why Chibi was banned because different staff members had different reasons for wanting him gone. For some it was simply his association with pedophilia that he could not seem to let go of, for others it was his general behavior, and for the rest it was just because we had had serious discussions regarding Chibi multiple times in the past and enough was enough.

4. Whether Chibi is a pedophile or not, whether he actually condones pedophilia or not, etc., should not be seen as too big an issue. The bottom line was that he talked about it and brought it up enough and in a such a way that it caused problems on the site. Staff and general members were unhappy about it, and he just wouldn't let it go. As a result, we requested that he not bring it up anymore because of all the trouble that came along with it and he agreed to refrain. Please keep that fact in mind. He was causing trouble with his posts (regardless of whether it was pedophilia or just causing trouble in general), we got complaints, we discussed options and decided not to ban him and instead asked him to adjust his posting, and he agreed. Period. End of story. Let there be no more arguments discussing whether or not Chibi should have been banned or whether there was good reason to do so.

5. As to HOW he was banned, there is obviously a lot to question. Let me just say these few things in regards to how it actually happened. As Eri said, it is questionable to ban someone for offenses they committed in the past, but Chibi really had pushed most of the staff past the limits of their patience. The only reason why Chibi hadn't already been banned was because some of the staff just didn't care enough to ban him and thus went with the opinion of those who did feel strongly (like travis and Eri) to forgive and forget, and because we were assured that the things he was doing to cause trouble were going to stop. Notice that even though Bey had strong feelings about having Chibi banned in the past, we still decided to keep him around.

The effect of all this was that Chibi was effectively on probation. He was walking on thin ice and knew it. He had tested our patience and finally hit the end of it. We had been ever so close to permanently banning him, but had relented at the last moment because of his status as a regular and because of a few supporters amongst the staff. All he had to do was refrain from discussing anything pedophilia-related and stop causing trouble. Sure this would limit his effectiveness as a TL.net "character", but that was the price he had to pay to stay around because of all the shit he continually stirred up. And again, he AGREED to it.

Unfortunately, he was unable to refrain from bringing it up from time to time afterwards. True, it was in a less obvious and confrontational manner, but his agreement had been to avoid the topic at all costs. The staff was just not willing to deal with all the trouble that came along with him expressing his views on that topic anymore, no matter how well he presented them. He had become more trouble than he was worth. Finally, complaints were made by members (not Bey) and I brought it to the attention of the rest of the staff because I'm rather inactive and wanted others who had more knowledge in the matter involved. In the ensuing discussion most of the staff became involved and we started seriously discussing Chibi's behavior and posting. A lot of the staff didn't realize just how much trouble he had already caused, and upon learning of it, decided that a ban was appropriate after he had been given so many chances. Eventually, enough of the staff agreed that we were not willing to allow Chibi to continue to cause trouble on the site just so he could continue to express himself in the way he wanted.

6. Chibi is free to express his views on pedophilia anywhere else on the web. He has stated that he has found other forums which are actually geared towards pedophilia and has had some good discussions there amongst people who are interested in discussing such things and actually go to those specific forums to discuss such issues. TL.net is not one of those sites, and most of the staff does not approve of pedophilia being discussed on the forums. Is this something that we feel should be true for the whole world? No. This is just a decision for this particular forum. I don't think we demanded very much from Chibi, all he had to do was exercise some self control and refrain from discussing a very particular topic. He had other places he could discuss it, he could even discuss it privately with members if he wanted via PM, IRC or MSN, all he had to do was stop posting about it in the general forums. He CHOSE not to do so, and so he CHOSE to be banned. If you choose to stick your hand into fire, you are choosing to get burned.

On March 21 2007 17:27 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
I don't think I'll be coming to TL.net anymore now that Chibi is banned;(

On March 21 2007 17:26 Postmaster Bannon wrote:
More than anything Chibi was just another anime faggot who took his gimmick too far. I don't think he poses any real threat to young girls because much like other anime faggots they tend not to ever leave their houses.

On March 21 2007 17:26 Postmaster Bannon wrote:[Moderators] don't seem to enjoy themselves anymore and seem to project their apathy/anger onto everyone else.

On March 21 2007 17:26 Postmaster Bannon wrote:my opinion as the Postmaster and as a guy who is generally awesome at the internet is to make some sort of anything goes subforum (with some rules obv) to funnel both the shitty posts and let people blow off some steam or just have some fucking fun when they post for once.

On March 21 2007 17:52 kroko wrote:

was that a promise ?
2 trolls with 1 hit... nice
*high five* beyonder

On March 21 2007 17:26 Postmaster Bannon wrote:
More than anything Chibi was just another anime faggot who took his gimmick too far. I don't think he poses any real threat to young girls because much like other anime faggots they tend not to ever leave their houses.

I won't say Chibi was a good poster because he really wasn't but this forum has taken a massive turn for the worse lately, I'm not just just saying that because I have to use a goddamn anonymous proxy in the dominican republic to post.

If you've been around TLnet long enough you can really see the patterns emerge as admins come and go from their active duty of policing the forums.

Around summer 2004 I think it was, are what I consider the glory days of TLnet, there was little to no moderation and everything seemed to sort itsself out, maybe the community was a lot smaller, but things were generally funnier and there was no one stand out admin dishing out bans and policing things like we've seen in the past as people like Rekrul, Beyonder and Mani have come and gone handing out their brand of forum justice with almost no consistency between them.

I think a lot of old posters even if they don't want to acknowledge it in the open, know the forum has been on a decline for some time. It's still the best place for pro SC news and coverage, but the sense of community and fun has been all but destroyed.

A lot of it to me is a result of the moderators treating this place as such a chore and a thorn in their side, they don't seem to enjoy themselves anymore and seem to project their apathy/anger onto everyone else.

my opinion as the Postmaster and as a guy who is generally awesome at the internet is to make some sort of anything goes subforum (with some rules obv) to funnel both the shitty posts and let people blow off some steam or just have some fucking fun when they post for once.

Also perhaps some sort of poster POWER RANK so that I can be in my rightful place as THE MOST POWERFULLY RANKED POSTER (ps power rank still sucks)

On March 21 2007 17:42 Kwark wrote:
I've spent most the evening arguing on this topic but CyRiC's post has essentially answered me. If I were a mod I'd have let him slide on this one given that the rule was created to prevent any of the "post hot sisters" threads or flaming about pedophilia. I've always believed that it is the intentions of the lawmaker that should be used when upholding law, not the precise word of it. But that is my belief and the mods clearly disagree. He broke the word of the rule given to him, despite staying well away from the topics that rule was created to avoid, and indeed posting much more maturely than his peers. It's a pity to see a decent member banned for such a trivial thing.