chibi saysOkay well I start rambling here and there as usual but you certainly get what you pay for.
I HAVEN'T read the thread yet, and a lot of the below is simply pure and simple responses and explainations and clarifications. Whether you want to hear them or not, obviously some people are interested because otherwise they wouldn't have said all this shit in the first place.
a) I have never promoted paedophilia. I have discussed the possibility of younger people being capable of mature consent. I eventually concluded that the AoC must remain quite high and inflexible, for various obvious and less-obvious reasons, however also that I feel more research needs to be done into exactly what age it should be maintained at.
Just look at the states for example. Homosexuality, oral sex, intercourse.. ages of consent vary massively. I've seen countless posts on youtube and whatnot, referring to someone being a "disgusting pedo who should be locked up" for admiring someone 15 or 16. Sound familiar?
(If you don't understand, I was comparing those sort of people to the sort of people who find 15-16 year old girls attractive, but at the same time bash on people who like 12-13 year olds.)
b) Several times I told people to cut the crap with the pedo jokes and bs about me.
c) I have not posted anything illegal. I agree in hindsight my "do you find these girls attractive?" thread was in poor taste. I didn't have my own computer during those months and kinda rushed into it with the very limited time I had. I've explained before that I posted it only because it followed two other threads of the same theme ("do you find this woman hot?").
d) I'm seriously getting the impression that some people are reading "pedophilia" to mean "kiddie fucking". What the hell is wrong with you? Paedophilia is neither particularly uncommon nor is it usually a persons "sole" attraction. I like women as much as the next guy (not Mora). I just have this extra attraction towards youth. And it's not necessarily anything more than an initial visual attraction.
I'm sure a lot of paedophiles find young girls attractive visually, but wouldn't want to date one because they're annoying and loud and dumb, for example. And if someone _is_ attracted to a young persons personality, that isn't so damn creepy now is it? Someone might like immature people because he's pretty immature, playful, careless, himself. Someone might like them because he likes to have someone to teach, in the same way a parent or school teacher likes to teach. It's not a "justification" - it's simply an explaination. And it's not THAT creepy.
I do think it's unfortunate, and can present a danger, and can result in a lot of depression and strife for the poor guy or gal that has to deal with it. But something not within someone's control is never a question of morals. What you DO with these people, and what they do with themselves, is connected with morality.
But paedophiles are not child abusers. An attraction to kids is far from uncontrollable. If you have any sexual attraction that is uncontrollable I think you should seek help.
We're talking about someone who is inclined to argue - knowing that he may well be wrong - that some young people are capable of consent. What's the big fucking deal? I'm not talking about raping 8 year olds here.
e) As far as I'm aware I always use rationality to "justify" things. I don't say they're good but I do point out the reasons they occur, and the reasons they might be considered ok. I am always open-minded to people who respond in a similar manner, and I've expressed that I don't trust in my own opinion 100%, but that I do value it since I consider myself informed.
Which is a good thing, don't you think? I've spent a good few hours on a certain child modelling forum recently and have been discussing several things about the law and morality, and often explaining to people (paedophiles) why they are wrong to think what they do.
Simple examples: should child glamour modelling in any form be legal, since it is a "sexual activity"? If so, should it be controlled with a specific age of consent? What about beauty pageants? What about Dakota acting in that rape scene in her new movie? Does the fact that the movie has "artistic value" protect her from the potential abuse she might suffer in being involved in something sexual and disturbing? If she's having some special psychological evaluation applied to answer these questions, then can't the same be done for child models and the like?
Discussing these things and actively changing people's opinions for the better is kinda fun. It means a 19 year old might not go to jail for "molesting" his 14 year old girlfriend, and it means some poor 5 year old might not be dressed up in a bikini and made to pose erotically for some sick fucks to jack off over.
I'm gonna finish up with some responses to Testie and Incontrol coz they posted a fuckload of trolling lies and I wasn't able to respond and show people this before. I could respond to them much more, but won't.
"Second off, he continually brings it into threads that aren't related. Is homosexuality hereditary? Is this relevant?"
Yes it was.
"A good % of his posts tend to have the underlying quality of pushing his viewpoint on other people which has already been majorly rejected."
Well, I was involved in 4-5 debates about the subject. You can read them for yourself to see the content, tone and context of each of my posts. They are 12-19 pages long each so you've got some reading to do if you want to know the truth. I was talking to people who think "giving out condoms in schools is promoting paedophilia".
"People are trying to do what is right for their children, while his whole viewpoint takes away from that ignoring them."
What the fuck is my "whole viewpoint" anyway Testie? Do you know or are you making things up?
"Chibi's viewpoint condones it and finds it socially acceptable."
What viewpoint? What do I condone? If I've said something is socially acceptable then I must have been talking about a place where it is socially acceptable, by definition.
"finds it socially acceptable to sleep with a child"
???
"He can make all the excuses of, "if they are mentally grown and willing it should be alright. There are some very mature kids out there.""
Well, sure, that's the whole arguement for any AoC ruling. Shut the fuck up.
"For all we know his viewpoint is that of, "If I ever had a child sure, why not slip it into a kid that won't remember that i'm doing it. No harm done, and I get to experience it"."
Okay well now we've concluded that you have no idea what my viewpoint is, nor indeed know anything about me whatsoever, how about you stop posing defamatory trolls like this.
Regarding Incontrol:
Can't really be bothered with you. People should read all the giant pedo threads if they want to know what actually went on in them, as I've said before. I think the latest one started off about bestiality?
"Wasn't it like, litterally only a few months he made that thread that was completely saturated with young girls half nude and straddling sculpture penis' etc?"
I posted multiple half-nude girls? No? And the picture of sculpture penis wasn't posted by me afaik.
"He also asked "Who wouldnt stick their penis in that" in referance to an 11 year old girl."
Yeh, that was Saaya Irie, the young supermodel in Japan who has been posted about before because she has enormous breasts. What's your point? All that stuff was stupid and I got banned for it, as far as I can recall, months ago. Here's that thread:
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=48914Here are 3 of the pedo threads.. you can find the rest yourself.
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=45587http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=44906http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=47149LASTLY (omg), here is a brief summary of my "viewpoint". For those that didn't get it the first 600 times.
"chibi has made his views very clear in the past numerous times and does not condone relations with a child. he has concluded that some 13 year olds are able to consent, and that it is possible for them to have a healthy relationship with an adult, but that it is extremely unlikely in a society totally unsuitable for such a relationship, and in a society where young people are generally very immature (eg USA).
he has concluded that such oppertunities cannot exist because the law must be set at a particular age, however he would like to see more research into what age is suitable for our ever-increasingly mature population"
NOTE: this post has been only a clarification or response to certain things. As far as I'm aware, I'm banned for multiple fuckups - NOT because other people dislike or misunderstand me. Now I'm gonna go read the thread.
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why can't everyone just get along (like Smurg said :D) it's not like this is going to dramatically effect Chibi's life and kill him or anything. People make mistakes, and they face the consequences. I've been around on TL.net for a while now, all I know about Chibi is that to me, he makes some really random, crazy posts once in a while (when he's drunk?), some really intelligent posts in threads with debates, and his pedo personality was pretty humorous in some threads ^_^. But rules are there for a reason, and breaking those rules so many times was his mistake. After being given that many chances, he should've known what was coming if he kept up that behavior. I think that he should've stayed banned after the 3rd of 4th time -_-; and all the re-bans up till now has made things worse. If he was shaping up, there shouldn't have been a reason to ban him again this time, but what's done is done, and the mods should know what they're doing now after dealing with him so many times before. I think there's really no reason to argue over this anymore.. 
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