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giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
March 10 2015 21:19 GMT
#221
Sounds like the Jets are going to get Revis. I guess now that he has his ring he is ok with money>winning again. Pats now have to replace Wilfork, Revis, and Vereen, maybe Browner too
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
March 10 2015 21:53 GMT
#222
On March 11 2015 05:13 QuanticHawk wrote:
Graham in the seams on a team that does the deep ball that well is gonna be dope. I think his actual catch number will drop, but his ypc is going to be bonkers.

I don't get why NO does that though unless you are blowing it all up on offense. He's the best player not named Brees and it isn't even close. And Unger is good but he's 28 going on 29 so even if they are going rebuild that doesn't make sense.


I dont know i have a feeling for one side this will be a massive bust, not sure for which.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 21:54:17
March 10 2015 21:53 GMT
#223
I am hearing reports that the swapping of first round picks between the Rams and the Eagle for the Bradford/Foles trade is untrue.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23848 Posts
March 10 2015 22:05 GMT
#224
On March 11 2015 06:53 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 05:13 QuanticHawk wrote:
Graham in the seams on a team that does the deep ball that well is gonna be dope. I think his actual catch number will drop, but his ypc is going to be bonkers.

I don't get why NO does that though unless you are blowing it all up on offense. He's the best player not named Brees and it isn't even close. And Unger is good but he's 28 going on 29 so even if they are going rebuild that doesn't make sense.


I dont know i have a feeling for one side this will be a massive bust, not sure for which.


I think it's going to take a lot less time for Graham to fit in Seattle than it will for Unger to get that line on the same page.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 10 2015 22:18 GMT
#225
On March 11 2015 06:19 giftdgecko wrote:
Sounds like the Jets are going to get Revis. I guess now that he has his ring he is ok with money>winning again. Pats now have to replace Wilfork, Revis, and Vereen, maybe Browner too


I also think people vastly overrate the Patriots ability to repeat. In the 10 years since they won #3, they were the best team in the AFC at least 5 times, probably 7 times, and won 1 title.

The Colts, even though they kind of suck, can win 1 game by virtue of having Luck, the Broncos are the Pats equal if Manning is 90% by the end of the year (instead of 40%), the Ravens nearly beat them this year, and the Super Bowl is always going to field you a hard opponent. I mean, its not like they were some sort of lock to win this year either.
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 10 2015 22:37 GMT
#226
Loving the sheer number of traded we are seeing. I've been saying for a while the the NFL's biggest market inefficiency is trades and some teams are finally figuring it out.

It's absolte anarchy, and I love it.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23848 Posts
March 10 2015 22:53 GMT
#227
On March 11 2015 07:37 AgentW wrote:
Loving the sheer number of traded we are seeing. I've been saying for a while the the NFL's biggest market inefficiency is trades and some teams are finally figuring it out.

It's absolte anarchy, and I love it.


Trading takes even more thinking and manipulation than a solid draft (as drafting is usually just one of several components to a trade). Plus I imagine more people have to be on board with a trade than a draft. I imagine this is at least in part because owners/execs would be more engaged in trading away a top jersey seller than they would on which lineman a team drafts.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 23:25:47
March 10 2015 23:22 GMT
#228
Foles to the Rams?! Bradford to the Eagles?! Damn I need to let this settle in.

I'm still an Eagles guy but I'm def hoping Foles is successful with the Rams.

As for Bradford, I find it unlikely Kelly got him to play him. Kelly has had injury issues with his QBs the last few years and I really doubt he wants to play someone with as much injury history as him. It's not like Bradford is the most mobile QB either. I'm more inclined to believe that he wants to use Bradford as trade fodder on draft day. Bradford likely has more upside than Foles in the eyes of many teams anyways. If he does start for the Eagles though I'd def be happy about that (if he can stay healthy), though I'd PREFER Foles.

I think Kelly really undervalued Foles personally but I guess we'll see.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 10 2015 23:27 GMT
#229
I agree that I think Bradford's a chip that is going to be flipped, but I don't see the value in him that everyone else seems to. With his health history and contract, he's really not valuable in my mind, and would need to extend and restructure, which is risky considering calling him made of glass would be an insult to glass.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51577 Posts
March 10 2015 23:32 GMT
#230
this is by far the craziest off-season i've ever experienced in my lifetime

so much shit happening.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 23:34:36
March 10 2015 23:32 GMT
#231
Here is the final terms btw:




Overall this is great for the Rams imo. You dump a huge contract and Foles is on the last year of his rookie contract so there is no huge obligation until after you see him play.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51577 Posts
March 10 2015 23:36 GMT
#232
Ngata to the Lions for a 4th and 5th rounder.
Dunno how well he'll fare in a 4-3.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
March 10 2015 23:39 GMT
#233
Ok this makes even less sense. If they just wanted to use a qb as bait on draft day, i really dont think Bradford is much more valuable than Foles. So wierd O.O
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 10 2015 23:42 GMT
#234
IDK NFL teams clearly see something in him that we don't. Doesn't mean that the Eagles do, just that they think (maybe) that others do and they'll flip him.

Thought the Ngata move was interesting. Basically a salary dump for the Ravens who had less than $1M in cap room, but that seems weird considering that Ngata only has one year left. Figured they could have cut someone else.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 23:52:43
March 10 2015 23:49 GMT
#235
On March 11 2015 08:39 Teoita wrote:
Ok this makes even less sense. If they just wanted to use a qb as bait on draft day, i really dont think Bradford is much more valuable than Foles. So wierd O.O


Especially since Bradfords contract is so much bigger and he is unwilling to renegotiate it. The Rams-Eagles deal gets more complicated:

Rams get:
Nick Foles, Eagles 2015 4th rnd pick, Eagles 2016 2nd round pick

Eagles get:
Sam Bradford, Rams 2015 5th rnd pick, *conditional 2016 pick


*Conditions:

Bradford doesn't start 50% of games in 2015 Eagles get Rams 2016 4th round pick

If Bradford doesn't play at all the Eagles get the Rams 2016 3rd round pick.

If Bradford plays more the 50% of Snaps the Eagles get no additional picks.


Note: No 1st round picks were swapped.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
March 10 2015 23:52 GMT
#236
On March 11 2015 05:15 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 04:17 QuanticHawk wrote:
Niners do a pistol with a read option on a running qb. it's not really all that comparable.


It really is comparable imo, Chip Kelly basically perfected the zone read and there's ways to make it work even without a running qb with stuff like bubble screens, a pitch guy backside, draw/stick kind of plays etc

Also, if Sanchez of all people looked passable in that offense, Bradford should be ok.

I guess i shouldn't have said not really all that comparable because there are obviously some similarities but having someone like Kap in the pistol completely changes how teams approach the run game on both sides.

On March 11 2015 05:28 URfavHO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 05:15 Teoita wrote:
On March 11 2015 04:17 QuanticHawk wrote:
Niners do a pistol with a read option on a running qb. it's not really all that comparable.


It really is comparable imo, Chip Kelly basically perfected the zone read and there's ways to make it work even without a running qb with stuff like bubble screens, a pitch guy backside, draw/stick kind of plays etc

Also, if Sanchez of all people looked passable in that offense, Bradford should be ok.

also, the niners pretended that kap was a paraplegic pocket passer last season. So it's not like anyone was really expecting kap to run it.

(I should note that the aforementioned 5.0 ypc stat was from ESPN radio and only from the previous season)

I expect the eagles to attempt to sign Brandon Browner next. or perhaps Stephen Hawking. I think those have the same likelihood.


Kap set a personal record for rushing yards, and was 2nd in the league this year. And they only moved up from like 30th to 26th for total Z% of plays called pass. And I also read that they ran the read option more than ever this year. There were a lot of issues but a lot came back to Kap.

speaking of the niners, I do not like that contract for Smith. I think he's an ok #2, and the Niners desperately need a speedy deepthreat to help the offense, but they massively overpaid for him. $40m total with $22 guaranteed for 700-800 yds a year yeesh. Things have gotten so bad that the Niners have to go nuts on mediocre players
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
March 10 2015 23:57 GMT
#237
A lot of money for this:

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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
March 11 2015 00:05 GMT
#238


I would have rather they took that money for Iupati if they were gonna overpay for a flawed player
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ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
March 11 2015 00:35 GMT
#239
Uhrr

okay this move foles trade has confused me.

even if it is just to use Bradford as a bargaining chip, why not just use foles in the same way.
: o )
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
March 11 2015 01:08 GMT
#240
On March 11 2015 07:18 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 06:19 giftdgecko wrote:
Sounds like the Jets are going to get Revis. I guess now that he has his ring he is ok with money>winning again. Pats now have to replace Wilfork, Revis, and Vereen, maybe Browner too


I also think people vastly overrate the Patriots ability to repeat. In the 10 years since they won #3, they were the best team in the AFC at least 5 times, probably 7 times, and won 1 title.

The Colts, even though they kind of suck, can win 1 game by virtue of having Luck, the Broncos are the Pats equal if Manning is 90% by the end of the year (instead of 40%), the Ravens nearly beat them this year, and the Super Bowl is always going to field you a hard opponent. I mean, its not like they were some sort of lock to win this year either.

So you're saying repeating as champions is hard? Thanks for that lol.

Patriots will hopefully look into someone like Cromartie if they lose Revis, Browner can be replaced, Wilfork was less effective than his usual self but they still need someone else. Colts actually get my money on coming out of the AFC next year, that defense just got better and the running game could be there.
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