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On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure.
why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007
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On September 23 2015 23:26 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007
They can still feel good when they compare him to Manning who is falling apart and throwing ducks
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On September 23 2015 14:59 cLutZ wrote:
That said, you are a fool if you think any organization is measurably more competent than the colts.
Edit, I'm a fool, I mean less competent than the colts. Its impossible to be worse than them.
i feel like you have not seen the browns draft for the last 16 years. if you're looking for an incompetent organization, there's no one better than cleveland.
and i'm a lifetime browns fan.
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On September 23 2015 23:26 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007
of course he is a little slower than in 07, his injury would make it impossible to be as fast (if he ever was). That's not his game though. Arm strength and quickness aren't anything brady is good at. I would even say he is in the bottom half or worse in those categories. But he reads the field well, makes quick throws, shifts in the pocket to buy time, and is accurate. That hasn't changed and as far as I can tell it hasn't fallen off. Unless our defense picks up some slack he may have similar numbers to 07 when our defense was garbage.
In 07 he had moss, one of the best deep threats of all time. Of course brady chucked it up and had higher y/a, but that's never been his style. Half of those deep throws were inaccurate enough to make me cringe. Honestly the only reason it is as high as it is now is because of gronk running seam routes. But again, that's not indicative of him falling off, just playing his normal playstyle.
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On September 24 2015 00:58 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 14:59 cLutZ wrote:
That said, you are a fool if you think any organization is measurably more competent than the colts.
Edit, I'm a fool, I mean less competent than the colts. Its impossible to be worse than them. i feel like you have not seen the browns draft for the last 16 years. if you're looking for an incompetent organization, there's no one better than cleveland. and i'm a lifetime browns fan.
They are the browns who got #1 overall in the perfect years.
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On September 24 2015 03:39 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 00:58 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:On September 23 2015 14:59 cLutZ wrote:
That said, you are a fool if you think any organization is measurably more competent than the colts.
Edit, I'm a fool, I mean less competent than the colts. Its impossible to be worse than them. i feel like you have not seen the browns draft for the last 16 years. if you're looking for an incompetent organization, there's no one better than cleveland. and i'm a lifetime browns fan. They are the browns who got #1 overall in the perfect years.
that's another thing...the browns are so bad they can't even fail correctly. Can't even get the #1
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On September 23 2015 23:26 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007
Brady might not be in his physical prime, but hes still one of the top two quarterbacks in the league. Which means no matter what you say about his prime, hes still worthy of being smug about. And Y/A is really a terrible measure of skill in regards to brady, becuase short 3 or 4 yard passes have in large part replaced the running game for the Pats. And if you think getting 300+ yards per game while holding the ball for less than two seconds isn't impressive as fuck, then I'm not the biggest homer here
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On September 24 2015 03:59 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 03:39 cLutZ wrote:On September 24 2015 00:58 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:On September 23 2015 14:59 cLutZ wrote:
That said, you are a fool if you think any organization is measurably more competent than the colts.
Edit, I'm a fool, I mean less competent than the colts. Its impossible to be worse than them. i feel like you have not seen the browns draft for the last 16 years. if you're looking for an incompetent organization, there's no one better than cleveland. and i'm a lifetime browns fan. They are the browns who got #1 overall in the perfect years. that's another thing...the browns are so bad they can't even fail correctly. Can't even get the #1
Also they got very lucky that Luck and Manning stayed for Sr. years. Otherwise they would have gotten Ryan Leaf and RG3.
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Time to make my picks for Tomorrow and this weekends games
Giants > Redskins This is a MUST WIN for the giants. I think manning will finally live up to his new contract this game
Raiders > Browns With McCown starting after Manziel having the best game of the year, Browns will lose unless Josh gets hurt early in the game again letting johnny play
Panthers > Saints A busted up Brees or a random 2nd string OB is not going to beat the 3rd best QB in the league
Falcons > Cowboys A wild Matt Cassel appears! Cowboys would have a better chance with Weeden even though he lost the last 7 games he started in because he is used to the boys system.
Arizona > 49ers SF is a disaster beyond repair at the moment
Seattle > Chicago WIth Kam back, Matt Forte will be having a bad day and the Bears QB will throw at least 1 interception
Jets > Eagles Eagles are not even a team right now until they bench Bradford and put in Sanchez. Sam has no business whatsoever of being a starting QB anywhere in the NFL
Rams > Steelers St Louis will have their shit together after losing last week to a terrible team.
Now upset time:
Jaguars > Patriots Jags are a better team then they have been the last several years. Blake Bortles is finally getting it together and they could catch the Pats if they fall asleep.
How do my picks measure up to yours?
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On September 23 2015 19:51 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. Of course he does, he just threw for 466 yards! He's not going to be this good all year, it's simple regression. Are you going to simply ignore the fact that he was 22nd in Y/A in 2013 and 21st in 2014? And to even compare 2007 to 2015 as apples to apples statistically is unfair, as it was a different offensive league. Brady led the league in Y/A in 2007 at 8.3 while leading the league in completion percentage and yards (which is insane). However, the same total would have put him a relatively distant 3rd last year.
Not really taking a side in this argument, but Y/A isn't really a great way to quantify Brady's performance. His Y/A in 07 was great because the main threat was an extraordinary deep ball threat in Moss and since then they've been transitioning more into a small pass style of game given the loss of Moss and the upcoming of players like Edelman.
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On September 24 2015 02:02 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 23:26 QuanticHawk wrote:On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007 of course he is a little slower than in 07, his injury would make it impossible to be as fast (if he ever was). That's not his game though. Arm strength and quickness aren't anything brady is good at. I would even say he is in the bottom half or worse in those categories. But he reads the field well, makes quick throws, shifts in the pocket to buy time, and is accurate. That hasn't changed and as far as I can tell it hasn't fallen off. Unless our defense picks up some slack he may have similar numbers to 07 when our defense was garbage. In 07 he had moss, one of the best deep threats of all time. Of course brady chucked it up and had higher y/a, but that's never been his style. Half of those deep throws were inaccurate enough to make me cringe. Honestly the only reason it is as high as it is now is because of gronk running seam routes. But again, that's not indicative of him falling off, just playing his normal playstyle.
On September 24 2015 04:25 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 23:26 QuanticHawk wrote:On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007 Brady might not be in his physical prime, but hes still one of the top two quarterbacks in the league. Which means no matter what you say about his prime, hes still worthy of being smug about. And Y/A is really a terrible measure of skill in regards to brady, becuase short 3 or 4 yard passes have in large part replaced the running game for the Pats. And if you think getting 300+ yards per game while holding the ball for less than two seconds isn't impressive as fuck, then I'm not the biggest homer here
No one said anything about other players, his abilities, or anything like that.. It was a statement about what qbs are in their prime, as in the time frame that most qbs have their peak years. Brady is 38, and his ypa, ypg, and tds have all been in decline. In the same way that Peyton's still a top 10 qb even with his wobby duckshit throws, past his prime Brady is obviously still very good, but I really don't understand how saying he's past his prime is in any way controversial
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On September 24 2015 10:30 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 02:02 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 23:26 QuanticHawk wrote:On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007 of course he is a little slower than in 07, his injury would make it impossible to be as fast (if he ever was). That's not his game though. Arm strength and quickness aren't anything brady is good at. I would even say he is in the bottom half or worse in those categories. But he reads the field well, makes quick throws, shifts in the pocket to buy time, and is accurate. That hasn't changed and as far as I can tell it hasn't fallen off. Unless our defense picks up some slack he may have similar numbers to 07 when our defense was garbage. In 07 he had moss, one of the best deep threats of all time. Of course brady chucked it up and had higher y/a, but that's never been his style. Half of those deep throws were inaccurate enough to make me cringe. Honestly the only reason it is as high as it is now is because of gronk running seam routes. But again, that's not indicative of him falling off, just playing his normal playstyle. Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 04:25 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 23:26 QuanticHawk wrote:On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007 Brady might not be in his physical prime, but hes still one of the top two quarterbacks in the league. Which means no matter what you say about his prime, hes still worthy of being smug about. And Y/A is really a terrible measure of skill in regards to brady, becuase short 3 or 4 yard passes have in large part replaced the running game for the Pats. And if you think getting 300+ yards per game while holding the ball for less than two seconds isn't impressive as fuck, then I'm not the biggest homer here No one said anything about other players, his abilities, or anything like that.. It was a statement about what qbs are in their prime, as in the time frame that most qbs have their peak years. Brady is 38, and his ypa, ypg, and tds have all been in decline. In the same way that Peyton's still a top 10 qb even with his wobby duckshit throws, past his prime Brady is obviously still very good, but I really don't understand how saying he's past his prime is in any way controversial
Its not controversial at all. 38 is an old athlete for sure but Brady has Montana Status and just won his fourth Super Bowl. I can see how they still think he's the man.
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On September 24 2015 10:30 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 02:02 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 23:26 QuanticHawk wrote:On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007 of course he is a little slower than in 07, his injury would make it impossible to be as fast (if he ever was). That's not his game though. Arm strength and quickness aren't anything brady is good at. I would even say he is in the bottom half or worse in those categories. But he reads the field well, makes quick throws, shifts in the pocket to buy time, and is accurate. That hasn't changed and as far as I can tell it hasn't fallen off. Unless our defense picks up some slack he may have similar numbers to 07 when our defense was garbage. In 07 he had moss, one of the best deep threats of all time. Of course brady chucked it up and had higher y/a, but that's never been his style. Half of those deep throws were inaccurate enough to make me cringe. Honestly the only reason it is as high as it is now is because of gronk running seam routes. But again, that's not indicative of him falling off, just playing his normal playstyle. Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 04:25 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 23:26 QuanticHawk wrote:On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007 Brady might not be in his physical prime, but hes still one of the top two quarterbacks in the league. Which means no matter what you say about his prime, hes still worthy of being smug about. And Y/A is really a terrible measure of skill in regards to brady, becuase short 3 or 4 yard passes have in large part replaced the running game for the Pats. And if you think getting 300+ yards per game while holding the ball for less than two seconds isn't impressive as fuck, then I'm not the biggest homer here No one said anything about other players, his abilities, or anything like that.. It was a statement about what qbs are in their prime, as in the time frame that most qbs have their peak years. Brady is 38, and his ypa, ypg, and tds have all been in decline. In the same way that Peyton's still a top 10 qb even with his wobby duckshit throws, past his prime Brady is obviously still very good, but I really don't understand how saying he's past his prime is in any way controversial
If you look at Quarterback Rating (the traditional one), Tom was always a mid 80s to low 90s guy. He eclipsed 100 in 3 years: 117.2 in 2007, 111.0 in 2010, and 105.6 in 2011. This year he's at 119.9, his highest ever, but expect that to fall. Last year he posted a 97.4, above his career average. You could argue that he peaked in 2007 and plateaued until 2011, but his numbers last year were almost as good as ever and this year is better so far. You'd also have to throw out 2008 and 2009 because he was hurt in 08 and maybe wasn't 100% recovered in 09. So you'd really just be cherry-picking 2007, 2010, and 2011.
When I look at his numbers, he looks to be about as good as ever (with the exception of 07, which was ridiculous). I'd say his increasing understanding of the game is keeping him at his peak even as his physical abilities aren't what they once were.
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Kam is back! Hooray!
But can somebody please explain what the big issue that caused the holdout was? Jalousy of teammates's contracts? Fear that his body could not take the last year of the deal with the most money? Regretting bitterly that he sold himself too cheaply when he signed in the first place?
All of the above?
Anyway he comes out as a bad businessman and an illoyal, greedy worker. Love his playstyle though!
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On September 24 2015 10:30 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 02:02 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 23:26 QuanticHawk wrote:On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007 of course he is a little slower than in 07, his injury would make it impossible to be as fast (if he ever was). That's not his game though. Arm strength and quickness aren't anything brady is good at. I would even say he is in the bottom half or worse in those categories. But he reads the field well, makes quick throws, shifts in the pocket to buy time, and is accurate. That hasn't changed and as far as I can tell it hasn't fallen off. Unless our defense picks up some slack he may have similar numbers to 07 when our defense was garbage. In 07 he had moss, one of the best deep threats of all time. Of course brady chucked it up and had higher y/a, but that's never been his style. Half of those deep throws were inaccurate enough to make me cringe. Honestly the only reason it is as high as it is now is because of gronk running seam routes. But again, that's not indicative of him falling off, just playing his normal playstyle. Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 04:25 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 23:26 QuanticHawk wrote:On September 23 2015 14:06 giftdgecko wrote:On September 23 2015 13:05 AgentW wrote:On September 23 2015 05:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 23 2015 05:17 andrewlt wrote:
Rodgers is pretty much the only top QB who is still in his prime. Luck is not there yet. Manning, Brees and Brady are old. Even the second tier like Big Ben, Rivers, Eli, Romo are past their prime. Flacco and Ryan are still behind those guys.
Problem with JJ Watt being everywhere is he just lacks the sense of humor that Manning and Rodgers possess. He just comes off as a one-dimensional football player who doesn't have anything else in his life other than football. Brady is old but still on top of his game. I can't stand it when Pats fans say things like this. Look, we get it, your QB is still really good. But he's not what he once was. He's really, really good, but Brady in 2007 with Moss was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It was basically indefensible. And any Pats fan (not that I've seen any here but I'm sure there are some) is lying to themselves if they say they'd take present day Brady over Rodgers. Brady actually has better stats through his first two games of this year than he did in 07. Brady has the same strengths and weaknesses he's had his whole career. Outside of the first quarter of last year there is nothing to suggest he's fallen off from his prime since 07. When he falls off you'll know it because it'll be headline news I'm sure. why are pats fans such homers that they can't even admit that the 38 year old version of brady is a little slower and a little less strong and overall not quite as good than the brady from 2007 Brady might not be in his physical prime, but hes still one of the top two quarterbacks in the league. Which means no matter what you say about his prime, hes still worthy of being smug about. And Y/A is really a terrible measure of skill in regards to brady, becuase short 3 or 4 yard passes have in large part replaced the running game for the Pats. And if you think getting 300+ yards per game while holding the ball for less than two seconds isn't impressive as fuck, then I'm not the biggest homer here No one said anything about other players, his abilities, or anything like that.. It was a statement about what qbs are in their prime, as in the time frame that most qbs have their peak years. Brady is 38, and his ypa, ypg, and tds have all been in decline. In the same way that Peyton's still a top 10 qb even with his wobby duckshit throws, past his prime Brady is obviously still very good, but I really don't understand how saying he's past his prime is in any way controversial
Plateau seems to be the right word. You said he isn't as good as 07 brady, I simply gave reasons comparing anything to that season is misleading. Bad defense and a disgusting array of weapons means any top qb could've put up career numbers. Either way, he isn't in his physical prime years wise, but he actually is in the best shape overall of his career. He's never relied on physical assets much so it's possible he is like warner and somehow is a better qb as he gets older. Instincts and smarts are more important to him than physical abilities. It'll be interesting to see how long he maintains his current numbers with what looks to be a incredibly soft schedule.
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Belichick locking up Gostkowski long term after himself proposing the PAT change is one of those sneaky devious moves...
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So ummmm did any of you guys take Demarco Murray in the first round in fantasy? I need to know if I cane make fun of the Eagles for that contract with out making someone cry.
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one guy in my league had to choose between Demarco Murray and Leveon Bell as his keeper. He chose Murray. lol
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