EPTGoliaths Imba?
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Q~Bert
United States665 Posts
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lawl mart
United States1289 Posts
and i think carriers are still > goliaths with range as long as you abuse the terrain and micro them good enough. have you ever tried to fight anything without goliath range? it fucking sucks without it TT | ||
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RiSE
United States3182 Posts
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akamufu
Korea (South)321 Posts
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lawl mart
United States1289 Posts
and vanilla is original Starcraft, without the Brood War. | ||
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Q~Bert
United States665 Posts
On September 30 2006 20:58 lawl mart wrote: Smurg* and i think carriers are still > goliaths with range as long as you abuse the terrain and micro them good enough. have you ever tried to fight anything without goliath range? it fucking sucks without it TT That is why I think he needs to be removed. The terran won't just sit there and let the zerg build up and get ultra/defiler so why should it be able to sit there and let the toss build up and then still win? | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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lawl mart
United States1289 Posts
and how can you compare tvp to tvz? tvz defilers and ultras are pretty much only going to work late game, when you have alot of gas comming in, but carriers can be built at many points of the game and still have success. and ya, fighting carriers with range goliaths is still not as easy as it looks ~~ edit - i think Drowsy may have gotten my point off better than i did ^^ | ||
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Q~Bert
United States665 Posts
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
In vanilla, T was strong vs P early game than it is in BW because of no dts, but in late game P is stronger vs T than in BW imo because of carriers. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
Also the scenarios you are mentioning are pretty much nonexistant. Terran just turtle and win due to gollie range? Sidnote: I hate carriers, they are boring to use and they are boring to play against. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
no golli range = carrier abuse = problems for terran dont start saying its imba | ||
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j0ehoe
United States2705 Posts
use dweb ;] | ||
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lawl mart
United States1289 Posts
On September 30 2006 21:52 Q~Bert wrote: But still. If you can keep up in expos TvP the money they are using for carriers will significantly reduce their macro and you can just roll over them and razing 1-2 of their expos. so your saying that the carriers you made will do nothing to hurt the terran army? no, you get carriers, you pick off units here and there, and they make up for thier cost. when he starts to make 40 goliaths then thats what you have your main army for, to rape those goliaths. when your carriers are cruising around start picking off the tanks, and sooner or later he wont have much of a force to deal with your ground troops. basically, if you cant win with carriers then use something else, dont make a tl thread about goliaths being imba, because they are not | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On September 30 2006 22:30 Plexa wrote: pvt is one of the most balanced mu's out there no golli range = carrier abuse = problems for terran dont start saying its imba No, pvt is statistically imbalanced in favor of protoss(at least on old pgt stats it was, particularly on maps that people actually play, on lt and a few older maps terran had a slight lead). Removing gollie range would make an already 1-2% imbalance even worse to equally as bad as pvz or possibly even worse, which makes this an absolutely retarded suggestion. It'd be like saying "OH BTW ZEALOT SPEED IMPROVEMENT MAKES ZEALS WAY TO GOOD PVZ THEY NEED NERF!" | ||
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
On September 30 2006 23:43 Drowsy wrote: [removed quote within quote] No, pvt is statistically imbalanced in favor of protoss(at least on old pgt stats it was, particularly on maps that people actually play, on lt and a few older maps terran had a slight lead). Removing gollie range would make an already 1-2% imbalance even worse to equally as bad as pvz or possibly even worse, which makes this an absolutely retarded suggestion. It'd be like saying "OH BTW ZEALOT SPEED IMPROVEMENT MAKES ZEALS WAY TO GOOD PVZ THEY NEED NERF!" yea except TvP is really really balanced;/ | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
another thread of protoss whining, great. | ||
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nS-g.OoZi
Canada92 Posts
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Alborz
Canada1551 Posts
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rel
Guam3521 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 30 2006 23:43 Drowsy wrote: Maps that people play on;[removed quote within quote] No, pvt is statistically imbalanced in favor of protoss(at least on old pgt stats it was, particularly on maps that people actually play, on lt and a few older maps terran had a slight lead). Removing gollie range would make an already 1-2% imbalance even worse to equally as bad as pvz or possibly even worse, which makes this an absolutely retarded suggestion. It'd be like saying "OH BTW ZEALOT SPEED IMPROVEMENT MAKES ZEALS WAY TO GOOD PVZ THEY NEED NERF!" Luna -> slightly easier for protoss RH3 -> Balanced? Rponit -> Slightly easier for terran imo Forte -> Protoss etc its all map dependant at a HIGH level the mu is balanced okay? | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
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Yuljan
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8882
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pvt is imbalanced what next? pvp is imbalanced too? | ||
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lawl mart
United States1289 Posts
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
On October 02 2006 02:05 lawl mart wrote: well protoss always win pvp ya? OK, HE HAS A POINT! 1.15 comming soon. | ||
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sdpgposd
United Kingdom1464 Posts
Theres no way the terran can properly defend from carriers without the goliath range. It would also mess up a lot of balance in the game in other mus. | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
On October 02 2006 02:59 sdpgposd wrote: Are you serious? Theres no way the terran can properly defend from carriers without the goliath range. It would also mess up a lot of balance in the game in other mus. by other mu:s you mean TvZ? Then no it would not be a issue. And if you was thinking about TvT then well yes goliaths would be not as used in TvT any longer. Got nothing to do with balance in the matchup | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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sdpgposd
United Kingdom1464 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
On October 02 2006 04:46 Purind wrote: This thread was serious? it was? | ||
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strik.fr
France212 Posts
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pooper-scooper
United States3108 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On October 02 2006 05:43 strik.fr wrote: if your p is as predictible as the shit u do every day then don't cry for imbalance.You have to be a bit creative and not always open on macro based builds. not true you can play straight macro pvt and be just fine at top non kor/pgt A+ level. | ||
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tKd_
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LastWish
2015 Posts
Terran doesn't have any other sufficient counter, because wraiths die to sairs/goons and storm except for lockdown, which is even more gas-intensive and requires double attention compared to goliaths. Carriers on their own aren't suppose to be indistuctable, but combined with goons/storm/statis/(web) they nearly are. U see carriers are there to even protoss supply disadvantage, since protoss 200/200(considering purely ground force) doesn't mean that much as terran 200/200 or zerg 200/200. While 200/200 of Carriers/arbiters some storm, sair... is much harder to beat with any other 200/200. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
On October 02 2006 03:59 sdpgposd wrote: Yes, tvz and tvt are the other matchups. yes and obviously goliath range won't imbalance a mirror lol. And goliaths suck already tvz | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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ToT)Testie(
Canada723 Posts
SHUT UP | ||
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Dexxus
United States329 Posts
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SChasu
United States1505 Posts
goth = dog | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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GunSlinger
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
and psi storms pvz? erh you can make archons and PSI storm? lol nerf | ||
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j0ehoe
United States2705 Posts
On October 02 2006 11:20 ToT)Testie( wrote: ALL MATCHUPS ARE BALANCED SHUT UP | ||
Chill
Calgary25990 Posts
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Hurricane
United States3939 Posts
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lawl mart
United States1289 Posts
on topic - probes are imba | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
On October 02 2006 14:51 ))(())(( wrote: [removed quote within quote] that includes pvz u emo nerds. | ||
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Cbreaker
United States476 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
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Nyovne
Netherlands19135 Posts
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j0ehoe
United States2705 Posts
On October 02 2006 20:53 tKd_ wrote: [removed quote within quote] that includes pvz u emo nerds. amen, toss = emo geek race, wtf | ||
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