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Please keep the QQ to a minimum if you do not like this update. We are happy to hear your reasoning for not liking a ranked system, but no "OMG VOLVO WHY" posts.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
December 09 2013 07:17 GMT
#401
not to mention i wait about 5 minutes anyway when i soloqueue cuz i can only play at night
i hope that wont change into a hell of a waiting time for me T_T
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
December 09 2013 09:41 GMT
#402
This changes should be done 2 years before. Every competitive game needs some kind of a ladder, this is basics.

Btw am I the only one that, their MM is retarded. How can you match a 2100 MMR player with 3K MMR players? Considering no one has any idea about MMR, 2100 guy can easily thinks he/she is pro. yolo into mid against 2994 guys who kicks his/her ass. Then we understand why there is always a feeder in one of the teams.

+ Show Spoiler +
RADIANT DIRE
Party MMR AdjMMR Party MMR AdjMMR
D 2994 3003 C 3046 3062
F 2788 2788 C 2920 2936
A 2687 2687 E 2716 2716
F 2626 2627 B 2672 2672
D 2401 2410 C 2100 2116
TOTAL 13515 TOTAL 13502
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 11:03:09
December 09 2013 10:52 GMT
#403
On December 09 2013 18:41 Laserist wrote:
This changes should be done 2 years before. Every competitive game needs some kind of a ladder, this is basics.

Btw am I the only one that, their MM is retarded. How can you match a 2100 MMR player with 3K MMR players? Considering no one has any idea about MMR, 2100 guy can easily thinks he/she is pro. yolo into mid against 2994 guys who kicks his/her ass. Then we understand why there is always a feeder in one of the teams.

+ Show Spoiler +
RADIANT DIRE
Party MMR AdjMMR Party MMR AdjMMR
D 2994 3003 C 3046 3062
F 2788 2788 C 2920 2936
A 2687 2687 E 2716 2716
F 2626 2627 B 2672 2672
D 2401 2410 C 2100 2116
TOTAL 13515 TOTAL 13502

They're in the same party, are you suggesting that valve should disallow parties with high MMR discrepancies?
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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
December 09 2013 10:56 GMT
#404
On December 09 2013 18:41 Laserist wrote:
This changes should be done 2 years before. Every competitive game needs some kind of a ladder, this is basics.

Btw am I the only one that, their MM is retarded. How can you match a 2100 MMR player with 3K MMR players? Considering no one has any idea about MMR, 2100 guy can easily thinks he/she is pro. yolo into mid against 2994 guys who kicks his/her ass. Then we understand why there is always a feeder in one of the teams.

+ Show Spoiler +
RADIANT DIRE
Party MMR AdjMMR Party MMR AdjMMR
D 2994 3003 C 3046 3062
F 2788 2788 C 2920 2936
A 2687 2687 E 2716 2716
F 2626 2627 B 2672 2672
D 2401 2410 C 2100 2116
TOTAL 13515 TOTAL 13502


Did you even bother to read how it works?
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
December 09 2013 11:12 GMT
#405
I cannot wait to extend my epeen MMR and my winrate to 80%
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 09 2013 11:18 GMT
#406
On December 09 2013 20:12 Elasticity wrote:
I cannot wait to extend my epeen MMR and my winrate to 80%


make sure you screenshot and post it here
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
December 09 2013 11:43 GMT
#407
@Alur 2994 is 3K in my book. And Valve shouldn't allow high MMR discrepancy games, I don't know how to do it. Maybe they restrict it with new rated MM.

I bother reading and have a pity to party F, E & B. They have to play players probably clueless considering their MMR levels.


“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 12:13:01
December 09 2013 12:00 GMT
#408
Invidual performance? Does this mean I cant play support on ranked soloque? I doubt a computer can say if support or mid played better. There will be players who want to play with others who want to win and there will be players who play for the number.
And is someone seriously going to play ranked AP? Lol.
Is captain the first one who clicks become captain, or is it randomized or set by rank?

I wouldnt call some elo number a very good feedback of how you are doing especially when you are soloque with 4 randoms. I want hardcore stats of things like dewards etc.
as useful as teasalt
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 15:39:00
December 09 2013 12:09 GMT
#409
If you're playing in a party with a high MMR discrepancy, the game will always have MMR gaps, the only way to avoid this is to make it "illegal" to queue if there is a large difference in MMR within your party - which is ridiculous.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 12:10:12
December 09 2013 12:09 GMT
#410
On December 09 2013 20:43 Laserist wrote:
@Alur 2994 is 3K in my book. And Valve shouldn't allow high MMR discrepancy games, I don't know how to do it. Maybe they restrict it with new rated MM.

I bother reading and have a pity to party F, E & B. They have to play players probably clueless considering their MMR levels.


Except you don't even know the players actual skill levels (ie. the lower-ranked players might be a new account and building MMR up). Nor do you know what those actual MMR numbers signify in terms of skill, so why are you even bothering to complain over it?

Maybe you should go find Fletchers posts referring to MMR in the dev forum and then you can see more examples.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
December 09 2013 12:18 GMT
#411
I think people will be more annoying. My mute skill will increase, it will become the same thing as worker split in BW.

I don't like the idea of ranked pubs team games. Maybe I will be surprised and people won't act as if it's the end of the world when one guy feeds firstbloood...
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 12:20:13
December 09 2013 12:19 GMT
#412
On December 09 2013 21:00 Ryndika wrote:
Invidual performance? Does this mean I cant play support on ranked soloque? I doubt a computer can say if support or mid played better. There will be players who want to play with others who want to win and there will be players who play for the number.
And is someone seriously going to play ranked AP? Lol.
Is captain the first one who clicks become captain, or is it randomized or set by rank?

I wouldnt call some elo number a very good feedback of how you are doing especially when you are soloque with 4 randoms. I want hardcore stats of things like dewards etc.

"Win/loss is the primary criteria used to update MMR, but individual performance also plays a role, especially when our uncertainty about your MMR is high"

It's an anti-smurf measure, it explains why I've had accounts in very high after 4 wins, it's probably negligible when a player's MMR has stabilized.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
TL+ Member
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
December 09 2013 12:40 GMT
#413
On December 09 2013 21:00 Ryndika wrote:
And is someone seriously going to play ranked AP? Lol.

Why wouldn't I? It will be exactly the same as before, only now a number isn't hidden from you. This won't be some kind of tryhard revolution.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
December 09 2013 12:56 GMT
#414
On December 09 2013 21:40 Appendix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 21:00 Ryndika wrote:
And is someone seriously going to play ranked AP? Lol.

Why wouldn't I? It will be exactly the same as before, only now a number isn't hidden from you. This won't be some kind of tryhard revolution.

Except the number now being shown will matter quite a bit to people.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 13:11:37
December 09 2013 13:09 GMT
#415
On December 09 2013 21:56 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 21:40 Appendix wrote:
On December 09 2013 21:00 Ryndika wrote:
And is someone seriously going to play ranked AP? Lol.

Why wouldn't I? It will be exactly the same as before, only now a number isn't hidden from you. This won't be some kind of tryhard revolution.

Except the number now being shown will matter quite a bit to people.


Indeed! fuel of mmr-rage and all want the same heros that mmr-lvls the fastest. Smart valve should not show mmr to anyone. The statistics will become regulation like buildingregulations in the real world. The gamers will all engineer there heros on the same basics accordingly. All the same builds, 10 same heros.
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 09 2013 13:27 GMT
#416
I'm scared about ranked matchmaking, I don't want the truth that I suck revealed!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
December 09 2013 13:30 GMT
#417
the high mmr differance games are already a problem today, if you queue with players that are worse than you are you will have really easy games if you pick something with a lot of solo-kill potential or a carry that isn't completly helpless early.

A lot of streamers do subscriber games (subs are usually way worse than the streamer), if you watch a game of them playing with subs it is usually that the streamer has to hardcarry the team or lose.
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
December 09 2013 14:32 GMT
#418
Not a fan of a solo queue thing, but i don't really care since i play TMM on the side
St0rmRush
Profile Joined February 2003
Brazil448 Posts
December 09 2013 14:50 GMT
#419
"Ranked matchmaking is unlocked after approximately 150 games."

Do i have to play 150 matches after the patch is released to go ranked ? right now i have 819 matches played
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 14:53:31
December 09 2013 14:52 GMT
#420
Ranked AP is just hillarious as a concept. Its going to be a race to see which team can pick the overpowered, flavour of the month, in-meta heroes the fastest. Except for that one guy who insists on going carry Crystal Maiden because "rofl is just a game" and proceeds to feed with boots first no regen.

I predict much, much rage over lost ranking. Should have been CM, CD and RD. At least there there is some structure to the picks and its not all about who can click the button the fastest. You can't stop people doing crazy things but you can at least stop absurd team combinations being freely acquired.
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