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On January 16 2014 08:46 Weird wrote:
What is this "aggro trick" you speak of?
issuing an attack command on any enemy hero within 500 units of an enemy creep will cause it to attack you. creeps check aggro status every 2(?) seconds.
so you right click an enemy hero while standing near the enemy creeps, then back off. the creep wave will chase you until the time to re-check aggro. this effectively drags enemy creeps back into a safe position for you to last hit.
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On January 16 2014 08:49 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 05:31 ZerG~LegenD wrote:On January 16 2014 04:49 Romitelli wrote:On January 16 2014 01:46 Sn0_Man wrote:Other options include "be RTZ/Kwark and pick imba 1v5 champ erry game". Free mmr except if ur already 6K then u only gain like 5 per win. Actual skill improvement not included. On January 16 2014 01:45 Plansix wrote:
My MMR is 2600 currently. I lost about 200 in an amazing set of losses. I don't play enough, which is part of my problem. I lack the mechanics to back up my knowledge about the game. But I have no where to go but up, so there is that. Mechanics are a bitch. I still can't reliably click on heroes in teamfights LOL. Insufficient SC background or something. God forbid I have to play visage/tinker etc. "Maining" a hero in Dota 2 is a really bad idea. It's easy to gain upwards of 500-1000+ MMR this way, especially if you pick a strong mid hero, and then realize you can't play anything else close to that level. However, for someone who's below 3k MMR, I guess it's a decent option to get out of the depths of trench tier and start playing decent-ish pubs. I strongly disagree. Focusing on one or a few heroes will allow you to ignore all these strongly hero dependent choices, like how to skill, what to buy and to to pull of your combos because you've made them so many times before and already know what to do. Instead you will be free to focus on deeper issues like how you move around the map, avoiding ganks and communicating with your team mates. All which transfer very well to other heroes. I gotta concur with Zerg on this one. "Maining" a few heroes as long as you have 1-2 in each category is a great idea because it lets you focus on getting used to the mechanics and feel of only 5-6 heroes. When you start looking at the heroes as a whole, you will start noticing a lot of them are similar in how they are played and then you can transfer what you learned playing 1 hero to another. Most supports you will feel a very similar rhythm to the game as long as your carries/mid/offlaner aren't some n00b pub retards as well most all carries. The only role that has heroes that feel very different from one another is the mid position. Some of these snowballers feel like pure gankers, some like semi-carries and others like long-ranged casting supports. Its probably the most versatile position you will ever have to play. Unless you have some kind of mental or learning disability, everything you learn from 1-2 heroes of every type (support, carry, etc) can be transferred to just about every other hero who fits in that number slot for team role extremely easily. I learned a few heroes and ended up being really good with everybody in just this manner and so have a great many pros.
There's a very, very big difference between maining one hero and playing a couple of every type. My comment was especially aimed sn0_Man, who mentioned Kwark. He got to 4.5k MMR by playing 650 games of jungle lycan (out of around 900 games total). I also have a few friends that jumped from 4k ish to 5k ish by playing only earth spirit for the last few weeks. They are not true 5k players, they'll lose that MMR quickly when ES gets nerfed.
On January 16 2014 05:33 Plansix wrote:
The trench is a tough place to live. I normally try to play a strong support. CM and earth shaker are my go to heroes if I have no idea what we need. My second position is off lane with either timber saw or bounty hunter. I try to broaden my hero pool, but that leads to some tragic losses.
Bit people need to accept that losing is part of learning. No pro got as good as they are without losing a fuck ton of games.
When I was trying to learn support I made myself a tiered checklist which ranged from the very basic stuff (0 min wards, flying courier ASAP, and so on) to things I wanted to incorporate into play. Considering low level pubs, there are loads of stuff that cause huge impact in the game that gets taken for granted, such as constant river wards during the laning phase, dewarding, buying smoke, proper stacking and pulling and ganking other lanes. If I'm playing a support with a reliable stun, I'll always go for at least one gank on mid, and this goes a huge way in helping your team. In lower level pubs you won't even need a smoke to do it...
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I wasn't really recommending it lol I just mentioned it as a way to inflate your mmr.
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Like every post you have done on TL has been really negative juracule. Did Icefrog touch you when you were younger?
If you think you're in ELO hell I am telling you, it's not going to get better. At higher ratings you still get useless LC feeders like this match. He should uninstall Dota probably.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/465372557
Some day people will realize that judging people based off of one game is pretty stupid.
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On January 16 2014 10:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:Like every post you have done on TL has been really negative juracule. Did Icefrog touch you when you were younger? If you think you're in ELO hell I am telling you, it's not going to get better. At higher ratings you still get useless LC feeders like this match. He should uninstall Dota probably. http://dotabuff.com/matches/465372557Some day people will realize that judging people based off of one game is pretty stupid.
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1. Why did you go thru all my posts on TL?
2. I didn't even mention ELO hell, I was laughing at the guy for implying there is such a thing as "true" MMR. The only MMR you have is the one being shown. What he is referring to is one's skill, but I found the concept of a MMR being truer than the one shown p funny.
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On January 16 2014 11:01 juracule wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 10:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:Like every post you have done on TL has been really negative juracule. Did Icefrog touch you when you were younger? If you think you're in ELO hell I am telling you, it's not going to get better. At higher ratings you still get useless LC feeders like this match. He should uninstall Dota probably. http://dotabuff.com/matches/465372557Some day people will realize that judging people based off of one game is pretty stupid. ???? 1. Why did you go thru all my posts on TL? 2. I didn't even mention ELO hell, I was laughing at the guy for implying there is such a thing as "true" MMR. The only MMR you have is the one being shown. What he is referring to is one's skill, but I found the concept of a MMR being truer than the one shown p funny.
I said they weren't true 5k players. There's a very deep skill set associated with being able to stay consistently at 5k MMR, and these friends do not possess such skill set, they "gamed" the system if you will by playing a broken hero.
Therefore, what I'm saying is that their currrent MMR does not reflect their actual all-around skill in Dota. This can also happen when, by chance, a new player's MMR is over or underestimated by the system during his first matches.
Don't be  juracule, everything will get better soon.
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On January 16 2014 22:18 Romitelli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 11:01 juracule wrote:On January 16 2014 10:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:Like every post you have done on TL has been really negative juracule. Did Icefrog touch you when you were younger? If you think you're in ELO hell I am telling you, it's not going to get better. At higher ratings you still get useless LC feeders like this match. He should uninstall Dota probably. http://dotabuff.com/matches/465372557Some day people will realize that judging people based off of one game is pretty stupid. ???? 1. Why did you go thru all my posts on TL? 2. I didn't even mention ELO hell, I was laughing at the guy for implying there is such a thing as "true" MMR. The only MMR you have is the one being shown. What he is referring to is one's skill, but I found the concept of a MMR being truer than the one shown p funny. I said they weren't true 5k players. There's a very deep skill set associated with being able to stay consistently at 5k MMR, and these friends do not possess such skill set, they "gamed" the system if you will by playing a broken hero. Therefore, what I'm saying is that their currrent MMR does not reflect their actual all-around skill in Dota. This can also happen when, by chance, a new player's MMR is over or underestimated by the system during his first matches. Don't be juracule, everything will get better soon.
I get exactly what you are saying about someone's true skill (but this is not equal to their true MMR - thus there is a disparity between actual skill and MMR - this has nothing to do with ELO hell if you want to bring that up panda boy), but you can't say they "gamed" the system if that system allows that broken hero to be played. I don't feel that you can nitpick someone's MMR just because they're really good at one particular hero (no matter the brokenness of that hero), unless you are a proponent of something like seperate hero MMR's, because hey that's just how the current MMR works.
The comes with being a student for the next 4 years
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I random every game in AP, so is my MMR real? Random gold is op!! Downside is people went frenzy when I did not repick meepo, but those midgets really need some love.
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On January 16 2014 22:43 juracule wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 22:18 Romitelli wrote:On January 16 2014 11:01 juracule wrote:On January 16 2014 10:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:Like every post you have done on TL has been really negative juracule. Did Icefrog touch you when you were younger? If you think you're in ELO hell I am telling you, it's not going to get better. At higher ratings you still get useless LC feeders like this match. He should uninstall Dota probably. http://dotabuff.com/matches/465372557Some day people will realize that judging people based off of one game is pretty stupid. ???? 1. Why did you go thru all my posts on TL? 2. I didn't even mention ELO hell, I was laughing at the guy for implying there is such a thing as "true" MMR. The only MMR you have is the one being shown. What he is referring to is one's skill, but I found the concept of a MMR being truer than the one shown p funny. I said they weren't true 5k players. There's a very deep skill set associated with being able to stay consistently at 5k MMR, and these friends do not possess such skill set, they "gamed" the system if you will by playing a broken hero. Therefore, what I'm saying is that their currrent MMR does not reflect their actual all-around skill in Dota. This can also happen when, by chance, a new player's MMR is over or underestimated by the system during his first matches. Don't be juracule, everything will get better soon. I get exactly what you are saying about someone's true skill (but this is not equal to their true MMR - thus there is a disparity between actual skill and MMR - this has nothing to do with ELO hell if you want to bring that up panda boy), but you can't say they "gamed" the system if that system allows that broken hero to be played. I don't feel that you can nitpick someone's MMR just because they're really good at one particular hero (no matter the brokenness of that hero), unless you are a proponent of something like seperate hero MMR's, because hey that's just how the current MMR works. The comes with being a student for the next 4 years
Maybe gamed was not the best term to use, I even put it between double quotes to indicate I probably wasn't using the word in its most direct meaning. Regardless, the system is aimed at consistently matching balanced teams by using a number which, supposedly, translates a player's skill within a certain margin of uncertainty. If you play nothing but ES until the hero gets invariably nerfed, you'll inflate your MMR to a point where, when that nerf comes through, you'll have to resort to playing other heroes at a much lower skill level and probably feed a lot. The thing is that the system will continue to think you're a much better player than you really are for quite some time, and you'll probably ruin a good number of games until your MMR reaches your real skill level.
Granted, this can happen when maining non-broken heroes. There's no doubt, for instance, that Cook's invoker is probably a lot better than his other heroes. However, when you play very OP heroes (and ES is probably the worst culprit I remember seeing in a very long time), it's much easier for this artificial inflation to occur in a shorter period of time.
On January 16 2014 22:47 nojok wrote:
I random every game in AP, so is my MMR real? Random gold is op!! Downside is people went frenzy when I did not repick meepo, but those midgets really need some love.
About 5 months ago I only randomed for around 150 games, it was very fun and very rewarding for my knowledge of the game. Don't think random gold is OP though, especially if you insta-random, since that leaves the other team to counter pick you pretty easily.
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ES isnt OP because if you insta lock him opponents can counterpick you easily =)))
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Random gold is op if you random a strong hero you're good with.
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On January 17 2014 04:51 zezamer wrote:
ES isnt OP because if you insta lock him opponents can counterpick you easily =)))
Whats the counter ?
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On January 17 2014 04:55 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 04:51 zezamer wrote:
ES isnt OP because if you insta lock him opponents can counterpick you easily =))) Whats the counter ?
5-man DC
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On January 17 2014 04:55 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 04:51 zezamer wrote:
ES isnt OP because if you insta lock him opponents can counterpick you easily =))) Whats the counter ?
Wards and positioning, es initiation has the range of any normal blink initiator, except that he doesn't need to get a blink dagger and he needs to get up close if he actually wants to do something other than stun in a straight line
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On January 17 2014 09:27 Vikeif wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 04:55 Erasme wrote:On January 17 2014 04:51 zezamer wrote:
ES isnt OP because if you insta lock him opponents can counterpick you easily =))) Whats the counter ? Wards and positioning, es initiation has the range of any normal blink initiator, except that he doesn't need to get a blink dagger and he needs to get up close if he actually wants to do something other than stun in a straight line
The counter to getting killed maybe. Im not sure how you're gonna win games by sitting outside his initiation range though, that ticking gold/second doesnt seem to go very fast to me.
If anything the counter is probably to setup your lanes in a way that you outnumber the ES lane or at least have strong enough heroes that can deal with his initiation and punish him for trying it. And thats often easier said than done.
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On January 17 2014 05:02 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 04:55 Erasme wrote:On January 17 2014 04:51 zezamer wrote:
ES isnt OP because if you insta lock him opponents can counterpick you easily =))) Whats the counter ? 5-man DC
I laughed out loud in front of customers, damn you!
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es has no counters, i was just kidding
that 5man dc strat seems pretty good tho
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im happy being able to go 36-6 after being 0-4 at min 5 due to an es raping me.
ppl, when in a winning position, usually get too cocky and overestimate their limits.
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