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On December 07 2013 21:04 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 19:59 idonthinksobro wrote:On December 07 2013 18:45 r.Evo wrote:On December 07 2013 17:56 toemn wrote:Hope this comes before Christmas break. Gonna play ranked all day, post my score on every online forum there is and insult my friends for their low rating. No seriously. Praise Valve for ignoring all the ignorant people and doing what they think is best for the game. A week ago I got flame to death for this post: Two steps in order to make Dota a 10/10 game:
- Region Locking
- Seperate ranking ladder Such visionary. Wow. They didn't call it region locking explicitly but essentially that's what they are doing atleast for ranked mode. How exactly is region locking beneficial for a game? Unless you want to sell your shit multiple times (Blizzard) or your servers can't handle the population (Riot EU)? because it sucks to have people in your game you can't communicate with that choose wrong servers on purpose to ruin everyones experience. That's why you can queue for specific languages. If people want to "ruin your experience on purpose" they will find a way, no matter where they are from.
if they just add a filter, "ban russian/brazilian/whatever ips from my games" that would be more than enough. I doubt that the average person will buy a vpn to fuck people over, they just care about 5 seconds less queue time and don't care that they ruin games.
/E queuing for specific language settings does nothing.
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I never saw this coming, at least not this soon. This will be interesting.
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Now if they can make it so I don't have to queue with Russians that don't speak one bit English.
Theres going to be so much rage from it if it's not implemented with this update. ^^
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On December 07 2013 12:41 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +We also track our uncertainty about your MMR. New accounts and those playing in Ranked Matchmaking for the first time have high uncertainty. Higher uncertainty allows larger adjustments after each match, and lower uncertainty leads to smaller adjustments. Together, the MMR and uncertainty can be interpreted as a probability distribution of performance in your next game; the MMR itself serves as the mean of this distribution and the uncertainty is its standard deviation. If the match outcomes (both the win/loss and individual performance) repeatedly match our expectations, the uncertainty tends to decrease until it reaches a floor. A surprising match outcome will tend to cause an increase in uncertainty. I like this. I like it a lot.
SC2 does this, too. (& LoL, I think)
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On December 07 2013 20:52 Bumblebee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 20:51 Teton wrote:On December 07 2013 20:49 Bumblebee wrote:On December 07 2013 20:46 Teton wrote:On December 07 2013 19:14 BurningSera wrote:On December 07 2013 18:25 TheEmulator wrote:On December 07 2013 18:15 Laurens wrote:On December 07 2013 17:28 TheEmulator wrote:
The most important thing (that is if ranked mmr is based off your normal mmr) is that a good player can't go play ranked on a new account and own the low ranks. Once he gets to 150 games he will be at a really high normal mmr, and will place higher initially when he enters ranked, instead of at the lower end.
edit: unless you purposefully lose 150 games in order to enter ranked at a low mmr. But then you're an idiot if you do that. Are you sure ranked MMR will be based on normal MMR? The article doesn't hint that it will. I think it will just be the 10 placement games and everyone starts with a clean slate. I'm not sure at all, that's why I said "that is if ranked mmr is based off your normal mmr". I think it will be that way, or at least in my mind it makes the most sense. But I have no idea  I am getting this impression that everyone will have a clean start with ranked game because technically all the games we played are not ranked. Matches played in normal matchmaking do not impact your ranked matchmaking MMR, and vice versa.
When you first start using ranked matchmaking, you will enter a calibration phase of 10 games. During this time, your ranked MMR will not be visible. And that makes sense too, because what's the point if we used current mmr (which is a mess) as a baseline for ranked game's mmr :S I am just so damn happy that we will get solo mmr, too many people just purposely stack with tryhards and brag about them mmr. And i hope they will include some sort of hero score too so people who can only play very few heroes will be noted too. Current MMR is fine, do you realise they will be using the same system for ranked? I, for once, think the base mmr in ranked (for your first game)should be your normal mmr I disagree with this because people will have a different approach to ranked games and normal games. Whatever you've done in an unranked setting should not reflect your ranked setting. So people at the top of the current unranked ladder have to carry plebs (or lose because of them) to get back to ther curent level in ranked? Yep. Just like in any other game.
Seeing that TMM takes into account the average mmr of your team in normals, i dont see why they wouldnt do the same thing in ranked.
Also never a fan of dividing the community, it'll lead to arguabely worse matchmaking
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On December 07 2013 21:35 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 20:52 Bumblebee wrote:On December 07 2013 20:51 Teton wrote:On December 07 2013 20:49 Bumblebee wrote:On December 07 2013 20:46 Teton wrote:On December 07 2013 19:14 BurningSera wrote:On December 07 2013 18:25 TheEmulator wrote:On December 07 2013 18:15 Laurens wrote:On December 07 2013 17:28 TheEmulator wrote:
The most important thing (that is if ranked mmr is based off your normal mmr) is that a good player can't go play ranked on a new account and own the low ranks. Once he gets to 150 games he will be at a really high normal mmr, and will place higher initially when he enters ranked, instead of at the lower end.
edit: unless you purposefully lose 150 games in order to enter ranked at a low mmr. But then you're an idiot if you do that. Are you sure ranked MMR will be based on normal MMR? The article doesn't hint that it will. I think it will just be the 10 placement games and everyone starts with a clean slate. I'm not sure at all, that's why I said "that is if ranked mmr is based off your normal mmr". I think it will be that way, or at least in my mind it makes the most sense. But I have no idea I am getting this impression that everyone will have a clean start with ranked game because technically all the games we played are not ranked. Matches played in normal matchmaking do not impact your ranked matchmaking MMR, and vice versa.
When you first start using ranked matchmaking, you will enter a calibration phase of 10 games. During this time, your ranked MMR will not be visible. And that makes sense too, because what's the point if we used current mmr (which is a mess) as a baseline for ranked game's mmr :S I am just so damn happy that we will get solo mmr, too many people just purposely stack with tryhards and brag about them mmr. And i hope they will include some sort of hero score too so people who can only play very few heroes will be noted too. Current MMR is fine, do you realise they will be using the same system for ranked? I, for once, think the base mmr in ranked (for your first game)should be your normal mmr I disagree with this because people will have a different approach to ranked games and normal games. Whatever you've done in an unranked setting should not reflect your ranked setting. So people at the top of the current unranked ladder have to carry plebs (or lose because of them) to get back to ther curent level in ranked? Yep. Just like in any other game. Seeing that TMM takes into account the average mmr of your team in normals, i dont see why they wouldnt do the same thing in ranked. Also never a fan of dividing the community, it'll lead to arguabely worse matchmaking
Bro i know alot of people play2win and only stack with specific (tryhard) friends etc but some people (i think it is the majority, just guessing) for example like me stack with friends in all range of skill levels, ie current mmr of my main is messed up big time especially seeing that i started to play in November 2011, god knows how many times they changed their mmr system since then.
And valve knows that as well so it seems to be a no brainer to use our current mmr as a baseline for the ranked games. and well if they really did that then there is nothing we can do anyway. But the blog gave me the impression that they wont.
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I love that they made dat 150 games barrier so people don`t smurf.
That beeing said I hope they plan on resetting the MMR after a period of time because it will become boring playing vs the same people over and over.
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I don't care about ranked MM at all, in fact I even dislike having to try every game because the game matches me with similarly skilled people... but the way they are planning to go about it seems really well thought out. Props to Valve for addressing this, there's clearly a high demand.
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This is gonna be the best patch ever ! I never doubted valve but i kinda felt like they didnt want to implement this feature at all so im pleasantly surprised about it.
I dont get it why ppl are complaning about this? It doesnt remove anything from the game and its not forcing you to play on the ladder. Preety much the best outcome for everyone , the casuals willl still have their pub games like always and the more competetive players will have a ladder to play on .
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On December 07 2013 21:56 Pegas wrote:
I love that they made dat 150 games barrier so people don`t smurf.
You have to level up an account to level 30 to play ranked in LoL. It doesn't prevent people from smurfing.
On December 07 2013 21:56 Pegas wrote:
That beeing said I hope they plan on resetting the MMR after a period of time because it will become boring playing vs the same people over and over.
If there are enough people playing DotA2 this won't be a concern at any level of play other than the highest level. I'm not sure why you would worry about it.
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I mean you've got to have some serious issues if you're complaining about a ranked queue LMFAO
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On December 07 2013 21:56 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 21:35 Teton wrote:On December 07 2013 20:52 Bumblebee wrote:On December 07 2013 20:51 Teton wrote:On December 07 2013 20:49 Bumblebee wrote:On December 07 2013 20:46 Teton wrote:On December 07 2013 19:14 BurningSera wrote:On December 07 2013 18:25 TheEmulator wrote:On December 07 2013 18:15 Laurens wrote:On December 07 2013 17:28 TheEmulator wrote:
The most important thing (that is if ranked mmr is based off your normal mmr) is that a good player can't go play ranked on a new account and own the low ranks. Once he gets to 150 games he will be at a really high normal mmr, and will place higher initially when he enters ranked, instead of at the lower end.
edit: unless you purposefully lose 150 games in order to enter ranked at a low mmr. But then you're an idiot if you do that. Are you sure ranked MMR will be based on normal MMR? The article doesn't hint that it will. I think it will just be the 10 placement games and everyone starts with a clean slate. I'm not sure at all, that's why I said "that is if ranked mmr is based off your normal mmr". I think it will be that way, or at least in my mind it makes the most sense. But I have no idea I am getting this impression that everyone will have a clean start with ranked game because technically all the games we played are not ranked. Matches played in normal matchmaking do not impact your ranked matchmaking MMR, and vice versa.
When you first start using ranked matchmaking, you will enter a calibration phase of 10 games. During this time, your ranked MMR will not be visible. And that makes sense too, because what's the point if we used current mmr (which is a mess) as a baseline for ranked game's mmr :S I am just so damn happy that we will get solo mmr, too many people just purposely stack with tryhards and brag about them mmr. And i hope they will include some sort of hero score too so people who can only play very few heroes will be noted too. Current MMR is fine, do you realise they will be using the same system for ranked? I, for once, think the base mmr in ranked (for your first game)should be your normal mmr I disagree with this because people will have a different approach to ranked games and normal games. Whatever you've done in an unranked setting should not reflect your ranked setting. So people at the top of the current unranked ladder have to carry plebs (or lose because of them) to get back to ther curent level in ranked? Yep. Just like in any other game. Seeing that TMM takes into account the average mmr of your team in normals, i dont see why they wouldnt do the same thing in ranked. Also never a fan of dividing the community, it'll lead to arguabely worse matchmaking Bro i know alot of people play2win and only stack with specific (tryhard) friends etc but some people (i think it is the majority, just guessing) for example like me stack with friends in all range of skill levels, ie current mmr of my main is messed up big time especially seeing that i started to play in November 2011, god knows how many times they changed their mmr system since then. And valve knows that as well so it seems to be a no brainer to use our current mmr as a baseline for the ranked games. and well if they really did that then there is nothing we can do anyway. But the blog gave me the impression that they wont.
I'm for using the normal mmr as baseline or ranked because of the huge skill difference between pubstompers and plebs
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On December 07 2013 20:42 Bumblebee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 20:37 rob.au wrote:On December 07 2013 20:00 njt7 wrote:On December 07 2013 19:49 cortx wrote:
I don't get how people can not like this update... This is the best news ever! This is more important than new heros or anything that's been released for ages in my opinion!
Having a rank and knowing the people around you will be great for the community! I'm always playing solo Q and hope that this allows me to link up with other players to form teams etc. I'd love to get into some experienced groups and this is a easy winner to make that possible! Having a ranked solo queue will not help you find a team. Finding a team to play with is about social networking and taking initiatives. Or luck. Id gladly be convinced otherwise but I just don't see it. Top solo queue players get queued together often since there are less players at the top rating, which builds their social network. That's not really different from now...
I was going to make a big post explaining it all, but it's much more efficient and troll for me to say just look at the biggest and most successful moba, LoL.
The main reason it's different is like you said...
On December 07 2013 20:49 Bumblebee wrote:
people will have a different approach to ranked games and normal games.
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On December 07 2013 22:20 lolmlg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 21:56 Pegas wrote:
I love that they made dat 150 games barrier so people don`t smurf. You have to level up an account to level 30 to play ranked in LoL. It doesn't prevent people from smurfing.
That one was a bit sarcastic from me. They should remove it completly or just put 10 games as required.
On December 07 2013 22:20 lolmlg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 21:56 Pegas wrote:
That beeing said I hope they plan on resetting the MMR after a period of time because it will become boring playing vs the same people over and over. If there are enough people playing DotA2 this won't be a concern at any level of play other than the highest level. I'm not sure why you would worry about it.
With all competitive games as we see (not sure about LoL since I don`t play it), there is some sort of mechanism to make the top fresh again (sc2 has gm that is locked after a period of time with promotions and demotions ; some had ladders which reseted after a certain season ; etc). Sure this will not impact the casual play, but after you reach the middle of the MM points you will find the same people (for better or worst) which will not help you improve your game at all. That is my concern that it will become stangnant.
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Hopefully there's an option that allows you to hide it from your friends as well or else I'm going to delete everyone.
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On December 07 2013 22:53 TTCBlackWaltZ wrote:
Hopefully there's an option that allows you to hide it from your friends as well or else I'm going to delete everyone.
Bronze pool spotted.
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is it already live? I updated dota today, not sure if it was for the ranked MM?
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