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Please keep the QQ to a minimum if you do not like this update. We are happy to hear your reasoning for not liking a ranked system, but no "OMG VOLVO WHY" posts. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On December 07 2013 12:24 Heyoka wrote: Can you explain what sounds awful about this? How does turning TI into something more than an invite-only event make it worse? Because you'll get stomped once you face the pro teams and that's just not entertaining to watch. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On December 08 2013 00:58 zeo wrote: So you only get your MMR number? You don't get your exact spot on a list of all the dota players in the world? Shame Single Draft isn't in ranked  On that topic, it would be neat to have a top 500/200 list, grandmaster style. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 08 2013 01:00 Baarn wrote: Because you'll get stomped once you face the pro teams and that's just not entertaining to watch. Doesn't make much sense. The "pro" teams should be the ones at the top of the ladder but that's only in theory. Practically must be pretty hard to create a global ladder properly. | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
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JoeTheHoe
Switzerland106 Posts
On December 07 2013 22:56 JoeTheHoe wrote: is it already live? I updated dota today, not sure if it was for the ranked MM? ? | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
And those people who don't believe MMR is a good indicator of skill should probably never complain about getting unbalanced games even in unranked. They're all random then. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
The next major update will add a ranked matchmaking feature to the game. I'm sure it not be added in a random unnannouced update. Maybe next week. | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 07 2013 20:27 Bumblebee wrote: Arhhhhhhhh... I really love ranked matchmaking, it's like the number one thing I need in a game, but this is such a turn-off like.. I don't think there is any way you can use an algorithm to determine a players individual performance. What if the other team always buys the bait (and ultimate this guy die without kills and likely very little assists), but he did the exact job the team wanted him to do? It really doesn't make sense to rate people's individual performance in a win/loss scenario from an algorithm. That being said, this is going to be interesting. On December 07 2013 20:32 Bumblebee wrote: Also, it incentivises killstealing, taking the farm when you're not supposed to and stuff... It's just not good. :-( The 11 system ladder for DotA 1 in China actually does this sort of thing, and while these are all true, for the most part it just favors certain heroes and ways of playing the game. In particular, it favors heroes with high fight participation, which results in very fast-paced midgame fighting-oriented game, which in pubs is ultimately a good thing. | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 08 2013 01:00 Baarn wrote: Because you'll get stomped once you face the pro teams and that's just not entertaining to watch. Why wouldn't pro teams play TMM ladder if it had that as a prize? Basically every team that isn't invited to the qualifier will play. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 07 2013 20:48 Bumblebee wrote: Read the first post I made. It rates people's individual performance via an algorithm and that means you can go down in MMR even if you won a game. When it's ranked, people want to get higher MMR obviously. Since the determining factor is an algorithm to determine your performance, it definitely has something to do with KDA, XPM and GPM. :-) But I think that wins/losses will be by far the biggest determinant. So if you lose games because you were greedy, you'll overall probably go down. I'm not sure to what extent this is true, but that's the way I read it. "Win/loss is the primary criteria used to update MMR, but individual performance also plays a role, especially when our uncertainty about your MMR is high." So basically, if you're constantly winning games and going 20-0, you'll go up faster, because clearly the system isn't quite sure how good you are. If you perform "normally", wins/losses will mostly be representative of your MMR. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 08 2013 04:23 Pokebunny wrote: But I think that wins/losses will be by far the biggest determinant. So if you lose games because you were greedy, you'll overall probably go down. I'm not sure to what extent this is true, but that's the way I read it. "Win/loss is the primary criteria used to update MMR, but individual performance also plays a role, especially when our uncertainty about your MMR is high." So basically, if you're constantly winning games and going 20-0, you'll go up faster, because clearly the system isn't quite sure how good you are. If you perform "normally", wins/losses will mostly be representative of your MMR. Key words are "specially when our uncertainty about your MMR is high". It's a very efficient way to bump smurfs quickly to a higher MMR. For a regular player it really shouldn't be that relevant. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On December 07 2013 20:49 Bumblebee wrote: I disagree with this because people will have a different approach to ranked games and normal games. Whatever you've done in an unranked setting should not reflect your ranked setting. Agreed. Sometimes i try to win, sometimes i don't...i try to have fun all the time and play accordingly Although i think you assume too much in terms of how they rate individual performance, we just don't know | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 08 2013 04:32 Prplppleatr wrote: Agreed. Sometimes i try to win, sometimes i don't...i try to have fun all the time and play accordingly This has nothing to do with what he said though. The first game in ranked should 100% use your old MMR. It makes adjusting into your correct ranked MMR far easier. There's no reason make everyone start from scracth when you have something that is at least moderatelly acurate, even if both ranks will not end up being the same after a few games. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 08 2013 04:34 SKC wrote: This has nothing to do with what he said though. The first game in ranked should 100% use your old MMR. It makes adjusting into your correct ranked MMR far easier. There's no reason make everyone start from scracth when you have something that is at least moderatelly acurate, even if both ranks will not end up being the same after a few games. Yeah, starting with a general estimate of their ranking is a lot better than having absolutely no idea. Your uncertainty will be high, so you'll quickly adjust | ||
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Taters_
Finland123 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 08 2013 04:38 Taters_ wrote: Before you pass/reject the update, you should read the whole article from dota2 blog as the first post is only a part of the article. It seems like a good step (atleast) towards a balanced skill based mmr. I'm pretty sure it's not a step towards that, since he is talking about things that already exist. The only change is the addition of ranked. | ||
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