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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
i wouldn't mind western countries clearly distancing themself from those parts of the opposition. a comparison to syria might be farfetched still, but support democratic movements without including fascists factions in the opposition (wahabists et al in the case of syria). | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On February 22 2014 00:09 nunez wrote: unless they actually are fascists, like is the case with ukraine's far right. then it's a pretty good descriptor. i wouldn't mind western countries clearly distancing themself from those parts of the opposition. a comparison to syria might be farfetched still, but support democratic movements without including fascists factions in the opposition (wahabists et al in the case of syria). Well, the far right movement did not sign the agreement... That's a distinction already. But even then, in polite company one calls them the far right or right-wing extremists, rather than fascists. The reason for that is the rather peculiar specificity of the term `fascist', which makes it impossible to place them adequately on the right-left axis, as they borrow principles from either side. Furthermore, they generally require totalitarianism as the form of government, something that these groups clearly are not doing, no matter how unpleasant they are. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
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Evilmystic
Russian Federation266 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9288 Posts
On February 22 2014 02:16 Evilmystic wrote: Already acting in accordance with the restored 2004 Consitution parliamentaries voted to dismiss acting interior minister Zakharchenko, who is blamed for the escalation of violence, it's rumored that he's currently fleeing the country. They've also passed a law that decriminalizes actions for which Yulia Tymoshenko has been convicted, though it still should be signed by Yanukovich to come in force. Speaking of Tymoshenko, is she still very popular in Ukraine? She and the whole "orange revolution" crew seems to be very unreliable. I hope Ukrainians will choose better leaders this time. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On February 22 2014 02:41 Shiragaku wrote: A Journeyman Pictures documentary. No wonder you hold such views zeo Yawn, I guess its easier to ad hominem and argue a fallacy fallacy than actually contribute anything. Pages and pages of personal attacks and mumbling 'conspiracy theory' at anything you people don't like, only shows how little substance you people have. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 22 2014 02:52 zeo wrote: Yawn, I guess its easier to ad hominem and argue a fallacy fallacy than actually contribute anything. And what do you contribute to the thread besides your hatred for the protesters and endless assumptions? P.S. Ukraine has won it's first gold medal on Winter Olympics in 20 years. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 22 2014 02:41 Sent. wrote: Speaking of Tymoshenko, is she still very popular in Ukraine? She and the whole "orange revolution" crew seems to be very unreliable. I hope Ukrainians will choose better leaders this time. After what regime of Yanukovich has done to her she would be most useful for bringing it down. Especially in making sure that everyone who was part of that incredibly corrupt government is held responsible. In situations like this one there is always a threat that the responsibility for the crimes of the past will be bought out. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22186 Posts
On February 22 2014 03:17 Cheerio wrote: SBU actually started doing something useful. They published information that some politics are trying to organize the separatist movements and were holding negotiations with the representatives of other countries. They also said they are looking into it and would be reacting to neuralize the threats for the integrity of the country. ah the hypocrisy. you know people are doing fishy bullshit when they use term like "the integrity of the country". Its like Russia condemning the EU sanctions as blackmail while offering billions of dollars if the government beats down the protesters.... | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
Maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea to give some of the eastern regions the possibility to secede and join Russia via a referendum or something similar to create a country where the majority of people actually have similar political interests. It might be hard to end a marriage but sometimes a divorce is the only healthy option for all involved (#FreeScotland). | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 22 2014 03:28 Gorsameth wrote: ah the hypocrisy. you know people are doing fishy bullshit when they use term like "the integrity of the country". Its like Russia condemning the EU sanctions as blackmail while offering billions of dollars if the government beats down the protesters.... These are the latest events. So those lines are directed towards the Eastern Ukraine and Crimea who have been threatening to break away from Ukraine if the "extremists" win. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 22 2014 03:31 Maenander wrote: I just don't see how the Ukraine can stabilize with a population that is so divided. Maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea to give some of the eastern regions the possibility to secede and join Russia via a referendum or something similar to create a country where the majority of people actually have similar political interests. It might be hard to end a marriage but sometimes a divorce is the only healthy option for all involved (#FreeScotland). Well this is why keeping Yanukovich as a puppet President is actually a smart thing to do. | ||
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Evilmystic
Russian Federation266 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
Classic Russians. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On February 21 2014 22:19 Ghanburighan wrote: So the only party unhappy with the resolution is Russia  having your puppet thrown out of power two separate times must sting. | ||
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Evilmystic
Russian Federation266 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:15 Sub40APM wrote: Russian ambassador to the EU: "This was a coup!" Classic Russians. Double standards in politics aren't exactly Russian invention. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On February 22 2014 04:17 Evilmystic wrote: Double standards in politics aren't exactly Russian invention. So what? | ||
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