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On February 20 2014 22:07 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 21:58 Sokrates wrote:On February 20 2014 21:39 Saryph wrote:On February 20 2014 21:35 BlackCompany wrote:On February 20 2014 21:31 Sent. wrote:
I can't belive they're using live ammunition. I hope it won't turn into another Syria or Russian intervention. Whats even more shocking to me is that they even shoot people trying to help the wounded. I can understand if the police shoots at poeple who are about to throws molotows at them ( of course they shouldnt use live ammunition but if they have nothing else its understandable that they try to save their lives aswell) but i dont know how you can shoot people trying to help.. Earlier in this thread there were photos of the police throwing molotov cocktails at protesters. It's horrible that they're shooting at medics, unarmed protesters, and those trying to help the wounded, but not really surprising to me anymore. There is a reason they're trying to remove these horrible people from power. And a reason Putin is supporting the government. Well the protesters arent very civil either, there are two sides of the coin. It is a bit more diverse than you might think. That said literally nothing except insinuating bad things about the protesters.
Sigh, barely any people left on the street support Ukraine going into the EU, all of them are ether hard nationalists who long for the time when their grandparents sucked Hitlers cock during the war, even harder nazi's imported from Lviv to destroy things in Kiev, Che Guevara wannabees, hooligans and all around filth of Ukrainian society. These are not 'helpless people', helpless people do not kill 15 police officers in full riot gear with bullet proof vests and shields. Paramilitary organizations arming themselves with guns and bombs are within the 'protesters' and that is why the police have live rounds, that is why people are dieing.
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They are holding the country hostage. Normal people in Ukraine want them out and its the duty of the government to protect the people from these bandits whose only purpose in life is to vandalize and to destroy the property of the people of Ukraine. Is the government doing a good job? No. Is sending people to die and bringing ruin to your country even though elections are 12 months away? For fucks sake, get these animals off the street.
The people of Sevastopol are already saying they will exit Ukraine if the bandits on the street take power. No one in their right mind would want to live in the desolation Ukraine will become if the bandits take over
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Shut the fuck up zeo. You always seem to know everything about these situations no matter where it takes place. The truth is that you don't actually know a fucking thing.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it.
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You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
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On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it.
I don't like Yanukovich
On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea
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lets not pretend we aren't familiar with eastern european neo-nazist hooligans...
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Just rear your ugly thinking head any further. But don't be surprised if the people here won't take you seriously anymore.
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On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea
You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures.
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On February 21 2014 00:38 Schmobutzen wrote:
Just rear your ugly thinking head any further. But don't be surprised if the people here won't take you seriously anymore.
People will take whatever they want to hear seriously and discard the rest. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, be it a circlejerk one or one that came to independently by looking at the whole picture. Disagreeing is normal. Again, people dieing is a bad thing, nobody wants that. I feel the 'protesters' need to pull back to stop the violence, someone else thinks the government needs to pull back, and I respect that.
edit: I don't stoop so low as to insult people for having an opinion.
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On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures.
There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremly violent.
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On February 21 2014 00:47 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 00:38 Schmobutzen wrote:
Just rear your ugly thinking head any further. But don't be surprised if the people here won't take you seriously anymore. People will take whatever they want to hear seriously and discard the rest. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, be it a circlejerk one or one that came to independently by looking at the whole picture. Disagreeing is normal
This is what you present, an opinion. Yours is even more anecdotal than most others. You can't seriously wave this crap around hoping someone would agree, especially when the statements are beyond silly.
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zeo, you sound so much like Russian government. Do you watch their mass media by any chance, it would explain your brainwashed posts.
Until you go here and see it with your own eyes your words are as good as those of random internet troll.
Hooligans and "radicals" are not limited to western Ukraine or even Ukraine at all. There are some radical people in Kiev that came from western Ukraine, no doubt. But all the evidences available so far show that large majority of them are coming to Kiev from eastern pro-russia Ukraine.
On February 20 2014 23:43 Sokrates wrote:
Soldiers on the way to euromaidan atm?
Yes. Yesterday 500 paratroopers (which are also used as a special military forces in Ukraine) with full equipment were sent to Kiev.
Additionally, earlier this morning there were reports that 40 wagons of military personnel were sent to Kiev from Kremenchuk (central-eastern Ukraine).
As I've said earlier, yanukovych had no intention to solve this conflict peacefully right from the start.
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On February 21 2014 00:49 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures. There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremly violent.
I have no doubt there are. What does it imply? That some people are insane? Should the government respond with shooting the crowd if "some protesters" are violent? Is that how police deals with violence generally, lol?
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On February 21 2014 00:52 usedtocare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 00:49 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures. There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremly violent. I have no doubt there are. What does it imply? That some people are insane? Should the government respond with shooting the crowd if "some protesters" are violent? Is that how police deals with violence generally, lol?
It implies that the situation is out of control. There are no "right" calls here only less harmfull ones.
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On February 21 2014 00:49 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures. There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremely violent.
There have been several reports of govt. controlled provocateurs (Titushky) who's role is to incite violence so that the police can move in. + Show Spoiler [see these articles for example] +
But as of today, it's clear that the protesters are taking on deadlier weapons to defend themselves from the police, there have been reports of sniper rifles, large quantities of molotov's, etc. In Western Ukraine, someone looted a military armory and stole tens of pistols. So, this situation will become way bloodier.
But the responsibility for this lies squarely on the govt., they used incredibly violent means to try to push protesters out of Maidan, something that every decent leader in the world has condemned. It didn't even lead to a positive result for the govt. for they failed, and now the protesters use more violence as well.
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On February 21 2014 01:00 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 00:52 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:49 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures. There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremly violent. I have no doubt there are. What does it imply? That some people are insane? Should the government respond with shooting the crowd if "some protesters" are violent? Is that how police deals with violence generally, lol? It implies that the situation is out of control. There are no "right" calls here only less harmfull ones.
That's nonsense; telling government snipers to avoid shooting medics is the "right" call, and that's as obvious as it gets.
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On February 21 2014 00:12 wingpawn wrote:
It's XXI century.
We're in Europe, western civilization.
I can't believe 400 miles east from me, cops are allowed to shoot to death random people. What kind of people they are? What they are even fighting for? It boggles my mind when I try to think about it. Isn't the time for army to step up and do something?
And no one seems to give a fuck, that's the worst of it. There shouldn't be any police force in any civilized country allowed to pull this kind of shit. Neither Russia nor the EU aren't doing anything meaningful while people with a damn red cross on their chest are getting shot.
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On February 21 2014 01:00 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 00:52 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:49 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures. There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremly violent. I have no doubt there are. What does it imply? That some people are insane? Should the government respond with shooting the crowd if "some protesters" are violent? Is that how police deals with violence generally, lol? It implies that the situation is out of control. There are no "right" calls here only less harmfull ones.
I'd say that withdrawing the police and beginning earnest negotiations with the opposition sounds like a 'right' call, especially when compared to shooting random people.
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good news is that she survived according to euromaidan twitter.
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Sadly, this will result in a few additional dozens or hundreds of casualties with no viable results, even if the president announces and loses emergency elections, nothing will change. He will lose anyway whenever his term is up.
The "revolutionary wave" didn't help Egypt or Syria, it's not gonna help in this case either.
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