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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On February 20 2014 06:44 BlackCompany wrote: german newspaper (mostly trash news but their big news are almost always true) just reported they agreed to a truce and try to negotiate actually yes, they did. The situation in Kyiv will probably calm down a bit. But that is unlikely to satisfy the people in Western and Centeral Ukraine. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9319 Posts
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mijagi182
Poland797 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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MyrMindservant
695 Posts
On February 20 2014 08:43 Sent. wrote: I think preterm elections are necessary to solve this conflict peacefully. I don't think it is possible to call any conclusion as "solved peacefully" after so many people were killed. Around ~30 people were killed since 18 of february, and that's only according to official sources which are controlled by government. In reality this number is probably several times higher. Ukrainian people won't be satisfied by just an elections at this point, I know I won't be satisfied by it as one of them. We want to, at least, throw yanukovych and other higher-ups who are responsible for all this into jail. He knows this as well, that's why he isn't even trying to solve things peacefully. I think that he wants to divide Ukraine in two, so he could remain in power at pro-russian part. On February 20 2014 09:51 Djzapz wrote: I really wonder what's on the other side of this mess. If it's Svoboda or their type, it might not be much better. Many people outside of Ukraine don't understand this, but this has nothing to do with Svoboda and their agenda. Just as it has nothing to do with other opposition parties or EU and Russia. Not anymore. People don't care about them at this point, we are fighting against corrupt dictatorship government, and "Bandit" as its head (yanukovych is a two times convicted criminal, he even sat in jail for robbery when he was young; it's still hard to understand for me how we managed to elect him as a president). | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:51 Djzapz wrote: The other side of it is probably a plurality of voters wanting to elect a pro-reform government but being stuck with a bunch of same old same olds. If you are Ukrainian and you are sitting in your country as the population continues to shrink you cant help but feel anger when you look at Poland or Slovakia and how they got over a corrupt judiciary and sclerotic economy and moved forward. The problem is its unclear how far Ukrainians are willing to suffer for it -- and I dont mean in these battles against the elements of the state loyal to Yanukovich -- but in terms of massive reforms Ukraine has to undergo, probably including prolonged unemployment for a lot of people in the industrial areas who are already naturally pro-Russia. I really wonder what's on the other side of this mess. If it's Svoboda or their type, it might not be much better. | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
Because it seems as if this is playing into Yanukowichs cards greatly, he can say that he wanted to negotiate but the oh so bad demonstrants started the fighting again - therefor we fight back! Sucks, i hoped they would atleast stop killing each other while searching for a solution | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
"Spokesman 4 Ukraine's national Olympic committee tells BBC half of 45 athletes at Sochi returning home following latest violence #Euromaidan — Vitalii Sediuk (@VitaliiSediuk) 20. Februar 2014" | ||
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Gotard
Poland446 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Reports coming in of at least 25 killed this morning. + Show Spoiler [Extremely graphic content inside] + | ||
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Sent.
Poland9319 Posts
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On February 20 2014 21:31 Sent. wrote: I can't belive they're using live ammunition. I hope it won't turn into another Syria or Russian intervention. Whats even more shocking to me is that they even shoot people trying to help the wounded. I can understand if the police shoots at poeple who are about to throws molotows at them ( of course they shouldnt use live ammunition but if they have nothing else its understandable that they try to save their lives aswell) but i dont know how you can shoot people trying to help.. | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On February 20 2014 21:35 BlackCompany wrote: Whats even more shocking to me is that they even shoot people trying to help the wounded. I can understand if the police shoots at poeple who are about to throws molotows at them ( of course they shouldnt use live ammunition but if they have nothing else its understandable that they try to save their lives aswell) but i dont know how you can shoot people trying to help.. Earlier in this thread there were photos of the police throwing molotov cocktails at protesters. It's horrible that they're shooting at medics, unarmed protesters, and those trying to help the wounded, but not really surprising to me anymore. There is a reason they're trying to remove these horrible people from power. And a reason Putin is supporting the government. | ||
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Sokrates
738 Posts
On February 20 2014 21:39 Saryph wrote: Earlier in this thread there were photos of the police throwing molotov cocktails at protesters. It's horrible that they're shooting at medics, unarmed protesters, and those trying to help the wounded, but not really surprising to me anymore. There is a reason they're trying to remove these horrible people from power. And a reason Putin is supporting the government. Well the protesters arent very civil either, there are two sides of the coin. It is a bit more diverse than you might think. | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On February 20 2014 21:58 Sokrates wrote: Well the protesters arent very civil either, there are two sides of the coin. It is a bit more diverse than you might think. I'm not sure where you live, but I personally don't find it acceptable under any circumstance for police to throw gasoline bombs at people, or for police snipers to fire live ammunition at medics, or fire live ammunition indiscriminately into crowds (such as the video from L'viv). The police are supposed to protect the people from those who would do such things. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On February 20 2014 21:58 Sokrates wrote: Well the protesters arent very civil either, there are two sides of the coin. It is a bit more diverse than you might think. That said literally nothing except insinuating bad things about the protesters. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22472 Posts
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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