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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Watching this live, looks like something out of the start of gladiator. Burnt out black battlefield with a line of shields | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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whiteLotus
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 19 2014 23:50 whiteLotus wrote: it was just announced that Ukrainian security forces will be starting "anti-terrorism operation" I don't think that sounds very promising... | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10974 Posts
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:47 Velr wrote: Taking a page out of the US books... "Anti-Terrorism"... Nice try, but we didn't write that book. Heinous state sponsored acts in the name of counter terrorism have been going on for hundreds of years. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:56 farvacola wrote: Nice try, but we didn't write that book. Heinous state sponsored acts in the name of counter terrorism have been going on for hundreds of years. Not under that name. That is all your doing. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:58 -Archangel- wrote: Not under that name. That is all your doing. That's nonsense; you might want to read up on the British Special Branch before pointing stupid linguistic fingers. | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
On February 20 2014 01:01 farvacola wrote: That's nonsense; you might want to read up on the British Special Branch before pointing stupid linguistic fingers. Northern Ireland much? | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13429 Posts
I also feel bad for the cops, they are in really dangerous situations and all they wanted to do when they took the job was protect people  | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On February 20 2014 01:01 farvacola wrote: That's nonsense; you might want to read up on the British Special Branch before pointing stupid linguistic fingers. General world public does not care for details. In the future USA during Bush younger and afterwards is going to remembered for this no matter how many history books you produce that say otherwise. Same as many events where people being remembered as first were not really first. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13429 Posts
On February 20 2014 01:31 -Archangel- wrote: General world public does not care for details. In the future USA during Bush younger and afterwards is going to remembered for this no matter how many history books you produce that say otherwise. Same as many events where people being remembered as first were not really first. You've got a point there the terrorism rhetoric was very strong with them and it solidified the George Bush administration for years in American Politics. Furthermore it lead to a number of international campaigns and wars. Add in the fact its a perfect example of governmentality and its hard to seperate the terrorism rhetoric from that administration. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13429 Posts
On February 20 2014 01:48 farvacola wrote: No one is going to dispute the association between the past 20 years of US military action and the guise of "counter-terrorism" under which it was justified. That does not make claims of "y'all Americans started it" any less wrong. I'm saying it is so iconic of the US political approach in modern history that its very easily going to be associated with the US in history and often the best example is easiest remembered. Consider the Eugenics movement of Germany's Nazi Regime circa WW2. Hitler based his eugenics from early socialist policies on Canadian policies in the late 20s and early 30s. No one remembers the Canadian eugenics, just the more politically powerful and world history impactful eugenics. With regards to modern history that is. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2349 Posts
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On February 20 2014 01:57 ZeromuS wrote: I'm saying it is so iconic of the US political approach in modern history that its very easily going to be associated with the US in history and often the best example is easiest remembered. Consider the Eugenics movement of Germany's Nazi Regime circa WW2. Hitler based his eugenics from early socialist policies on Canadian policies in the late 20s and early 30s. No one remembers the Canadian eugenics, just the more politically powerful and world history impactful eugenics. With regards to modern history that is. You've clearly never gotten into disagreements with anti-Planned Parenthood folks if you think NA eugenics are unremembered. Regardless, you cannot see the Eiffel Tower from the Eiffel Tower, and your entire spiel would hold a lot more water if you labeled it "popular history" because the record of what has happened looks rather different depending on the direction from which one understands it. Like I said, the US's association with anti-terror justificationism does not make claims as to that phenomena's source any more or less true. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On February 20 2014 01:59 hitthat wrote: Few more wasted, and it all turn into less about politics and more about retaliation... I'm sure if anyone on this forum got a posse together and attacked their local military base, or police station, or secret service office, I highly doubt you or the people with you wouldn't get shot. Of course this has nothing to do with politics. In any serious country violent full scale rioting is met with violence, you don't let 20,000 people hold a country of 40-50 million hostage. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On February 20 2014 02:12 zeo wrote: I'm sure if anyone on this forum got a posse together and attacked their local military base, or police station, or secret service office, I highly doubt you or the people with you wouldn't get shot. Of course this has nothing to do with politics. In any serious country violent full scale rioting is met with violence, you don't let 20,000 people hold a country of 40-50 million hostage. Throwing cocktais at police squads is a heavy crime, same with attacking military bases and governmental buildings, by the laws, a police officer may shoot directly on he's attacker, when he's life is indanger, how many riots was shot during 3 months of striking? And some of them dare to say about anti-civil illegal actions from Berkut's side, they don't even think how many ppl would be already dead if Police could follow the laws clearly, without any regrets. So basicly and attempt of throwing a cocktail is death for riot as result. Yesterday we had a news, when a young riot guy died under the water canon vehicle, he was trying to throw a cocktail inside the cab of the truck, but suddenly he slipped on cobblestone, and was smashed by the truck, although a truck driver could stop, he didn't. I tryed to imagine what would I do on the drivers place, and came to a conclusion that I also would not stop, cause two seconds ago those guy behind my vehicle was trying to kill me. Than I tryed to imagine what those young riot thought about in his last seconds of life...Well, I feel bad for him, such a loser, died for nothing, gave his life for some idiots who doesn't even have a single strong leader. And I'm sure that if something identical could happen on the territory of EU, there could be much more victims from riots side. Acting like barbarians eventually may cause a civil war as a worst possible result. | ||
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