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On February 21 2014 01:03 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:00 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:52 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:49 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures. There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremly violent. I have no doubt there are. What does it imply? That some people are insane? Should the government respond with shooting the crowd if "some protesters" are violent? Is that how police deals with violence generally, lol? It implies that the situation is out of control. There are no "right" calls here only less harmfull ones. That's nonsense; telling government snipers to avoid shooting medics is the "right" call, and that's as obvious as it gets.
I dont think the goverment told them to shoot medics.
On February 21 2014 01:04 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:00 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:52 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:49 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures. There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremly violent. I have no doubt there are. What does it imply? That some people are insane? Should the government respond with shooting the crowd if "some protesters" are violent? Is that how police deals with violence generally, lol? It implies that the situation is out of control. There are no "right" calls here only less harmfull ones. I'd say that withdrawing the police and beginning earnest negotiations with the opposition sounds like a 'right' call, especially when compared to shooting random people.
Didnt they negotiate a truce? And i dont think all protesters give a fuck about "the opposition" they all follow different interests.
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the protesters have snipers too
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On February 21 2014 01:08 xM(Z wrote:
the protesters have snipers too
If you call untrained ppl with hunting rifles snipers, then yeah, they have snipers
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On February 21 2014 01:07 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:03 farvacola wrote:On February 21 2014 01:00 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:52 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:49 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures. There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremly violent. I have no doubt there are. What does it imply? That some people are insane? Should the government respond with shooting the crowd if "some protesters" are violent? Is that how police deals with violence generally, lol? It implies that the situation is out of control. There are no "right" calls here only less harmfull ones. That's nonsense; telling government snipers to avoid shooting medics is the "right" call, and that's as obvious as it gets. I dont think the goverment told them to shoot medics. Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:04 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 21 2014 01:00 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:52 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:49 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures. There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremly violent. I have no doubt there are. What does it imply? That some people are insane? Should the government respond with shooting the crowd if "some protesters" are violent? Is that how police deals with violence generally, lol? It implies that the situation is out of control. There are no "right" calls here only less harmfull ones. I'd say that withdrawing the police and beginning earnest negotiations with the opposition sounds like a 'right' call, especially when compared to shooting random people. Didnt they negotiate a truce? And i dont think all protesters give a fuck about "the opposition" they all follow different interests.
No, they didn't negotiate anything. They declared a `truce' i.e., they said they would no longer try to storm the protesters at Maidan. This immediately collapsed as the police were not withdrawn. Remember, the protesters are not attacking anything, they're not trying win ground, it doesn't make sense for the gov. to ask them for a truce as the gov. not doing anything is the same as the truce itself. The protesters have been protesting there for months, if the police is withdrawn, there's no need for a truce.
And if you want to show proof that the protesters would not leave Maidan when the heads of the opposition get what they want, feel free. Without, it's empty words.
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On February 21 2014 01:07 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:03 farvacola wrote:On February 21 2014 01:00 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:52 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:49 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures. There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremly violent. I have no doubt there are. What does it imply? That some people are insane? Should the government respond with shooting the crowd if "some protesters" are violent? Is that how police deals with violence generally, lol? It implies that the situation is out of control. There are no "right" calls here only less harmfull ones. That's nonsense; telling government snipers to avoid shooting medics is the "right" call, and that's as obvious as it gets. I dont think the goverment told them to shoot medics. Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:04 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 21 2014 01:00 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:52 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:49 Sokrates wrote:On February 21 2014 00:46 usedtocare wrote:On February 21 2014 00:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:20 farvacola wrote:
Nice try, but posting a few indiscriminate photos alongside sourceless rhetoric does not do anything other than make you look like a Yanukovich shill. The moment you and the opposition realize that those who have taken to the streets are more than bandits and "animals", the situation can begin to improve. Until then, keep on sucking the authority's cock, as you so eloquently put it. I don't like Yanukovich On February 21 2014 00:22 Schmobutzen wrote:
You, Sir are full of shit.
You are not willing to look behind your curtains. I pitty you! Yes there are fascists and extremists under the protesting people. But not only!!! Look at the videos and you will see all kind of people.
Just refrain from posting here further!
If you got into a protest knowing full well there are armed nazi's, hooligans and paramilitaries around you don't be surprised when you get shot, I am sorry you got shot, maybe you are a good person but you were brainwashed into thinking going to a protest with armed people around you ready to shoot at police was a good idea You sound like a clown. Probably not a serbian either, but someone from russia, lol. When you choose to be ignorant there's very little that people can do to help you. Go google some more pictures. There are also pictures and videos of protesters that are extremly violent. I have no doubt there are. What does it imply? That some people are insane? Should the government respond with shooting the crowd if "some protesters" are violent? Is that how police deals with violence generally, lol? It implies that the situation is out of control. There are no "right" calls here only less harmfull ones. I'd say that withdrawing the police and beginning earnest negotiations with the opposition sounds like a 'right' call, especially when compared to shooting random people. Didnt they negotiate a truce? And i dont think all protesters give a fuck about "the opposition" they all follow different interests.
The truce lasted like a few hours. Then both sides accused each other of breaking it and the violence continued.
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On February 21 2014 01:04 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 00:12 wingpawn wrote:
It's XXI century.
We're in Europe, western civilization.
I can't believe 400 miles east from me, cops are allowed to shoot to death random people. What kind of people they are? What they are even fighting for? It boggles my mind when I try to think about it. Isn't the time for army to step up and do something? And no one seems to give a fuck, that's the worst of it. There shouldn't be any police force in any civilized country allowed to pull this kind of shit. Neither Russia nor the EU aren't doing anything meaningful while people with a damn red cross on their chest are getting shot.
It's easy to judge them but let's not forget the dark times Western Europe had a few years ago.
Just after the war, the French police murdered immigrants by pushing them into the Seine. France was inches away of having another revolution in 68 when De Gaulle had the choice to send the Army marching right into Paris and turning an student revolt into a bloodbath.
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On February 21 2014 01:17 Uriel_SVK wrote:If you call untrained ppl with hunting rifles snipers, then yeah, they have snipers
Don't they have military service in Ukraine? And a "hunting rifle" kills just as well.
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On February 21 2014 01:04 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 00:12 wingpawn wrote:
It's XXI century.
We're in Europe, western civilization.
I can't believe 400 miles east from me, cops are allowed to shoot to death random people. What kind of people they are? What they are even fighting for? It boggles my mind when I try to think about it. Isn't the time for army to step up and do something? And no one seems to give a fuck, that's the worst of it. There shouldn't be any police force in any civilized country allowed to pull this kind of shit. Neither Russia nor the EU aren't doing anything meaningful while people with a damn red cross on their chest are getting shot.
Meanwhile the government in Turkey is using tear gas and water cannons to disperse protesters in Ankara. People being sent to prison for 2 years for chanting slogans deemed 'offensive' to Erdogan and you have complete media blackout in the world.
It all depends on what side of NATO you are on. If the things going on in Ukraine had nothing to do with Russia absolutely no fucks would be given, people would care about it as if it were happening somewhere in Africa. Anyway, I think this picture is interesting (not sure if posted):
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On February 21 2014 01:23 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:04 r.Evo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:12 wingpawn wrote:
It's XXI century.
We're in Europe, western civilization.
I can't believe 400 miles east from me, cops are allowed to shoot to death random people. What kind of people they are? What they are even fighting for? It boggles my mind when I try to think about it. Isn't the time for army to step up and do something? And no one seems to give a fuck, that's the worst of it. There shouldn't be any police force in any civilized country allowed to pull this kind of shit. Neither Russia nor the EU aren't doing anything meaningful while people with a damn red cross on their chest are getting shot. Meanwhile the government in Turkey is using tear gas and water cannons to disperse protesters in Ankara. People being sent to prison for 2 years for chanting slogans deemed 'offensive' to Erdogan and you have complete media blackout in the world. It all depends on what side of NATO you are on. If the things going on in Ukraine had nothing to do with Russia absolutely no fucks would be given, people would care about it as if it were happening somewhere in Africa. Anyway, I think this picture is interesting (not sure if posted): + Show Spoiler +
Nonsense, the same people heavily criticizing Yanukovich (e.g. front-man from Sweden, Carl Bildt) are vocal critics of Erdogan and his turn against free press. It's been all over the news and twitterverse.
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@ zeo: No, you don't pull a low one, like me, in insulting someone for their opinion. But you insult the legitimacy of a whole group of protesters - and your own intelligence.
@xM(Z and Sokrates: It is nothing but a burden to tell what one group and the other do and to justify each behavior with the actions of the other group!
The government has the right and the duty to save its people from harm, especially if there are protests and demonstrations. That they did until the second half of december, when they started to storm the tents and heavy handed slap the opposition. And to add insult to injury, they make laws, that are like a second slap to the protesting people! That is one hard to swallow provocation. They should have protested peacefully further, but the radicals sensed their hour. That was a shame and should have been prevented. The police have every right to take good measures to prevent these powers from harming anyone. But. There are ways and there are ways - berkut and police took the easy root, with agent de provocateurs and have-ready-snipers. And now shooting at medics? C'mon, zeo and Sokrates and likeminded, don't let yourself be fooled!
As another poster said: Any decent human beeing in control woud have announced elections.
Edit: stupid lost sentence... and spelling
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On February 21 2014 01:29 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:04 r.Evo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:12 wingpawn wrote:
It's XXI century.
We're in Europe, western civilization.
I can't believe 400 miles east from me, cops are allowed to shoot to death random people. What kind of people they are? What they are even fighting for? It boggles my mind when I try to think about it. Isn't the time for army to step up and do something? And no one seems to give a fuck, that's the worst of it. There shouldn't be any police force in any civilized country allowed to pull this kind of shit. Neither Russia nor the EU aren't doing anything meaningful while people with a damn red cross on their chest are getting shot. Meanwhile the government in Turkey is using tear gas and water cannons to disperse protesters in Ankara. People being sent to prison for 2 years for chanting slogans deemed 'offensive' to Erdogan and you have complete media blackout in the world. It all depends on what side of NATO you are on. If the things going on in Ukraine had nothing to do with Russia absolutely no fucks would be given, people would care about it as if it were happening somewhere in Africa. Anyway, I think this picture is interesting (not sure if posted): + Show Spoiler + Nonsense, the same people heavily criticizing Yanukovich (e.g. front-man from Sweden, Carl Bildt) are vocal critics of Erdogan and his turn against free press. It's been all over the news and twitterverse.
So in fact they are doing nothing, typing in 'condemnation' in google gave no results. Typing 'criticize' gives results from a month ago. Hell, every country is criticized everyday. Don't see EU diplomats going to Ankara to give support for the protests
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The US administration has mostly opted to remain silent following corruption and bribery investigations in Turkey involving some members of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party) government and their relatives, the purging of members of the judiciary and law enforcement officials, the restructuring of Turkey's judicial system in a way that gives more powers to the government and raises concerns on the separation of powers and a new Internet law which restricts freedom of expression in Turkey, as well as the government's tight control over the media.
Unlike European Union officials who have openly criticized Turkey on such issues, US officials have repeatedly said the “United States is not and will not become involved in Turkey's domestic politics.”
During his phone conversation with Erdoğan, Obama affirmed the value he places on a “strong, mutually respectful bilateral relationship with the Republic of Turkey and expressed his view that Turkey can demonstrate leadership in the world through positive engagement.”
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-339926-obama-warns-erdogan-on-financial-markets-investment-environment.html
or this http://www.todayszaman.com/news-339987-us-opinion-leaders-urge-obama-to-speak-out-on-turkey.html
Sorry for the off topic. Think this post sums up what I had to say
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On February 21 2014 01:34 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:29 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 21 2014 01:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:04 r.Evo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:12 wingpawn wrote:
It's XXI century.
We're in Europe, western civilization.
I can't believe 400 miles east from me, cops are allowed to shoot to death random people. What kind of people they are? What they are even fighting for? It boggles my mind when I try to think about it. Isn't the time for army to step up and do something? And no one seems to give a fuck, that's the worst of it. There shouldn't be any police force in any civilized country allowed to pull this kind of shit. Neither Russia nor the EU aren't doing anything meaningful while people with a damn red cross on their chest are getting shot. Meanwhile the government in Turkey is using tear gas and water cannons to disperse protesters in Ankara. People being sent to prison for 2 years for chanting slogans deemed 'offensive' to Erdogan and you have complete media blackout in the world. It all depends on what side of NATO you are on. If the things going on in Ukraine had nothing to do with Russia absolutely no fucks would be given, people would care about it as if it were happening somewhere in Africa. Anyway, I think this picture is interesting (not sure if posted): + Show Spoiler + Nonsense, the same people heavily criticizing Yanukovich (e.g. front-man from Sweden, Carl Bildt) are vocal critics of Erdogan and his turn against free press. It's been all over the news and twitterverse. So in fact they are doing nothing, typing in 'condemnation' in google gave no results. Typing 'criticize' gives results from a month ago. Hell, every country is criticized everyday. Don't see EU diplomats going to Ankara to give support for the protests
Are you serious? Here, took 30 seconds:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/eu-slams-ankara-over-protests-government-furious.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48776&NewsCatID=338
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=62053
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2013/12/09/Turkey-urged-to-scrap-plan-to-restrict-medical-care-for-protesters/UPI-48341386603425/
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/152281/berlin-ankara-trade-protests-over-eu-row.html
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On February 21 2014 01:32 Schmobutzen wrote:
@ zeo: No, you don't pull a low one, like me, in insulting someone for their opinion. But you insult the legitimacy of a whole group of protesters - and your own intelligence.
@xM(Z and Sokrates: It is nothing but a burden to tell what one group and the other do and to justify each behavior with the actions of the other group!
The government has the right and the duty to save its people from harm, especially if there are protests and demonstrations. That they did until the second half of december, when they started to storm the tents and heavy handed slap the opposition. And to add insult to injury, they make laws, that are like a second slap to the protesting people! That is one hard to swallow provocation. They should have protested peacefully further, but the radicals sensed their hour. That was a shame and should have been prevented. The police have every right to take good measures to prevent these powers from harming anyone. But. There are ways and there are ways - berkut and police took the easy root, with agent de provocateurs and have-ready-snipers. And now shooting at medics? C'mon, zeo and Sokrates and likeminded, don't let yourself be fooled!
As another poster said: Any decent human beeing in control woud have announced elections.
Edit: stupid lost sentence... and spelling
Where did i say i support the government?!?!? I just hate the blind belief that the protesters are all the nice people and the government is evil. It just too one sided, that is all. Blind faith is to belief this is just good vs evil. In no way i support the government.
I also know that NO media will present unbiased information about these incidents, i m just trying spread some awareness that this conflict isnt as clear cut as many here are trying to make it look like.
I think reelections are the best idea but the problem with that is that the current government fears the angry mob once they let go of the power. They are not only protecting their positions.
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On February 21 2014 01:40 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:34 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:29 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 21 2014 01:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:04 r.Evo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:12 wingpawn wrote:
It's XXI century.
We're in Europe, western civilization.
I can't believe 400 miles east from me, cops are allowed to shoot to death random people. What kind of people they are? What they are even fighting for? It boggles my mind when I try to think about it. Isn't the time for army to step up and do something? And no one seems to give a fuck, that's the worst of it. There shouldn't be any police force in any civilized country allowed to pull this kind of shit. Neither Russia nor the EU aren't doing anything meaningful while people with a damn red cross on their chest are getting shot. Meanwhile the government in Turkey is using tear gas and water cannons to disperse protesters in Ankara. People being sent to prison for 2 years for chanting slogans deemed 'offensive' to Erdogan and you have complete media blackout in the world. It all depends on what side of NATO you are on. If the things going on in Ukraine had nothing to do with Russia absolutely no fucks would be given, people would care about it as if it were happening somewhere in Africa. Anyway, I think this picture is interesting (not sure if posted): + Show Spoiler + Nonsense, the same people heavily criticizing Yanukovich (e.g. front-man from Sweden, Carl Bildt) are vocal critics of Erdogan and his turn against free press. It's been all over the news and twitterverse. So in fact they are doing nothing, typing in 'condemnation' in google gave no results. Typing 'criticize' gives results from a month ago. Hell, every country is criticized everyday. Don't see EU diplomats going to Ankara to give support for the protests Are you serious? Here, took 30 seconds: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/eu-slams-ankara-over-protests-government-furious.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48776&NewsCatID=338http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=62053http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2013/12/09/Turkey-urged-to-scrap-plan-to-restrict-medical-care-for-protesters/UPI-48341386603425/http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/152281/berlin-ankara-trade-protests-over-eu-row.html
Thank you Zatic, I should have made it clearer that I was talking about current events. The first link is from 8 months ago, the second one 4 months ago, the third one 2 months ago and the last one from 8 months ago... I don't really see western nations (USA) doing anything in all those months.
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It is always the responsibility of the strong to protect the weak, or when those two sides are opposite for the strong to not abuse their strenght. So while some of the protesters are a danger to the police, the police and the government should not take greater measure to respond then needed.
I can only guess what kind of shitstorm is going to go down once army gets involved.
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On February 21 2014 01:46 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:40 zatic wrote:On February 21 2014 01:34 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:29 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 21 2014 01:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:04 r.Evo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:12 wingpawn wrote:
It's XXI century.
We're in Europe, western civilization.
I can't believe 400 miles east from me, cops are allowed to shoot to death random people. What kind of people they are? What they are even fighting for? It boggles my mind when I try to think about it. Isn't the time for army to step up and do something? And no one seems to give a fuck, that's the worst of it. There shouldn't be any police force in any civilized country allowed to pull this kind of shit. Neither Russia nor the EU aren't doing anything meaningful while people with a damn red cross on their chest are getting shot. Meanwhile the government in Turkey is using tear gas and water cannons to disperse protesters in Ankara. People being sent to prison for 2 years for chanting slogans deemed 'offensive' to Erdogan and you have complete media blackout in the world. It all depends on what side of NATO you are on. If the things going on in Ukraine had nothing to do with Russia absolutely no fucks would be given, people would care about it as if it were happening somewhere in Africa. Anyway, I think this picture is interesting (not sure if posted): + Show Spoiler + Nonsense, the same people heavily criticizing Yanukovich (e.g. front-man from Sweden, Carl Bildt) are vocal critics of Erdogan and his turn against free press. It's been all over the news and twitterverse. So in fact they are doing nothing, typing in 'condemnation' in google gave no results. Typing 'criticize' gives results from a month ago. Hell, every country is criticized everyday. Don't see EU diplomats going to Ankara to give support for the protests Are you serious? Here, took 30 seconds: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/eu-slams-ankara-over-protests-government-furious.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48776&NewsCatID=338http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=62053http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2013/12/09/Turkey-urged-to-scrap-plan-to-restrict-medical-care-for-protesters/UPI-48341386603425/http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/152281/berlin-ankara-trade-protests-over-eu-row.html Thank you Zatic, I should have made it clearer that I was talking about current events. The first link is from 8 months ago, the second one 4 months ago, the third one 2 months ago and the last one from 8 months ago... I don't really see western nations doing anything
What do you expect them to do lol. roll the tanks across the border?
Be real for a moment and realize that outside of invasion the EU has no way to get anything done in situations like this outside of telling them there being naughty and to please stop it.
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On February 21 2014 01:46 -Archangel- wrote:
It is always the responsibility of the strong to protect the weak, or when those two sides are opposite for the strong to not abuse their strenght. So while some of the protesters are a danger to the police, the police and the government should not take greater measure to respond then needed.
I can only guess what kind of shitstorm is going to go down once army gets involved.
One can only pray the army refuses to directly interfere or else a true bloodbath might happen.
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On February 21 2014 01:48 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:46 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:40 zatic wrote:On February 21 2014 01:34 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:29 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 21 2014 01:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:04 r.Evo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:12 wingpawn wrote:
It's XXI century.
We're in Europe, western civilization.
I can't believe 400 miles east from me, cops are allowed to shoot to death random people. What kind of people they are? What they are even fighting for? It boggles my mind when I try to think about it. Isn't the time for army to step up and do something? And no one seems to give a fuck, that's the worst of it. There shouldn't be any police force in any civilized country allowed to pull this kind of shit. Neither Russia nor the EU aren't doing anything meaningful while people with a damn red cross on their chest are getting shot. Meanwhile the government in Turkey is using tear gas and water cannons to disperse protesters in Ankara. People being sent to prison for 2 years for chanting slogans deemed 'offensive' to Erdogan and you have complete media blackout in the world. It all depends on what side of NATO you are on. If the things going on in Ukraine had nothing to do with Russia absolutely no fucks would be given, people would care about it as if it were happening somewhere in Africa. Anyway, I think this picture is interesting (not sure if posted): + Show Spoiler + Nonsense, the same people heavily criticizing Yanukovich (e.g. front-man from Sweden, Carl Bildt) are vocal critics of Erdogan and his turn against free press. It's been all over the news and twitterverse. So in fact they are doing nothing, typing in 'condemnation' in google gave no results. Typing 'criticize' gives results from a month ago. Hell, every country is criticized everyday. Don't see EU diplomats going to Ankara to give support for the protests Are you serious? Here, took 30 seconds: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/eu-slams-ankara-over-protests-government-furious.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48776&NewsCatID=338http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=62053http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2013/12/09/Turkey-urged-to-scrap-plan-to-restrict-medical-care-for-protesters/UPI-48341386603425/http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/152281/berlin-ankara-trade-protests-over-eu-row.html Thank you Zatic, I should have made it clearer that I was talking about current events. The first link is from 8 months ago, the second one 4 months ago, the third one 2 months ago and the last one from 8 months ago... I don't really see western nations doing anything What do you expect them to do lol. roll the tanks across the border? Be real for a moment and realize that outside of invasion the EU has no way to get anything done in situations like this outside of telling them there being naughty and to please stop it.
You don't see any difference in the diplomatic rhetoric and the media coverage of events between Ukraine and Turkey?
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On February 21 2014 01:50 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:48 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2014 01:46 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:40 zatic wrote:On February 21 2014 01:34 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:29 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 21 2014 01:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:04 r.Evo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:12 wingpawn wrote:
It's XXI century.
We're in Europe, western civilization.
I can't believe 400 miles east from me, cops are allowed to shoot to death random people. What kind of people they are? What they are even fighting for? It boggles my mind when I try to think about it. Isn't the time for army to step up and do something? And no one seems to give a fuck, that's the worst of it. There shouldn't be any police force in any civilized country allowed to pull this kind of shit. Neither Russia nor the EU aren't doing anything meaningful while people with a damn red cross on their chest are getting shot. Meanwhile the government in Turkey is using tear gas and water cannons to disperse protesters in Ankara. People being sent to prison for 2 years for chanting slogans deemed 'offensive' to Erdogan and you have complete media blackout in the world. It all depends on what side of NATO you are on. If the things going on in Ukraine had nothing to do with Russia absolutely no fucks would be given, people would care about it as if it were happening somewhere in Africa. Anyway, I think this picture is interesting (not sure if posted): + Show Spoiler + Nonsense, the same people heavily criticizing Yanukovich (e.g. front-man from Sweden, Carl Bildt) are vocal critics of Erdogan and his turn against free press. It's been all over the news and twitterverse. So in fact they are doing nothing, typing in 'condemnation' in google gave no results. Typing 'criticize' gives results from a month ago. Hell, every country is criticized everyday. Don't see EU diplomats going to Ankara to give support for the protests Are you serious? Here, took 30 seconds: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/eu-slams-ankara-over-protests-government-furious.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48776&NewsCatID=338http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=62053http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2013/12/09/Turkey-urged-to-scrap-plan-to-restrict-medical-care-for-protesters/UPI-48341386603425/http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/152281/berlin-ankara-trade-protests-over-eu-row.html Thank you Zatic, I should have made it clearer that I was talking about current events. The first link is from 8 months ago, the second one 4 months ago, the third one 2 months ago and the last one from 8 months ago... I don't really see western nations doing anything What do you expect them to do lol. roll the tanks across the border? Be real for a moment and realize that outside of invasion the EU has no way to get anything done in situations like this outside of telling them there being naughty and to please stop it. You don't see any difference in the diplomatic rhetoric and the media coverage of events between Ukraine and Turkey?
Turkey didn't have police openly murder random people. Also it is farther from the heart of EU so EU cares less.
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On February 21 2014 01:50 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 01:48 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2014 01:46 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:40 zatic wrote:On February 21 2014 01:34 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:29 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 21 2014 01:23 zeo wrote:On February 21 2014 01:04 r.Evo wrote:On February 21 2014 00:12 wingpawn wrote:
It's XXI century.
We're in Europe, western civilization.
I can't believe 400 miles east from me, cops are allowed to shoot to death random people. What kind of people they are? What they are even fighting for? It boggles my mind when I try to think about it. Isn't the time for army to step up and do something? And no one seems to give a fuck, that's the worst of it. There shouldn't be any police force in any civilized country allowed to pull this kind of shit. Neither Russia nor the EU aren't doing anything meaningful while people with a damn red cross on their chest are getting shot. Meanwhile the government in Turkey is using tear gas and water cannons to disperse protesters in Ankara. People being sent to prison for 2 years for chanting slogans deemed 'offensive' to Erdogan and you have complete media blackout in the world. It all depends on what side of NATO you are on. If the things going on in Ukraine had nothing to do with Russia absolutely no fucks would be given, people would care about it as if it were happening somewhere in Africa. Anyway, I think this picture is interesting (not sure if posted): + Show Spoiler + Nonsense, the same people heavily criticizing Yanukovich (e.g. front-man from Sweden, Carl Bildt) are vocal critics of Erdogan and his turn against free press. It's been all over the news and twitterverse. So in fact they are doing nothing, typing in 'condemnation' in google gave no results. Typing 'criticize' gives results from a month ago. Hell, every country is criticized everyday. Don't see EU diplomats going to Ankara to give support for the protests Are you serious? Here, took 30 seconds: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/eu-slams-ankara-over-protests-government-furious.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48776&NewsCatID=338http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=62053http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2013/12/09/Turkey-urged-to-scrap-plan-to-restrict-medical-care-for-protesters/UPI-48341386603425/http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/152281/berlin-ankara-trade-protests-over-eu-row.html Thank you Zatic, I should have made it clearer that I was talking about current events. The first link is from 8 months ago, the second one 4 months ago, the third one 2 months ago and the last one from 8 months ago... I don't really see western nations doing anything What do you expect them to do lol. roll the tanks across the border? Be real for a moment and realize that outside of invasion the EU has no way to get anything done in situations like this outside of telling them there being naughty and to please stop it. You don't see any difference in the diplomatic rhetoric and the media coverage of events between Ukraine and Turkey?
Sorry I really can't. Turkeys actions were universally criticized in Europe and have dealt a serious blow to Turkey EU relations, which are at a low point in years.
If there is a difference it's that Erdogan just beat people up and didn't shoot them down.
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