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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22490 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-23 22:12:03
March 23 2014 22:11 GMT
#7361
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:


For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.


Sounds faker then fake. No way would they ever send a letter like that lol.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 23 2014 22:15 GMT
#7362
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/pravolivo/status/447850107959275520

For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.

[image loading]

Zhirinovsky is the Russian version of Svoboda. Same level of support in elections, even crazier proposals though.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22490 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-23 22:17:44
March 23 2014 22:17 GMT
#7363
wrong thread.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
March 23 2014 22:39 GMT
#7364
On March 24 2014 07:15 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/pravolivo/status/447850107959275520

For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.

[image loading]

Zhirinovsky is the Russian version of Svoboda. Same level of support in elections, even crazier proposals though.

It is not that crazy. The point is that Transnistria is obviously russian property and needs to be connected with Russia and well, the eastern states are historically a glorious Russian area from the times of no sorrow. Giving some of the no-mans land to Poland and creating a new country from the ashes seems very generous. Btw. I am waiting for the reestablishment of the Kalmar union and the return of Livonia/Estonia to its rightful owners. That is where things belong and we can rightfully demand those for historic reasons!
Repeat before me
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
March 23 2014 22:53 GMT
#7365
If you read the article she posts it's the vice head of the Duma, so it's just words of one political leader.
5hh.gg
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 23 2014 23:07 GMT
#7366
On March 24 2014 07:15 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/pravolivo/status/447850107959275520

For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.

[image loading]

Zhirinovsky is the Russian version of Svoboda. Same level of support in elections, even crazier proposals though.


It came from the man whose `solution' to bird flu was to have Russian anti-aircraft batteries shoot down all birds crossing Russian borders...
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9325 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-23 23:09:44
March 23 2014 23:09 GMT
#7367
I always thought that Zhirinovsky is completely irrelevant and Russian government lets him do his populist stuff and sit in Duma so they can pretend that there is some pluralism in their political system. Didn't expect such embarrassing propositions from Russian parliament.
You're now breathing manually
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
March 23 2014 23:22 GMT
#7368
On March 24 2014 07:39 radiatoren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 07:15 Sub40APM wrote:
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/pravolivo/status/447850107959275520

For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.

[image loading]

Zhirinovsky is the Russian version of Svoboda. Same level of support in elections, even crazier proposals though.

It is not that crazy. The point is that Transnistria is obviously russian property and needs to be connected with Russia and well, the eastern states are historically a glorious Russian area from the times of no sorrow. Giving some of the no-mans land to Poland and creating a new country from the ashes seems very generous. Btw. I am waiting for the reestablishment of the Kalmar union and the return of Livonia/Estonia to its rightful owners. That is where things belong and we can rightfully demand those for historic reasons!


Only if the Khazars get to come back too.

And do you also get back the Danelaw? David Cameron might just have to leave the EU if you try!

I always thought that Zhirinovsky is completely irrelevant and Russian government lets him do his populist stuff and sit in Duma so they can pretend that there is some pluralism in their political system. Didn't expect such embarrassing propositions from Russian parliament.


I was going to say something about freedom fries then I realized changing the name of fried potatoes to poke at the French is a little different from an official communication by a national legislator to other countries offering to carve up yet another country.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-23 23:45:34
March 23 2014 23:45 GMT
#7369
http://www.dw.de/german-defense-chief-von-der-leyen-calls-for-stronger-nato-backing-in-ukraine-crisis/a-17515698

"It's important to make clear that NATO isn't just something on paper, but that we are there for each other," von der Leyen said in comments that were broadcast on Sunday evening.


Philip Breedlove was cited with "you can't defend yourself if you're not there to defend yourself" and "we have to position us differently and up our readiness". (only german source for that one, didn't doublecheck).

It's a bit disheartening that she get's so much flak for a comment like this. I don't disagree, really.

Edit: not to defend her, i think she does a terrible job, but on this one i think she's right
On track to MA1950A.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 00:35:51
March 23 2014 23:50 GMT
#7370
On March 24 2014 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 07:39 radiatoren wrote:
On March 24 2014 07:15 Sub40APM wrote:
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/pravolivo/status/447850107959275520

For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.

[image loading]

Zhirinovsky is the Russian version of Svoboda. Same level of support in elections, even crazier proposals though.

It is not that crazy. The point is that Transnistria is obviously russian property and needs to be connected with Russia and well, the eastern states are historically a glorious Russian area from the times of no sorrow. Giving some of the no-mans land to Poland and creating a new country from the ashes seems very generous. Btw. I am waiting for the reestablishment of the Kalmar union and the return of Livonia/Estonia to its rightful owners. That is where things belong and we can rightfully demand those for historic reasons!


Only if the Khazars get to come back too.

And do you also get back the Danelaw? David Cameron might just have to leave the EU if you try!

Show nested quote +
I always thought that Zhirinovsky is completely irrelevant and Russian government lets him do his populist stuff and sit in Duma so they can pretend that there is some pluralism in their political system. Didn't expect such embarrassing propositions from Russian parliament.


I was going to say something about freedom fries then I realized changing the name of fried potatoes to poke at the French is a little different from an official communication by a national legislator to other countries offering to carve up yet another country.

Nah Danelagen is small potatoes, it is only the Orkney and Shetland Islands I need, whatever David Cameron wants is irrelevant as long as I get my empire! And why should EU care except for cheering me on for righting a historical wrong? Btw. St. Petersbourg was a prominent site for the vikings historically. The claim is solid and it will also make it possible to bridge Estonia and Finland! Seems pretty obvious where that area belongs!
Repeat before me
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9240 Posts
March 24 2014 02:33 GMT
#7371
Does Russia have reasons to accept Transnistria's request? At first glance it would seem more of a burden than a benefit but I don't know enough about geopolitics to deduce whether they want it or not
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 24 2014 02:49 GMT
#7372
On March 24 2014 11:33 Dan HH wrote:
Does Russia have reasons to accept Transnistria's request? At first glance it would seem more of a burden than a benefit but I don't know enough about geopolitics to deduce whether they want it or not

It can keep Moldova out of NATO? Putin can have another celebration about how amazing he is at gathering Slavic lands back to Mother Russia? More people will be able to throw out the "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." line comparing Putin to the Soviets?
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9240 Posts
March 24 2014 03:12 GMT
#7373
On March 24 2014 11:49 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 11:33 Dan HH wrote:
Does Russia have reasons to accept Transnistria's request? At first glance it would seem more of a burden than a benefit but I don't know enough about geopolitics to deduce whether they want it or not

It can keep Moldova out of NATO? Putin can have another celebration about how amazing he is at gathering Slavic lands back to Mother Russia? More people will be able to throw out the "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." line comparing Putin to the Soviets?

I have my doubts about the first one. Transnistria has declared independence and has been in a suspended disputed state since the early 90s, they control that area and would continue to do so for the forseable future. Also while Moldova desperately wants to join EU, not only that they currently have no plans whatsoever to join NATO but joining NATO would be unconstitutional.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 24 2014 03:30 GMT
#7374
On March 24 2014 12:12 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 11:49 Sub40APM wrote:
On March 24 2014 11:33 Dan HH wrote:
Does Russia have reasons to accept Transnistria's request? At first glance it would seem more of a burden than a benefit but I don't know enough about geopolitics to deduce whether they want it or not

It can keep Moldova out of NATO? Putin can have another celebration about how amazing he is at gathering Slavic lands back to Mother Russia? More people will be able to throw out the "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." line comparing Putin to the Soviets?

I have my doubts about the first one. Transnistria has declared independence and has been in a suspended disputed state since the early 90s, they control that area and would continue to do so for the forseable future. Also while Moldova desperately wants to join EU, not only that they currently have no plans whatsoever to join NATO but joining NATO would be unconstitutional.

Well, once you start Zhirinovsky calling your foreign ministry to take back Besserabia then you know they are serious. In the meantime, whatsup with weird breakaway pro-Russian regimes and hot chicks? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587559/Nato-alarm-woman-minister-urges-Putin-invade-country-Military-commander-speaks-concerns-threat-breakaway-region-near-Moldovan-border.html
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 09:02:43
March 24 2014 08:56 GMT
#7375
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/pravolivo/status/447850107959275520

For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.

[image loading]

Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol?

EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas.

On March 24 2014 12:30 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 12:12 Dan HH wrote:
On March 24 2014 11:49 Sub40APM wrote:
On March 24 2014 11:33 Dan HH wrote:
Does Russia have reasons to accept Transnistria's request? At first glance it would seem more of a burden than a benefit but I don't know enough about geopolitics to deduce whether they want it or not

It can keep Moldova out of NATO? Putin can have another celebration about how amazing he is at gathering Slavic lands back to Mother Russia? More people will be able to throw out the "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." line comparing Putin to the Soviets?

I have my doubts about the first one. Transnistria has declared independence and has been in a suspended disputed state since the early 90s, they control that area and would continue to do so for the forseable future. Also while Moldova desperately wants to join EU, not only that they currently have no plans whatsoever to join NATO but joining NATO would be unconstitutional.

Well, once you start Zhirinovsky calling your foreign ministry to take back Besserabia then you know they are serious. In the meantime, whatsup with weird breakaway pro-Russian regimes and hot chicks? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587559/Nato-alarm-woman-minister-urges-Putin-invade-country-Military-commander-speaks-concerns-threat-breakaway-region-near-Moldovan-border.html

Wow, thin women. A rarity here, even to a degree in super fit and sexy Southern California. T_T But seriously, this lady is not making the situation in regards to Russian pushes any better...
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 09:10:12
March 24 2014 09:09 GMT
#7376
On March 24 2014 17:56 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/pravolivo/status/447850107959275520

For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.

[image loading]

Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol?

EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas.


It is very real, even spokesman of our FM said they are going to reply.

However the bolded part makes me wonder what kind of invasion are you talking about.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 09:34:24
March 24 2014 09:26 GMT
#7377
On March 24 2014 18:09 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 17:56 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/pravolivo/status/447850107959275520

For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.

[image loading]

Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol?

EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas.


It is very real, even spokesman of our FM said they are going to reply.

However the bolded part makes me wonder what kind of invasion are you talking about.

Very real then, but if what Sub40 said is true, then this came from some crazy right-wing guy known for making radical comments rather than the actual general opinion of the Russian government.

After collapse in Germany and Russia in 1918, all the countries in between started fighting over territory, like Hungary, Romania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, etc. Mr. Pilsudski thought it a good idea to seize the day and do the same in Galicia and elsewhere, but unfortunately underestimated the organization of the newly founded and tumultuous Soviet Union (note the Russian Civil War was also going on during this time). Pilsudski made a march on Kiev, but was repelled by the Soviets.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9240 Posts
March 24 2014 09:39 GMT
#7378
On March 24 2014 18:09 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 17:56 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/pravolivo/status/447850107959275520

For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.

[image loading]

Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol?

EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas.


It is very real, even spokesman of our FM said they are going to reply.


Not even worth the ink to indulge far right nutcases with a response. Every country's got them, I'm sure Nick Griffin spends his free time in MS Paint drawing a new British Empire and Geert Wilders goes to bed cuddling with a snow globe of Manhattan.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
March 24 2014 10:08 GMT
#7379
On March 24 2014 18:39 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 18:09 Roman666 wrote:
On March 24 2014 17:56 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/pravolivo/status/447850107959275520

For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.

[image loading]

Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol?

EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas.


It is very real, even spokesman of our FM said they are going to reply.


Not even worth the ink to indulge far right nutcases with a response. Every country's got them, I'm sure Nick Griffin spends his free time in MS Paint drawing a new British Empire and Geert Wilders goes to bed cuddling with a snow globe of Manhattan.


Wilders wants to get rid of the Dutch overseas territories and foreign influences, not add new ones. Though xenophobic and nationalist, he does not appear to seek expansion of territory. I don't know anything about Nick Griffin, but as far as I'm aware territorial expansion in general is not very fashionable anywhere in Europe, even among right-wing nationalists, except in Russia.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 10:17:42
March 24 2014 10:16 GMT
#7380
On March 24 2014 18:26 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 18:09 Roman666 wrote:
On March 24 2014 17:56 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/pravolivo/status/447850107959275520

For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.

[image loading]

Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol?

EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas.


It is very real, even spokesman of our FM said they are going to reply.

However the bolded part makes me wonder what kind of invasion are you talking about.

Very real then, but if what Sub40 said is true, then this came from some crazy right-wing guy known for making radical comments rather than the actual general opinion of the Russian government.

After collapse in Germany and Russia in 1918, all the countries in between started fighting over territory, like Hungary, Romania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, etc. Mr. Pilsudski thought it a good idea to seize the day and do the same in Galicia and elsewhere, but unfortunately underestimated the organization of the newly founded and tumultuous Soviet Union (note the Russian Civil War was also going on during this time). Pilsudski made a march on Kiev, but was repelled by the Soviets.

Ah you meant Kiev Offensive, sorry. Still it was rather a part of Polish-Soviet war, not an "standalone" invasion.
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