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On March 24 2014 07:07 Saryph wrote:
For real? The Russia government sent a letter to Poland/Romania/Hungary offering to give them west Ukraine? Please tell me this is a fake news site or something.
Sounds faker then fake. No way would they ever send a letter like that lol.
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Zhirinovsky is the Russian version of Svoboda. Same level of support in elections, even crazier proposals though.
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On March 24 2014 07:15 Sub40APM wrote:Zhirinovsky is the Russian version of Svoboda. Same level of support in elections, even crazier proposals though. It is not that crazy. The point is that Transnistria is obviously russian property and needs to be connected with Russia and well, the eastern states are historically a glorious Russian area from the times of no sorrow. Giving some of the no-mans land to Poland and creating a new country from the ashes seems very generous. Btw. I am waiting for the reestablishment of the Kalmar union and the return of Livonia/Estonia to its rightful owners. That is where things belong and we can rightfully demand those for historic reasons!
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If you read the article she posts it's the vice head of the Duma, so it's just words of one political leader.
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On March 24 2014 07:15 Sub40APM wrote:Zhirinovsky is the Russian version of Svoboda. Same level of support in elections, even crazier proposals though.
It came from the man whose `solution' to bird flu was to have Russian anti-aircraft batteries shoot down all birds crossing Russian borders...
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I always thought that Zhirinovsky is completely irrelevant and Russian government lets him do his populist stuff and sit in Duma so they can pretend that there is some pluralism in their political system. Didn't expect such embarrassing propositions from Russian parliament.
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On March 24 2014 07:39 radiatoren wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 07:15 Sub40APM wrote:Zhirinovsky is the Russian version of Svoboda. Same level of support in elections, even crazier proposals though. It is not that crazy. The point is that Transnistria is obviously russian property and needs to be connected with Russia and well, the eastern states are historically a glorious Russian area from the times of no sorrow. Giving some of the no-mans land to Poland and creating a new country from the ashes seems very generous. Btw. I am waiting for the reestablishment of the Kalmar union and the return of Livonia/Estonia to its rightful owners. That is where things belong and we can rightfully demand those for historic reasons!
Only if the Khazars get to come back too.
And do you also get back the Danelaw? David Cameron might just have to leave the EU if you try!
I always thought that Zhirinovsky is completely irrelevant and Russian government lets him do his populist stuff and sit in Duma so they can pretend that there is some pluralism in their political system. Didn't expect such embarrassing propositions from Russian parliament.
I was going to say something about freedom fries then I realized changing the name of fried potatoes to poke at the French is a little different from an official communication by a national legislator to other countries offering to carve up yet another country.
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http://www.dw.de/german-defense-chief-von-der-leyen-calls-for-stronger-nato-backing-in-ukraine-crisis/a-17515698
"It's important to make clear that NATO isn't just something on paper, but that we are there for each other," von der Leyen said in comments that were broadcast on Sunday evening.
Philip Breedlove was cited with "you can't defend yourself if you're not there to defend yourself" and "we have to position us differently and up our readiness". (only german source for that one, didn't doublecheck).
It's a bit disheartening that she get's so much flak for a comment like this. I don't disagree, really.
Edit: not to defend her, i think she does a terrible job, but on this one i think she's right
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On March 24 2014 08:22 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 07:39 radiatoren wrote:On March 24 2014 07:15 Sub40APM wrote:Zhirinovsky is the Russian version of Svoboda. Same level of support in elections, even crazier proposals though. It is not that crazy. The point is that Transnistria is obviously russian property and needs to be connected with Russia and well, the eastern states are historically a glorious Russian area from the times of no sorrow. Giving some of the no-mans land to Poland and creating a new country from the ashes seems very generous. Btw. I am waiting for the reestablishment of the Kalmar union and the return of Livonia/Estonia to its rightful owners. That is where things belong and we can rightfully demand those for historic reasons! Only if the Khazars get to come back too. And do you also get back the Danelaw? David Cameron might just have to leave the EU if you try! Show nested quote +I always thought that Zhirinovsky is completely irrelevant and Russian government lets him do his populist stuff and sit in Duma so they can pretend that there is some pluralism in their political system. Didn't expect such embarrassing propositions from Russian parliament. I was going to say something about freedom fries then I realized changing the name of fried potatoes to poke at the French is a little different from an official communication by a national legislator to other countries offering to carve up yet another country. Nah Danelagen is small potatoes, it is only the Orkney and Shetland Islands I need, whatever David Cameron wants is irrelevant as long as I get my empire! And why should EU care except for cheering me on for righting a historical wrong? Btw. St. Petersbourg was a prominent site for the vikings historically. The claim is solid and it will also make it possible to bridge Estonia and Finland! Seems pretty obvious where that area belongs!
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Does Russia have reasons to accept Transnistria's request? At first glance it would seem more of a burden than a benefit but I don't know enough about geopolitics to deduce whether they want it or not
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On March 24 2014 11:33 Dan HH wrote: Does Russia have reasons to accept Transnistria's request? At first glance it would seem more of a burden than a benefit but I don't know enough about geopolitics to deduce whether they want it or not It can keep Moldova out of NATO? Putin can have another celebration about how amazing he is at gathering Slavic lands back to Mother Russia? More people will be able to throw out the "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." line comparing Putin to the Soviets?
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On March 24 2014 11:49 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 11:33 Dan HH wrote: Does Russia have reasons to accept Transnistria's request? At first glance it would seem more of a burden than a benefit but I don't know enough about geopolitics to deduce whether they want it or not It can keep Moldova out of NATO? Putin can have another celebration about how amazing he is at gathering Slavic lands back to Mother Russia? More people will be able to throw out the "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." line comparing Putin to the Soviets? I have my doubts about the first one. Transnistria has declared independence and has been in a suspended disputed state since the early 90s, they control that area and would continue to do so for the forseable future. Also while Moldova desperately wants to join EU, not only that they currently have no plans whatsoever to join NATO but joining NATO would be unconstitutional.
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On March 24 2014 12:12 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 11:49 Sub40APM wrote:On March 24 2014 11:33 Dan HH wrote: Does Russia have reasons to accept Transnistria's request? At first glance it would seem more of a burden than a benefit but I don't know enough about geopolitics to deduce whether they want it or not It can keep Moldova out of NATO? Putin can have another celebration about how amazing he is at gathering Slavic lands back to Mother Russia? More people will be able to throw out the "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." line comparing Putin to the Soviets? I have my doubts about the first one. Transnistria has declared independence and has been in a suspended disputed state since the early 90s, they control that area and would continue to do so for the forseable future. Also while Moldova desperately wants to join EU, not only that they currently have no plans whatsoever to join NATO but joining NATO would be unconstitutional. Well, once you start Zhirinovsky calling your foreign ministry to take back Besserabia then you know they are serious. In the meantime, whatsup with weird breakaway pro-Russian regimes and hot chicks? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587559/Nato-alarm-woman-minister-urges-Putin-invade-country-Military-commander-speaks-concerns-threat-breakaway-region-near-Moldovan-border.html
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Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol?
EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas.
On March 24 2014 12:30 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 12:12 Dan HH wrote:On March 24 2014 11:49 Sub40APM wrote:On March 24 2014 11:33 Dan HH wrote: Does Russia have reasons to accept Transnistria's request? At first glance it would seem more of a burden than a benefit but I don't know enough about geopolitics to deduce whether they want it or not It can keep Moldova out of NATO? Putin can have another celebration about how amazing he is at gathering Slavic lands back to Mother Russia? More people will be able to throw out the "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." line comparing Putin to the Soviets? I have my doubts about the first one. Transnistria has declared independence and has been in a suspended disputed state since the early 90s, they control that area and would continue to do so for the forseable future. Also while Moldova desperately wants to join EU, not only that they currently have no plans whatsoever to join NATO but joining NATO would be unconstitutional. Well, once you start Zhirinovsky calling your foreign ministry to take back Besserabia then you know they are serious. In the meantime, whatsup with weird breakaway pro-Russian regimes and hot chicks? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587559/Nato-alarm-woman-minister-urges-Putin-invade-country-Military-commander-speaks-concerns-threat-breakaway-region-near-Moldovan-border.html Wow, thin women. A rarity here, even to a degree in super fit and sexy Southern California. T_T But seriously, this lady is not making the situation in regards to Russian pushes any better...
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On March 24 2014 17:56 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol? EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas.
It is very real, even spokesman of our FM said they are going to reply.
However the bolded part makes me wonder what kind of invasion are you talking about.
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On March 24 2014 18:09 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 17:56 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol? EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas. It is very real, even spokesman of our FM said they are going to reply. However the bolded part makes me wonder what kind of invasion are you talking about. Very real then, but if what Sub40 said is true, then this came from some crazy right-wing guy known for making radical comments rather than the actual general opinion of the Russian government.
After collapse in Germany and Russia in 1918, all the countries in between started fighting over territory, like Hungary, Romania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, etc. Mr. Pilsudski thought it a good idea to seize the day and do the same in Galicia and elsewhere, but unfortunately underestimated the organization of the newly founded and tumultuous Soviet Union (note the Russian Civil War was also going on during this time). Pilsudski made a march on Kiev, but was repelled by the Soviets.
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On March 24 2014 18:09 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 17:56 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol? EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas. It is very real, even spokesman of our FM said they are going to reply.
Not even worth the ink to indulge far right nutcases with a response. Every country's got them, I'm sure Nick Griffin spends his free time in MS Paint drawing a new British Empire and Geert Wilders goes to bed cuddling with a snow globe of Manhattan.
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On March 24 2014 18:39 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 18:09 Roman666 wrote:On March 24 2014 17:56 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol? EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas. It is very real, even spokesman of our FM said they are going to reply. Not even worth the ink to indulge far right nutcases with a response. Every country's got them, I'm sure Nick Griffin spends his free time in MS Paint drawing a new British Empire and Geert Wilders goes to bed cuddling with a snow globe of Manhattan.
Wilders wants to get rid of the Dutch overseas territories and foreign influences, not add new ones. Though xenophobic and nationalist, he does not appear to seek expansion of territory. I don't know anything about Nick Griffin, but as far as I'm aware territorial expansion in general is not very fashionable anywhere in Europe, even among right-wing nationalists, except in Russia.
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On March 24 2014 18:26 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 18:09 Roman666 wrote:On March 24 2014 17:56 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Assuming it's real, $10 says it's mass trolling. What's especially absurd about this is that Russia saved Ukraine from Polish invasion and conquest back in 1920. Also, why would Russia want NATO to expand more lol? EDIT: Saw Sub40's post. Far-right-wingers are always full of funny ideas. It is very real, even spokesman of our FM said they are going to reply. However the bolded part makes me wonder what kind of invasion are you talking about. Very real then, but if what Sub40 said is true, then this came from some crazy right-wing guy known for making radical comments rather than the actual general opinion of the Russian government. After collapse in Germany and Russia in 1918, all the countries in between started fighting over territory, like Hungary, Romania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, etc. Mr. Pilsudski thought it a good idea to seize the day and do the same in Galicia and elsewhere, but unfortunately underestimated the organization of the newly founded and tumultuous Soviet Union (note the Russian Civil War was also going on during this time). Pilsudski made a march on Kiev, but was repelled by the Soviets. Ah you meant Kiev Offensive, sorry. Still it was rather a part of Polish-Soviet war, not an "standalone" invasion.
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