On March 21 2014 18:54 Ghanburighan wrote:
on the other hand the EU targeted sanctions list is incredibly weak.
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
March 21 2014 17:17 GMT
#7321
On March 21 2014 18:54 Ghanburighan wrote: on the other hand the EU targeted sanctions list is incredibly weak. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
March 21 2014 19:35 GMT
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RvB
Netherlands6263 Posts
March 21 2014 20:09 GMT
#7323
(Reuters) - The most startling part of Washington's sanctions on Russian businessmen loyal to President Vladimir Putin may be a single sentence that contains an explosive allegation: that Putin himself profits from the world's No. 4 oil trading company, Gunvor. Among the people the United States sanctioned on Thursday as part of its drive to put pressure on Russia for its intervention in Ukraine was businessman Gennady Timchenko, a long-time acquaintance of Putin and, until this week, co-owner of Geneva-based Gunvor, which trades nearly 3 percent of the world's oil. In announcing the sanctions, the Treasury Department went a step further, adding a single sentence that hits squarely at one of the most controversial topics that Putin has faced in 13 years as the Kremlin ruler and head of the government. "Timchenko activities in the energy sector have been directly linked to Putin. Putin has investments in Gunvor and may have access to Gunvor funds," the statement said. (Treasury announcement: r.reuters.com/baq77v) These sanctions might just hit Putin a lot more than it looks if this is true. source | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
March 21 2014 20:26 GMT
#7324
On March 22 2014 05:09 RvB wrote: Show nested quote + (Reuters) - The most startling part of Washington's sanctions on Russian businessmen loyal to President Vladimir Putin may be a single sentence that contains an explosive allegation: that Putin himself profits from the world's No. 4 oil trading company, Gunvor. Among the people the United States sanctioned on Thursday as part of its drive to put pressure on Russia for its intervention in Ukraine was businessman Gennady Timchenko, a long-time acquaintance of Putin and, until this week, co-owner of Geneva-based Gunvor, which trades nearly 3 percent of the world's oil. In announcing the sanctions, the Treasury Department went a step further, adding a single sentence that hits squarely at one of the most controversial topics that Putin has faced in 13 years as the Kremlin ruler and head of the government. "Timchenko activities in the energy sector have been directly linked to Putin. Putin has investments in Gunvor and may have access to Gunvor funds," the statement said. (Treasury announcement: r.reuters.com/baq77v) These sanctions might just hit Putin a lot more than it looks if this is true. source This is common knowledge for years. Problem is just, that Timchenko sold all his shares one day before the sanctions were active... And he sold ALL his shares to the coowner (had his name earlier in an article, google it, if you like) who is now holding almost 90% on Gunvor. Oh, and the guy is completely loyal to Timchenko (and in extension to Putin), but is of course not on the list. So yeah, good job, they change the name plate on the corporotion, but nothing changed on the inside. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
March 21 2014 20:49 GMT
#7325
On March 22 2014 05:26 mahrgell wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2014 05:09 RvB wrote: (Reuters) - The most startling part of Washington's sanctions on Russian businessmen loyal to President Vladimir Putin may be a single sentence that contains an explosive allegation: that Putin himself profits from the world's No. 4 oil trading company, Gunvor. Among the people the United States sanctioned on Thursday as part of its drive to put pressure on Russia for its intervention in Ukraine was businessman Gennady Timchenko, a long-time acquaintance of Putin and, until this week, co-owner of Geneva-based Gunvor, which trades nearly 3 percent of the world's oil. In announcing the sanctions, the Treasury Department went a step further, adding a single sentence that hits squarely at one of the most controversial topics that Putin has faced in 13 years as the Kremlin ruler and head of the government. "Timchenko activities in the energy sector have been directly linked to Putin. Putin has investments in Gunvor and may have access to Gunvor funds," the statement said. (Treasury announcement: r.reuters.com/baq77v) These sanctions might just hit Putin a lot more than it looks if this is true. source This is common knowledge for years. Problem is just, that Timchenko sold all his shares one day before the sanctions were active... And he sold ALL his shares to the coowner (had his name earlier in an article, google it, if you like) who is now holding almost 90% on Gunvor. Oh, and the guy is completely loyal to Timchenko (and in extension to Putin), but is of course not on the list. So yeah, good job, they change the name plate on the corporotion, but nothing changed on the inside. also pretty amazing how he sold these a day before the sanctions were announced. That means what, someone in the Treasury department let some lobbyst/lawyer know and that guy passed on insider info to his buddies? | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
March 21 2014 21:04 GMT
#7326
On March 22 2014 05:49 Sub40APM wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2014 05:26 mahrgell wrote: On March 22 2014 05:09 RvB wrote: (Reuters) - The most startling part of Washington's sanctions on Russian businessmen loyal to President Vladimir Putin may be a single sentence that contains an explosive allegation: that Putin himself profits from the world's No. 4 oil trading company, Gunvor. Among the people the United States sanctioned on Thursday as part of its drive to put pressure on Russia for its intervention in Ukraine was businessman Gennady Timchenko, a long-time acquaintance of Putin and, until this week, co-owner of Geneva-based Gunvor, which trades nearly 3 percent of the world's oil. In announcing the sanctions, the Treasury Department went a step further, adding a single sentence that hits squarely at one of the most controversial topics that Putin has faced in 13 years as the Kremlin ruler and head of the government. "Timchenko activities in the energy sector have been directly linked to Putin. Putin has investments in Gunvor and may have access to Gunvor funds," the statement said. (Treasury announcement: r.reuters.com/baq77v) These sanctions might just hit Putin a lot more than it looks if this is true. source This is common knowledge for years. Problem is just, that Timchenko sold all his shares one day before the sanctions were active... And he sold ALL his shares to the coowner (had his name earlier in an article, google it, if you like) who is now holding almost 90% on Gunvor. Oh, and the guy is completely loyal to Timchenko (and in extension to Putin), but is of course not on the list. So yeah, good job, they change the name plate on the corporotion, but nothing changed on the inside. also pretty amazing how he sold these a day before the sanctions were announced. That means what, someone in the Treasury department let some lobbyst/lawyer know and that guy passed on insider info to his buddies? This informer is rich now, i guess. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
March 21 2014 21:05 GMT
#7327
On March 22 2014 00:32 Djzapz wrote: It's a preliminary thing. I would be surprised if the EU did anything substantial with a government which wasn't elected. When doing anything to oppose Russia is at stake, it would not surprise me at all if the EU would go to such measures, to be honest. On March 22 2014 05:49 Sub40APM wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2014 05:26 mahrgell wrote: On March 22 2014 05:09 RvB wrote: (Reuters) - The most startling part of Washington's sanctions on Russian businessmen loyal to President Vladimir Putin may be a single sentence that contains an explosive allegation: that Putin himself profits from the world's No. 4 oil trading company, Gunvor. Among the people the United States sanctioned on Thursday as part of its drive to put pressure on Russia for its intervention in Ukraine was businessman Gennady Timchenko, a long-time acquaintance of Putin and, until this week, co-owner of Geneva-based Gunvor, which trades nearly 3 percent of the world's oil. In announcing the sanctions, the Treasury Department went a step further, adding a single sentence that hits squarely at one of the most controversial topics that Putin has faced in 13 years as the Kremlin ruler and head of the government. "Timchenko activities in the energy sector have been directly linked to Putin. Putin has investments in Gunvor and may have access to Gunvor funds," the statement said. (Treasury announcement: r.reuters.com/baq77v) These sanctions might just hit Putin a lot more than it looks if this is true. source This is common knowledge for years. Problem is just, that Timchenko sold all his shares one day before the sanctions were active... And he sold ALL his shares to the coowner (had his name earlier in an article, google it, if you like) who is now holding almost 90% on Gunvor. Oh, and the guy is completely loyal to Timchenko (and in extension to Putin), but is of course not on the list. So yeah, good job, they change the name plate on the corporotion, but nothing changed on the inside. also pretty amazing how he sold these a day before the sanctions were announced. That means what, someone in the Treasury department let some lobbyst/lawyer know and that guy passed on insider info to his buddies? Russia has all sorts of insider information, what surprises me more is when they don't know something. There's the other theory that this was a hugely lucky coincidence for Timchenko, but I think that to be far less likely. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
March 21 2014 21:22 GMT
#7328
On March 22 2014 05:49 Sub40APM wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2014 05:26 mahrgell wrote: On March 22 2014 05:09 RvB wrote: (Reuters) - The most startling part of Washington's sanctions on Russian businessmen loyal to President Vladimir Putin may be a single sentence that contains an explosive allegation: that Putin himself profits from the world's No. 4 oil trading company, Gunvor. Among the people the United States sanctioned on Thursday as part of its drive to put pressure on Russia for its intervention in Ukraine was businessman Gennady Timchenko, a long-time acquaintance of Putin and, until this week, co-owner of Geneva-based Gunvor, which trades nearly 3 percent of the world's oil. In announcing the sanctions, the Treasury Department went a step further, adding a single sentence that hits squarely at one of the most controversial topics that Putin has faced in 13 years as the Kremlin ruler and head of the government. "Timchenko activities in the energy sector have been directly linked to Putin. Putin has investments in Gunvor and may have access to Gunvor funds," the statement said. (Treasury announcement: r.reuters.com/baq77v) These sanctions might just hit Putin a lot more than it looks if this is true. source This is common knowledge for years. Problem is just, that Timchenko sold all his shares one day before the sanctions were active... And he sold ALL his shares to the coowner (had his name earlier in an article, google it, if you like) who is now holding almost 90% on Gunvor. Oh, and the guy is completely loyal to Timchenko (and in extension to Putin), but is of course not on the list. So yeah, good job, they change the name plate on the corporotion, but nothing changed on the inside. also pretty amazing how he sold these a day before the sanctions were announced. That means what, someone in the Treasury department let some lobbyst/lawyer know and that guy passed on insider info to his buddies? Did he actually sell before or was this only claimed after the sanctions were announced? | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
March 21 2014 21:27 GMT
#7329
On March 22 2014 06:22 hypercube wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2014 05:49 Sub40APM wrote: On March 22 2014 05:26 mahrgell wrote: On March 22 2014 05:09 RvB wrote: (Reuters) - The most startling part of Washington's sanctions on Russian businessmen loyal to President Vladimir Putin may be a single sentence that contains an explosive allegation: that Putin himself profits from the world's No. 4 oil trading company, Gunvor. Among the people the United States sanctioned on Thursday as part of its drive to put pressure on Russia for its intervention in Ukraine was businessman Gennady Timchenko, a long-time acquaintance of Putin and, until this week, co-owner of Geneva-based Gunvor, which trades nearly 3 percent of the world's oil. In announcing the sanctions, the Treasury Department went a step further, adding a single sentence that hits squarely at one of the most controversial topics that Putin has faced in 13 years as the Kremlin ruler and head of the government. "Timchenko activities in the energy sector have been directly linked to Putin. Putin has investments in Gunvor and may have access to Gunvor funds," the statement said. (Treasury announcement: r.reuters.com/baq77v) These sanctions might just hit Putin a lot more than it looks if this is true. source This is common knowledge for years. Problem is just, that Timchenko sold all his shares one day before the sanctions were active... And he sold ALL his shares to the coowner (had his name earlier in an article, google it, if you like) who is now holding almost 90% on Gunvor. Oh, and the guy is completely loyal to Timchenko (and in extension to Putin), but is of course not on the list. So yeah, good job, they change the name plate on the corporotion, but nothing changed on the inside. also pretty amazing how he sold these a day before the sanctions were announced. That means what, someone in the Treasury department let some lobbyst/lawyer know and that guy passed on insider info to his buddies? Did he actually sell before or was this only claimed after the sanctions were announced? Well, we will never know since its a private company run by a shady Swede who has worked all his life with a shady Russian oligarch with close connections to Putin. I suppose the Treasury could get salty at the way they structured the announcement and put an embargo on the whole company. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
March 21 2014 21:58 GMT
#7330
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semantics
10040 Posts
March 21 2014 22:03 GMT
#7331
On March 22 2014 06:58 zezamer wrote: So what US claims Timchenko has done ? Knowing Putin haha. That's pretty silly It's closer to US claims he's one of the people in Russia with significant influence(he's rich!), an oligarch, and has ties with Putin so efficiently punishment for being at a minimum complicit in what has occurred. Gotta listen to your parents, be careful of who you associate with. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
March 21 2014 23:25 GMT
#7332
The effects of Western sanctions against Russia rippled across the country and beyond—hitting Russian shares, snarling some electronic payments inside the country and sending traders scrambling to assess whether they could still deal with a big Geneva-based energy trader. + Show Spoiler [Effects of Western Sanctions] + Visa Inc. and MasterCard Inc. said on Friday they would stop servicing Bank Rossiya and three other Russian banks because of U.S. Treasury sanctions. The moves were part of a series of measures targeting Russian politicians and some of the financial pillars underpinning President Vladimir Putin's inner circle. The European Union followed on Friday with a similar list of Russian officials it is targeting with sanctions. Executives at Gunvor Group, one of the world's largest independent energy-trading outfits, spent Friday reassuring customers and its bankers that U.S. sanctions against a co-founder wouldn't disrupt its trading operations. The U.S. Treasury said Mr. Putin was an investor in the firm. The company said Mr. Putin has never been an investor. Washington on Thursday also slapped sanctions on Gennady Timchenko, who until recently owned 43% of the firm. Hours later, Gunvor said he had already sold his share of the company on Wednesday to Gunvor's other co-founder, Chief Executive Torbjorn Tornqvist. The sanctions triggered a "crisis" in the "early hours of the morning," Mr. Tornqvist said in an interview. He said the U.S. sanctions surprised the company, but that executives had reached out to traders, bankers and other counterparties over the last 24 hours to reassure them. "Now, we have U.S. banks saying it's business as usual," he said. There was less certainty on many trading floors. Gunvor conducts billions of dollars in energy contracts with other international traders and producers. A North Sea oil trader said early Friday that questions about Gunvor were "the elephant in the room." American and European companies "will be looking very closely at [their] business with Gunvor," said another oil trader. Some of the world's biggest publicly traded energy companies deal with Gunvor regularly, and executives at some of them were studying the implications of the sanctions Friday, according to people familiar with the situation. Total has a 16% stake in Russian oil producer OAO Novatek in which Mr. Timchenko also holds a large stake, with 23%. A Total representative referred to comments earlier this month by the company's chief executive that it was a "long-term investor" in Russia. BP BP.LN +0.11% PLC owns just under 20% of Russian state-controlled behemoth OAO Rosneft, which has, in the past, sold oil to Gunvor. BP spokesman Toby Odone declined to comment on whether the sanctions against Mr. Timchenko presented a challenge. "We are committed to our businesses in Russia. We are, of course, monitoring the situation. If sanctions were to involve us, we would comply with them," said Mr. Odone. One question still hanging over Gunvor on Friday was the terms of the sale of Mr. Timchenko's stake. The value of the whole company was recently estimated by Paul Gait, an analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein, at about $3 billion. Counterparties may seek assurances the deal was done at a fair price to insulate them from any legal repercussions if they continue trading with Gunvor. Mr. Tornqvist didn't disclose a price, but he said the sale was done at market value and contained no conditions that would allow Mr. Timchenko to buy his stake back. "We didn't want to leave any ambiguity" over the sale, Mr. Tornqvist said. Gunvor has had relationships with top banks including Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Credit Suisse AG. Those two banks, as well as Société Générale, were underwriters on a bond deal in May 2013, according to data provided by Dealogic. Goldman Sachs did a routine bond financing for Gunvor, nothing more, said a person familiar with the matter. Spokesmen for Goldman, Credit Suisse and Société Générale declined to comment on whether they would continue their relationships with the firm. Outside the energy patch, domestic and foreign investors alike fled the Russian market, or sought to assess their exposure. Russian shares tumbled, with the Moscow Stock Exchange Index losing close to 13% on Friday. "Before the whole issue escalated we roughly halved the exposure" to Russia, said Michele Gesualdi, chief investment officer at Kairos Investment Management, which has about $7 billion in assets under management. "A lot of the industry, if they were long [Russian investment] they have scaled back. But they haven't exited, because these can be good buying opportunities." Banks and other financial players were trying to make sure they were complying with the new U.S. and European sanctions. "Russia represents a small part of the business I am responsible for," said the head of Europe, Middle East and Africa for a large global bank, but "it is taking up a disproportionate amount of my time at the moment." Russian holders of Visa and MasterCard payment cards issued by four Russian banks—Bank Rossiya, Sobinbank, SMP Bank and InvestCapitalBank—couldn't pay for goods and services with their cards starting on Friday morning. The two U.S. firms said they were obliged by the U.S. sanctions to cut the banks off from access to their network. Cardholders were still able to withdraw funds from ATMs. Sobinbank is a subsidiary of Bank Rossiya. SMP is owned by two associates of Vladimir Putin named on the U.S. Treasury sanctions list. InvestCapitalBank is a subsidiary of SMP. Banks that have relationships with Bank Rossiya are expected to follow the sanctions' instructions to terminate those relationships. Bank Rossiya has correspondent accounts with Bank of New York Mellon Corp. J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. and a U.S. unit of Deutsche Bank AG , according to a website run by Clearing House Payments Co. As a result of the sanctions the U.S. placed on Bank Rossiya, any "correspondent-banking relationships" with U.S. financial institutions will be terminated, U.S. officials said. Correspondent banks process transactions and clear dollar payments for their counterparts. A spokesman for BNY Mellon declined to comment on specific clients, but said the bank would comply with the government's sanctions. A person familiar with J.P. Morgan said the bank is complying with the sanctions. A Deutsche Bank spokeswoman said in a statement that "we are following developments and are applying sanctions as appropriate and as directed by the relevant authorities." Amid the threat of further sanctions, Western executives have tried to reassure investors that they are managing their exposure to Russia. "We're trying to understand what kind of scenarios there could be," Peter Cedervall, president of rail-control solutions for Bombardier Inc., told analysts on a conference call Thursday. The Canadian maker of planes and trains had targeted Russia for new investments in railroad systems in the wake of the Sochi Olympic Games. One additional risk for Western investors is the falling value of the Russian currency. That can hit the value of sales of goods paid for in rubles but converted back into a company's home currency. Mr. Cedervall said one option could be to "get paid offshore, not to see the currency, or the money passing Russian soil." Other executives said there was uncertainty over what effect any fresh sanctions might have on exports and imports. Grain harvests have just wrapped up in Russia and Ukraine. "Now probably a lot of the noise is about being able to export" out of Black Sea ports, said Greg Peterson, director of investor relations for agricultural-equipment supplier AGCO Corp. For some other Western companies, the unrest and uncertainty signals something else: opportunity. A more aggressive Russia could spur countries in the region to make "extraordinary outlays" in their defense budgets, Steven F. Gaffney, chief executive of Delta Tucker Holdings Inc., the parent of defense contractor DynCorp International Inc., said on an earnings call on March 14. Source. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
March 22 2014 01:14 GMT
#7333
On March 22 2014 06:58 zezamer wrote: So what US claims Timchenko has done ? Knowing Putin haha. That's pretty silly Gunvor's break came in 2004. That year the Kremlin broke up Yukos, then Russia's largest producer, over a tax claim. Yukos's largest production unit, Yuganskneftegaz, ended up with state-owned Rosneft. And Rosneft handed responsibility for its international trade to Gunvor. At first it did not hold public tenders to see if another buyer would offer a better price than Gunvor's. http://www.economist.com/node/21554184A long time ally of Putin. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
March 22 2014 01:40 GMT
#7334
According to the most recent figures from the Russian Central Bank (for the third quarter of last year), the biggest investor in the country was Cyprus ($4.5 billion), followed by the British Virgin Islands ($2.7 billion), Luxembourg ($1.6 billion) and the isle of Jersey—all of which are generally considered to be tax havens. China, Russia’s most powerful neighbour, invested $193 million during the quarter, less than Bermuda. Germany invested $428 million, little more than half the total from the Bahamas. Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/russia-sanctions-could-backfire-104905.html#ixzz2weSGXov9 Apparently the Russians are now going to build an alternative to Visa and MasterCard because both companies suspended services in Russia. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 22 2014 04:33 GMT
#7335
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
March 22 2014 07:55 GMT
#7336
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
March 22 2014 10:00 GMT
#7337
On March 22 2014 16:55 xM(Z wrote: beating capitalism at its own game, the money game. /clap capitalism won capitalism? | ||
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LocalPredictor
Russian Federation17 Posts
March 22 2014 11:15 GMT
#7338
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likeasu
Russian Federation88 Posts
March 22 2014 13:32 GMT
#7339
On March 22 2014 10:40 Sub40APM wrote: Apparently the Russians are now going to build an alternative to Visa and MasterCard because both companies suspended services in Russia. hi all, Im back. It was a great voyage. First af all- its fake. Visa+MC stopped contracts only with 1 bank. There is absolutely no problem for casual bank users: they can take off money by cash dispenser or cashbox. And for services (needed Visa or MC) they should use another cards. At second: it should be easer to use China UnionPay for example and not create our own one. More interesting last news - "Praviy Sector" (Ukrainian radical extremists group) is planning to became a politic power with its leader Dmitrii Yarosh as a president candidate. http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3323176-pravyi-sektor-obiavyl-sebia-polytycheskoi-partyei-y-vydvynul-yarosha-kandydatom-v-prezydenty Terrorist is so cute in a jacket... param-pam-pam | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
March 22 2014 16:22 GMT
#7340
On March 22 2014 22:32 likeasu wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2014 10:40 Sub40APM wrote: Apparently the Russians are now going to build an alternative to Visa and MasterCard because both companies suspended services in Russia. More interesting last news - "Praviy Sector" (Ukrainian radical extremists group) is planning to became a politic power with its leader Dmitrii Yarosh as a president candidate. http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3323176-pravyi-sektor-obiavyl-sebia-polytycheskoi-partyei-y-vydvynul-yarosha-kandydatom-v-prezydenty Terrorist is so cute in a jacket... param-pam-pam sarcasm aside, his interview was quite impressive. Much more than one would expect from a "terrorist". Among other things, one good point he had made was that the Right Sector along with Euromaidan was using the right of revolution that is stated in Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UN). Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by rule of law. | ||
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