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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 20 2014 22:53 GMT
#7301
Brave Russian riot police forces stop a nest of fascism masquerading itself as a chocolate factory.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/20/trade-war-crimea-russia-closes-ukraine-sweet-factory
On Thursday morning, Russian riot police seized a factory in the city of Lipetsk, south-west Russia, operated by the Ukrainian confectionary company Roshen and stopped production, Ukraine's foreign and economic ministries said in a joint statement, calling the move the "continuation of a politically motivated campaign" against the company.

Other reports said police had also taken control of a Roshen warehouse in Lipetsk, essentially derailing the company's extensive Russian distribution network. According to the company's website, the Lipetsk plant is its only factory in Russia.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 20 2014 22:59 GMT
#7302
Looks like IMF reforms incoming. Generally I would be wary, but in the case of Ukraine, the golden straight jacket might be exactly what the doctor ordered:

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 23:01:39
March 20 2014 23:00 GMT
#7303
On March 21 2014 07:53 Sub40APM wrote:
Brave Russian riot police forces stop a nest of fascism masquerading itself as a chocolate factory.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/20/trade-war-crimea-russia-closes-ukraine-sweet-factory
Show nested quote +
On Thursday morning, Russian riot police seized a factory in the city of Lipetsk, south-west Russia, operated by the Ukrainian confectionary company Roshen and stopped production, Ukraine's foreign and economic ministries said in a joint statement, calling the move the "continuation of a politically motivated campaign" against the company.

Other reports said police had also taken control of a Roshen warehouse in Lipetsk, essentially derailing the company's extensive Russian distribution network. According to the company's website, the Lipetsk plant is its only factory in Russia.


Famously known for "chocoladolf", "Nazipan" etc.

Is about time they crack down on that.

+ Show Spoiler +
obviously sarcasm, just to make sure
On track to MA1950A.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
March 20 2014 23:03 GMT
#7304
On March 21 2014 07:05 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 06:48 xDaunt wrote:
On March 21 2014 06:40 -Archangel- wrote:
On March 21 2014 06:04 heliusx wrote:
On March 21 2014 01:34 -Archangel- wrote:
On March 20 2014 22:59 heliusx wrote:
On March 20 2014 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:
On March 20 2014 22:22 sgtnoobkilla wrote:
On March 20 2014 21:44 Saumure wrote:
So... how many people did Russia kill in Ukraine up until now?

But General Secre-...President Putin and Comrade Lavrov say those "polite people" definitely aren't Russians, so we have to believe them!

On March 20 2014 20:25 whiteLotus wrote:
See ya Baltics , hope you havent forgot russian language :\

He would have to really lose all of his marbles if he tried that rubbish with Estonia. I'm pretty sure even Putin wouldn't dare to take a NATO member head-on like that. As for the rest of Ukraine however...

Well since Obama said USA does not want a military conflict with Russia, Putin just might try it.


Not over the Ukraine but over NATO members its a given.

Truthfully I don't believe they will. They and UK also signed an agreement (and Russia) to protect Ukraine and they didn't do shit while Russia did opposite. When push comes to shove, USA interests trump all others and war with Russia is a big NO-NO.


America will act if anyone attacks NATO. There's really no room for discussion.

Unless you are secretary of defense for USA or the president, there is a lot of room for discussion.
Also while USA might help with logistics and military equipment, they would not be required to use full military might.

And I am sure Ukraine thought others would honor the agreement they had about their territorial integrity.

Umm, if you don't understand the difference between attacking a NATO country and attacking Ukraine, you probably are disqualified from commenting here. NATO would immediately dissolve if the US didn't defend a member under attack and honor its treaty obligations. America simply won't let that happen. Hell, no president would survive such a fuckup.

Yep. There is absolutely no doubt that the U.S. (and other NATO members, especially the UK and France) would intervene if a NATO member was attacked. The entire credibility of the alliance and of its members would be at stake.


It would be mildly amusing to see what happens in the years to come, to say the least.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 20 2014 23:17 GMT
#7305
On March 21 2014 07:50 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 07:44 Ghanburighan wrote:


Show nested quote +
The same could be said on the EU sanctions against Russian citizens, including parliamentarians and women, which have been introduced on a shaky legal foundation and betray discriminatory and even misogynist attitude of the EU establishment, bent on meting out extrajudicial punishment to people for speaking up their mind.

What? ....

hahaha holy shit.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
March 20 2014 23:42 GMT
#7306
On March 21 2014 07:53 Sub40APM wrote:
Brave Russian riot police forces stop a nest of fascism masquerading itself as a chocolate factory.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/20/trade-war-crimea-russia-closes-ukraine-sweet-factory
Show nested quote +
On Thursday morning, Russian riot police seized a factory in the city of Lipetsk, south-west Russia, operated by the Ukrainian confectionary company Roshen and stopped production, Ukraine's foreign and economic ministries said in a joint statement, calling the move the "continuation of a politically motivated campaign" against the company.

Other reports said police had also taken control of a Roshen warehouse in Lipetsk, essentially derailing the company's extensive Russian distribution network. According to the company's website, the Lipetsk plant is its only factory in Russia.


They did the same thing to a Nemiroff distillery yesterday.

Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 20 2014 23:51 GMT
#7307
On March 21 2014 08:42 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 07:53 Sub40APM wrote:
Brave Russian riot police forces stop a nest of fascism masquerading itself as a chocolate factory.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/20/trade-war-crimea-russia-closes-ukraine-sweet-factory
On Thursday morning, Russian riot police seized a factory in the city of Lipetsk, south-west Russia, operated by the Ukrainian confectionary company Roshen and stopped production, Ukraine's foreign and economic ministries said in a joint statement, calling the move the "continuation of a politically motivated campaign" against the company.

Other reports said police had also taken control of a Roshen warehouse in Lipetsk, essentially derailing the company's extensive Russian distribution network. According to the company's website, the Lipetsk plant is its only factory in Russia.


They did the same thing to a Nemiroff distillery yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3nVxTMt-mg

Mm its not quite the same thing since it appears that the majority holders -- who are Russian and wanted to move the production to Moscow-- were the ones who attacked the plant because its current occupants were loyal to the minority holder -- who wanted to keep where it is in central Ukraine.
In the case of Roshen, you had actual Russian riot police take over a chocolate plant for unknown reasons.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 21 2014 01:53 GMT
#7308
Roshen sounds clear to me, you take over a chocolate plant to eat the delicious chocolate. Most straightforward reason for conquest ever: chocolate.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 21 2014 02:07 GMT
#7309
Probably wasn't even the Russian Riot Police but the not so well known Russian chocolate self-defense league.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 21 2014 04:19 GMT
#7310
Russian has my support

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2585515/The-new-face-Crimea-Blonde-Russian-seductress-33-regions-new-attorney-general-pictures-emerge-non-military-issue-red-high-heels.html
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
March 21 2014 04:40 GMT
#7311
On March 21 2014 13:19 Xiphos wrote:
Russian has my support

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2585515/The-new-face-Crimea-Blonde-Russian-seductress-33-regions-new-attorney-general-pictures-emerge-non-military-issue-red-high-heels.html


Oh lord, I hoped this wouldn't spread here. Y_Y
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-21 05:44:17
March 21 2014 04:45 GMT
#7312
http://www.theonion.com/articles/thanks-for-being-so-cool-about-everything,35584/

put in the working link, thanks datscilly !
Now, of course I get that you in the international community had to issue some sort of response. After all, you had to at least look like you were trying to fight for the people of Ukraine as we rolled armed vehicles into their country, made it clear that any dissent would be punished, and essentially rendered an entire people totally and utterly powerless in the face of a bigger, stronger country’s national interests. I totally get that. But I’m just relieved that you decided on a response as harmless as humanly possible, with no real and tangible repercussions on myself or my government. You really have no idea how much stress that lifted off my shoulders. It was a real lifesaver.

I also understand that moving forward, you’ll feel pressure to call a lot of high-profile NATO meetings, make statements to the UN, suspend this summer’s G8 summit, that sort of thing. I also get that all that kind of stuff is just a formal procedure you have to follow, because really, at this point you’ve laid your cards on the table. So I just want to thank you ahead of time—honestly, from the bottom of my heart—for ensuring that I can just concentrate on doing whatever I want in any formerly Soviet region that is of geopolitical, military, or economic value to Russia without having to worry one iota about suffering any consequences. Thanks for making that 100-percent clear to me.

There is one thing I want to say though, and I feel a little silly admitting this, but there was actually a moment earlier when I did feel a little dread. For one unnerving second there, I thought you imposed sanctions on Russia’s broad national economy, but then I saw the sanctions were just directed at a few of my advisers and some bank I don’t care about. Boy, talk about a major relief!

Really, this whole thing has gone so smoothly that my only real regret is that I just wish I had known earlier that you guys were this mellow about hostile military takeovers. It makes me wonder what took me so long to get around to this.
datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States529 Posts
March 21 2014 05:20 GMT
#7313
^ The link that works is: http://www.theonion.com/articles/thanks-for-being-so-cool-about-everything,35584/
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 21 2014 05:25 GMT
#7314
Have any of the sanctions targeted Putin himself?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
March 21 2014 07:20 GMT
#7315
On March 21 2014 14:25 zlefin wrote:
Have any of the sanctions targeted Putin himself?


Are you mad !? we would all be nuked in seconds!
oh in the sun sun having fun
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 21 2014 07:54 GMT
#7316
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/21/world/europe/ukraine-sets-deadline-for-militias-to-surrender-illegal-guns.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=0

KIEV, Ukraine — In an effort to stabilize Ukraine and extend its authority, the interim government has set a deadline of Friday for turning in the illegal firearms that are now carried openly by so-called self-defense groups in Independence Square, the politically important plaza in the center of the capital.

“For those who want to defend their country with an assault rifle in their hands, welcome to the National Guard or the Army,” Mr. Yatsenyuk said in a speech this week.

“It’s not normal to ask people to hand in their weapons in the situation we have now,” Dmytro Yarosh, the leader of a right-wing paramilitary group, Right Sector, said in an interview this week. His organization opposes the request to surrender its weapons, but will comply with the law, he said.

Pistols that fire nonlethal plastic or rubber bullets are also legal for citizens who can demonstrate a risk of assault because of their profession, which in Ukraine can include law enforcement officers for off-duty use, civil servants and journalists.

never knew this.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 21 2014 09:54 GMT
#7317
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
March 21 2014 15:30 GMT
#7318
eu should have waited till after the elections -.-
ace hwaiting!!
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
March 21 2014 15:32 GMT
#7319
It's a preliminary thing. I would be surprised if the EU did anything substantial with a government which wasn't elected.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
March 21 2014 15:58 GMT
#7320
It's not like the Ukraine has been left with any option to the east. Enter a customs union with an occupant?
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