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lol, so much misunderstanding about China here.
Basically, China is running full capitalism. Chinese only care about making money and don't care about politics. Western countries should stop funding the so-called democracy fighter.
The original purpose of democratic is bringing people better standard of living, unfortunately, it really do not work out for developing countries where the politician only know cheat people. I am not saying that the political system in China is perfect or as good as the system in the West but it is most suited system now in China, and it is reforming and improving gradually, which you will know that if u follow the Chinese news. Chinese don't want some radical reform that take the country into chaos. Complete duplicate the European/NA model in China only generate more corruption and danger the situation in the country.
anyway, I really cannot see a country that can fast grow its economics and benefit 1.3billion people that are evil.
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Russian Federation117 Posts
On March 20 2014 23:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 23:30 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 20 2014 23:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:09 FatCat_13 wrote:Can you read Ukrainian or just google-translate? Ye, i know Ukranian pretty well. But sometimes i use translator in case i can't understand some weird words. Cute language tho, hard to speak for me. On March 20 2014 23:10 Ghanburighan wrote:That's a bit too much foreign language to go through but as I could gather, they will have a temporary law (state of emergency?) which allows people judged to be suspicious (didn't understand the conditions fully) to be detained for 30 days. The purpose is to stop provocations/sabotage or something similar. Basically they can just arrest almost everyone. It's like first step before repressions usually, that's why i'm getting worried about it. I won't be surprised if some of big politician figures get arrested as well, especially, from Eastern Ukraine. There were definitely some conditions, can't understand the specifics. I will just copypaste it. Article 2 . Order of preventive detention, the person If there are sufficient data obtained in accordance with the laws of Ukraine, which give reason to suspect a person in the preparation or commission of unlawful acts specified in Article 1 of this Act , a person may be detained for up to 30 days. Detention on the basis of a reasoned decision, approved by the chief of the department of internal affairs or security body with warrants, which the detainee met not later than 24 hours after her arrest. Preventive detention does not apply to pregnant women, women over 55 and women with children under the age of fourteen years , I disabled the group of men older than 60 years , as well as persons who have not attained the age at which criminal responsibility. Right to authorize preventive detention have to Prosecutor General of Ukraine , prosecutors Republic of Crimea , regions, cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol , and equivalent prosecutors and their deputies , as well as prosecutors cities and districts. + This. Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine , stating the facts of growth and escalating extremism and separatism in the country which threatens the national interests of the state and society , as well as the territorial integrity of Ukraine , in order to ensure peace and security in the state, enters a temporary order of preventive detention of persons involved in the preparation and crimes against foundations of Ukraine's national security , public safety and public order, against the authority of state bodies, local authorities and citizens' associations and other crimes that undermine the integrity and sovereignty of the state.
So, what's wrong with this law? It does not say to lock down the mothers with little babyes for singing stupid songs in a church.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 20 2014 23:55 FatCat_13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 23:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:30 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 20 2014 23:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:09 FatCat_13 wrote:Can you read Ukrainian or just google-translate? Ye, i know Ukranian pretty well. But sometimes i use translator in case i can't understand some weird words. Cute language tho, hard to speak for me. On March 20 2014 23:10 Ghanburighan wrote:That's a bit too much foreign language to go through but as I could gather, they will have a temporary law (state of emergency?) which allows people judged to be suspicious (didn't understand the conditions fully) to be detained for 30 days. The purpose is to stop provocations/sabotage or something similar. Basically they can just arrest almost everyone. It's like first step before repressions usually, that's why i'm getting worried about it. I won't be surprised if some of big politician figures get arrested as well, especially, from Eastern Ukraine. There were definitely some conditions, can't understand the specifics. I will just copypaste it. Article 2 . Order of preventive detention, the person If there are sufficient data obtained in accordance with the laws of Ukraine, which give reason to suspect a person in the preparation or commission of unlawful acts specified in Article 1 of this Act , a person may be detained for up to 30 days. Detention on the basis of a reasoned decision, approved by the chief of the department of internal affairs or security body with warrants, which the detainee met not later than 24 hours after her arrest. Preventive detention does not apply to pregnant women, women over 55 and women with children under the age of fourteen years , I disabled the group of men older than 60 years , as well as persons who have not attained the age at which criminal responsibility. Right to authorize preventive detention have to Prosecutor General of Ukraine , prosecutors Republic of Crimea , regions, cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol , and equivalent prosecutors and their deputies , as well as prosecutors cities and districts. + This. Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine , stating the facts of growth and escalating extremism and separatism in the country which threatens the national interests of the state and society , as well as the territorial integrity of Ukraine , in order to ensure peace and security in the state, enters a temporary order of preventive detention of persons involved in the preparation and crimes against foundations of Ukraine's national security , public safety and public order, against the authority of state bodies, local authorities and citizens' associations and other crimes that undermine the integrity and sovereignty of the state. So, what's wrong with this law? It does not say to lock down the mothers with little babyes for singing stupid songs in a church.
Because it's basically martial law in country with ability to remove everyone who will cheer for Russia, let's say. They don't have to tell you why are you getting punished except for thing that "You're suspicious guy who're escalating separatism idea", it's basic.
Without actual initiation of martial law to hold elections.
And lol, don't even try to connect it with Pussy Riot.
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On March 21 2014 00:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 23:55 FatCat_13 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:30 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 20 2014 23:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:09 FatCat_13 wrote:Can you read Ukrainian or just google-translate? Ye, i know Ukranian pretty well. But sometimes i use translator in case i can't understand some weird words. Cute language tho, hard to speak for me. On March 20 2014 23:10 Ghanburighan wrote:That's a bit too much foreign language to go through but as I could gather, they will have a temporary law (state of emergency?) which allows people judged to be suspicious (didn't understand the conditions fully) to be detained for 30 days. The purpose is to stop provocations/sabotage or something similar. Basically they can just arrest almost everyone. It's like first step before repressions usually, that's why i'm getting worried about it. I won't be surprised if some of big politician figures get arrested as well, especially, from Eastern Ukraine. There were definitely some conditions, can't understand the specifics. I will just copypaste it. Article 2 . Order of preventive detention, the person If there are sufficient data obtained in accordance with the laws of Ukraine, which give reason to suspect a person in the preparation or commission of unlawful acts specified in Article 1 of this Act , a person may be detained for up to 30 days. Detention on the basis of a reasoned decision, approved by the chief of the department of internal affairs or security body with warrants, which the detainee met not later than 24 hours after her arrest. Preventive detention does not apply to pregnant women, women over 55 and women with children under the age of fourteen years , I disabled the group of men older than 60 years , as well as persons who have not attained the age at which criminal responsibility. Right to authorize preventive detention have to Prosecutor General of Ukraine , prosecutors Republic of Crimea , regions, cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol , and equivalent prosecutors and their deputies , as well as prosecutors cities and districts. + This. Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine , stating the facts of growth and escalating extremism and separatism in the country which threatens the national interests of the state and society , as well as the territorial integrity of Ukraine , in order to ensure peace and security in the state, enters a temporary order of preventive detention of persons involved in the preparation and crimes against foundations of Ukraine's national security , public safety and public order, against the authority of state bodies, local authorities and citizens' associations and other crimes that undermine the integrity and sovereignty of the state. So, what's wrong with this law? It does not say to lock down the mothers with little babyes for singing stupid songs in a church. Because it's basically martial law in country with ability to remove everyone who will cheer for Russia, let's say. They don't have to tell you why are you getting punished except for thing that "You're suspicious guy who're escalating separatism idea", it's basic. Without actual initiation of martial law to hold elections. And lol, don't even try to connect it with Pussy Riot.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/journalist-questioned-after-asking-for-troops-to-liberate-russians-from-corrupt-officials/496393.html
Yeah Ukraine has a lot to learn from Russian legal system
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 21 2014 00:17 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:55 FatCat_13 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:30 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 20 2014 23:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:09 FatCat_13 wrote:Can you read Ukrainian or just google-translate? Ye, i know Ukranian pretty well. But sometimes i use translator in case i can't understand some weird words. Cute language tho, hard to speak for me. On March 20 2014 23:10 Ghanburighan wrote:That's a bit too much foreign language to go through but as I could gather, they will have a temporary law (state of emergency?) which allows people judged to be suspicious (didn't understand the conditions fully) to be detained for 30 days. The purpose is to stop provocations/sabotage or something similar. Basically they can just arrest almost everyone. It's like first step before repressions usually, that's why i'm getting worried about it. I won't be surprised if some of big politician figures get arrested as well, especially, from Eastern Ukraine. There were definitely some conditions, can't understand the specifics. I will just copypaste it. Article 2 . Order of preventive detention, the person If there are sufficient data obtained in accordance with the laws of Ukraine, which give reason to suspect a person in the preparation or commission of unlawful acts specified in Article 1 of this Act , a person may be detained for up to 30 days. Detention on the basis of a reasoned decision, approved by the chief of the department of internal affairs or security body with warrants, which the detainee met not later than 24 hours after her arrest. Preventive detention does not apply to pregnant women, women over 55 and women with children under the age of fourteen years , I disabled the group of men older than 60 years , as well as persons who have not attained the age at which criminal responsibility. Right to authorize preventive detention have to Prosecutor General of Ukraine , prosecutors Republic of Crimea , regions, cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol , and equivalent prosecutors and their deputies , as well as prosecutors cities and districts. + This. Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine , stating the facts of growth and escalating extremism and separatism in the country which threatens the national interests of the state and society , as well as the territorial integrity of Ukraine , in order to ensure peace and security in the state, enters a temporary order of preventive detention of persons involved in the preparation and crimes against foundations of Ukraine's national security , public safety and public order, against the authority of state bodies, local authorities and citizens' associations and other crimes that undermine the integrity and sovereignty of the state. So, what's wrong with this law? It does not say to lock down the mothers with little babyes for singing stupid songs in a church. Because it's basically martial law in country with ability to remove everyone who will cheer for Russia, let's say. They don't have to tell you why are you getting punished except for thing that "You're suspicious guy who're escalating separatism idea", it's basic. Without actual initiation of martial law to hold elections. And lol, don't even try to connect it with Pussy Riot. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/journalist-questioned-after-asking-for-troops-to-liberate-russians-from-corrupt-officials/496393.html Yeah Ukraine has a lot to learn from Russian legal system
Ah, this dude :D My friends from Vologda told me about it, it's fun.
Probably he will just pay some moneys for it, not big amount, and that's all.
Noone at least will get him in jail because he joked.
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On March 20 2014 22:59 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On March 20 2014 22:22 sgtnoobkilla wrote:On March 20 2014 21:44 Saumure wrote:
So... how many people did Russia kill in Ukraine up until now? But General Secre-...President Putin and Comrade Lavrov say those "polite people" definitely aren't Russians, so we have to believe them!  On March 20 2014 20:25 whiteLotus wrote:
See ya Baltics , hope you havent forgot russian language :\ He would have to really lose all of his marbles if he tried that rubbish with Estonia. I'm pretty sure even Putin wouldn't dare to take a NATO member head-on like that. As for the rest of Ukraine however... Well since Obama said USA does not want a military conflict with Russia, Putin just might try it. Not over the Ukraine but over NATO members its a given.
Truthfully I don't believe they will. They and UK also signed an agreement (and Russia) to protect Ukraine and they didn't do shit while Russia did opposite. When push comes to shove, USA interests trump all others and war with Russia is a big NO-NO.
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On March 20 2014 23:50 niukasu1990 wrote:
lol, so much misunderstanding about China here.
Basically, China is running full capitalism. Chinese only care about making money and don't care about politics. Western countries should stop funding the so-called democracy fighter.
Russia as well as China are running full state capitalism. That's like normal capitalism, but with only corrupt politicians profiting from it. And the cool thing about democracy is you don't actually need to fund it, people automatically want it at a certain point during a country's development.
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On March 21 2014 01:34 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 22:59 heliusx wrote:On March 20 2014 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On March 20 2014 22:22 sgtnoobkilla wrote:On March 20 2014 21:44 Saumure wrote:
So... how many people did Russia kill in Ukraine up until now? But General Secre-...President Putin and Comrade Lavrov say those "polite people" definitely aren't Russians, so we have to believe them! On March 20 2014 20:25 whiteLotus wrote:
See ya Baltics , hope you havent forgot russian language :\ He would have to really lose all of his marbles if he tried that rubbish with Estonia. I'm pretty sure even Putin wouldn't dare to take a NATO member head-on like that. As for the rest of Ukraine however... Well since Obama said USA does not want a military conflict with Russia, Putin just might try it. Not over the Ukraine but over NATO members its a given. Truthfully I don't believe they will. They and UK also signed an agreement (and Russia) to protect Ukraine and they didn't do shit while Russia did opposite. When push comes to shove, USA interests trump all others and war with Russia is a big NO-NO.
Political agreement is a bit different than basically dismantling the NATO. If a NATO-State gets attacked and nobody helps, the NATO is history. And i don't believe that the US (or any other NATO state) would let that happen, since it's a huge political instrument (and was founded because of almost the exact same situation "we're in" right now, the cold war).
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Basically, the US would fight their inevitable future wars alone. As in, european countries except maybe the UK (just maybe) will give the US the middle finger the next time they want to bring democracy somewhere.
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On March 21 2014 01:34 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 22:59 heliusx wrote:On March 20 2014 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On March 20 2014 22:22 sgtnoobkilla wrote:On March 20 2014 21:44 Saumure wrote:
So... how many people did Russia kill in Ukraine up until now? But General Secre-...President Putin and Comrade Lavrov say those "polite people" definitely aren't Russians, so we have to believe them! On March 20 2014 20:25 whiteLotus wrote:
See ya Baltics , hope you havent forgot russian language :\ He would have to really lose all of his marbles if he tried that rubbish with Estonia. I'm pretty sure even Putin wouldn't dare to take a NATO member head-on like that. As for the rest of Ukraine however... Well since Obama said USA does not want a military conflict with Russia, Putin just might try it. Not over the Ukraine but over NATO members its a given. Truthfully I don't believe they will. They and UK also signed an agreement (and Russia) to protect Ukraine
No, they didn't. They promised to respect Ukraine's sovereignty, not to protect it. Big difference.
and they didn't do shit while Russia did opposite. When push comes to shove, USA interests trump all others and war with Russia is a big NO-NO.
Yes, but a big chunk of US power is based on selling 'protection'. They won't look kindly on anyone trying to undermine their business model.
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On March 21 2014 01:48 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 01:34 -Archangel- wrote:On March 20 2014 22:59 heliusx wrote:On March 20 2014 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On March 20 2014 22:22 sgtnoobkilla wrote:On March 20 2014 21:44 Saumure wrote:
So... how many people did Russia kill in Ukraine up until now? But General Secre-...President Putin and Comrade Lavrov say those "polite people" definitely aren't Russians, so we have to believe them! On March 20 2014 20:25 whiteLotus wrote:
See ya Baltics , hope you havent forgot russian language :\ He would have to really lose all of his marbles if he tried that rubbish with Estonia. I'm pretty sure even Putin wouldn't dare to take a NATO member head-on like that. As for the rest of Ukraine however... Well since Obama said USA does not want a military conflict with Russia, Putin just might try it. Not over the Ukraine but over NATO members its a given. Truthfully I don't believe they will. They and UK also signed an agreement (and Russia) to protect Ukraine and they didn't do shit while Russia did opposite. When push comes to shove, USA interests trump all others and war with Russia is a big NO-NO. Political agreement is a bit different than basically dismantling the NATO. If a NATO-State gets attacked and nobody helps, the NATO is history. And i don't believe that the US (or any other NATO state) would let that happen, since it's a huge political instrument (and was founded because of almost the exact same situation "we're in" right now, the cold war). edit: Basically, the US would fight their inevitable future wars alone. As in, european countries except maybe the UK (just maybe) will give the US the middle finger the next time they want to bring democracy somewhere. it was never tested against a real opponent. So far it is a piece of paper.
Fighting Russia for Estonia? Keep telling yourself that. As someone said earlier nato regulations don't state you need to fight directly.
and USA can always say to the big members they would assist them.
Maybe if republicans get in charge before Russia decides to test NATO. ..
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NATO is USA's most important alliance and the muscle behind the United Nations and the rest of the neoliberal internationalist order. If you're saying that the US will not go to war to protect a NATO member after the collective self-defense clause is invoked then you're saying that Barack Obama is willing to toss most of the post-WW2 framework of international relations into the trash can. He isn't.
I really wouldn't advise any country to test the hypothesis that the US won't go to war if the NATO member attacked isn't "big" enough. Especially if it is the second country attacked in a short period of time even if the first one wasn't a NATO member. People start to think very differently about things when it goes from a dispute with a limited invasion / conflict between two countries to one country invading multiple neighbors.
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Russian Federation117 Posts
On March 21 2014 00:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 23:55 FatCat_13 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:30 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 20 2014 23:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:09 FatCat_13 wrote:Can you read Ukrainian or just google-translate? Ye, i know Ukranian pretty well. But sometimes i use translator in case i can't understand some weird words. Cute language tho, hard to speak for me. On March 20 2014 23:10 Ghanburighan wrote:That's a bit too much foreign language to go through but as I could gather, they will have a temporary law (state of emergency?) which allows people judged to be suspicious (didn't understand the conditions fully) to be detained for 30 days. The purpose is to stop provocations/sabotage or something similar. Basically they can just arrest almost everyone. It's like first step before repressions usually, that's why i'm getting worried about it. I won't be surprised if some of big politician figures get arrested as well, especially, from Eastern Ukraine. There were definitely some conditions, can't understand the specifics. I will just copypaste it. Article 2 . Order of preventive detention, the person If there are sufficient data obtained in accordance with the laws of Ukraine, which give reason to suspect a person in the preparation or commission of unlawful acts specified in Article 1 of this Act , a person may be detained for up to 30 days. Detention on the basis of a reasoned decision, approved by the chief of the department of internal affairs or security body with warrants, which the detainee met not later than 24 hours after her arrest. Preventive detention does not apply to pregnant women, women over 55 and women with children under the age of fourteen years , I disabled the group of men older than 60 years , as well as persons who have not attained the age at which criminal responsibility. Right to authorize preventive detention have to Prosecutor General of Ukraine , prosecutors Republic of Crimea , regions, cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol , and equivalent prosecutors and their deputies , as well as prosecutors cities and districts. + This. Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine , stating the facts of growth and escalating extremism and separatism in the country which threatens the national interests of the state and society , as well as the territorial integrity of Ukraine , in order to ensure peace and security in the state, enters a temporary order of preventive detention of persons involved in the preparation and crimes against foundations of Ukraine's national security , public safety and public order, against the authority of state bodies, local authorities and citizens' associations and other crimes that undermine the integrity and sovereignty of the state. So, what's wrong with this law? It does not say to lock down the mothers with little babyes for singing stupid songs in a church. Because it's basically martial law in country with ability to remove everyone who will cheer for Russia, let's say. They don't have to tell you why are you getting punished except for thing that "You're suspicious guy who're escalating separatism idea", it's basic. Without actual initiation of martial law to hold elections. And lol, don't even try to connect it with Pussy Riot.
If I understand you correctly you suspected the law would be used incorrectly i.e. to deal with whoever cheers for Russia (or in other words, whoever does something you don't like them doing).
I gave you an example of the similar use of law in Russia yet everybody was fine with that. Why bother?
edit: Timchenko, Rotenberg and Kovalchyuk are sanctioned by USA. With these I say it's getting serious... no good for us.
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On March 21 2014 00:26 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:17 Fjodorov wrote:On March 21 2014 00:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:55 FatCat_13 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:30 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 20 2014 23:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:09 FatCat_13 wrote:Can you read Ukrainian or just google-translate? Ye, i know Ukranian pretty well. But sometimes i use translator in case i can't understand some weird words. Cute language tho, hard to speak for me. On March 20 2014 23:10 Ghanburighan wrote:That's a bit too much foreign language to go through but as I could gather, they will have a temporary law (state of emergency?) which allows people judged to be suspicious (didn't understand the conditions fully) to be detained for 30 days. The purpose is to stop provocations/sabotage or something similar. Basically they can just arrest almost everyone. It's like first step before repressions usually, that's why i'm getting worried about it. I won't be surprised if some of big politician figures get arrested as well, especially, from Eastern Ukraine. There were definitely some conditions, can't understand the specifics. I will just copypaste it. Article 2 . Order of preventive detention, the person If there are sufficient data obtained in accordance with the laws of Ukraine, which give reason to suspect a person in the preparation or commission of unlawful acts specified in Article 1 of this Act , a person may be detained for up to 30 days. Detention on the basis of a reasoned decision, approved by the chief of the department of internal affairs or security body with warrants, which the detainee met not later than 24 hours after her arrest. Preventive detention does not apply to pregnant women, women over 55 and women with children under the age of fourteen years , I disabled the group of men older than 60 years , as well as persons who have not attained the age at which criminal responsibility. Right to authorize preventive detention have to Prosecutor General of Ukraine , prosecutors Republic of Crimea , regions, cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol , and equivalent prosecutors and their deputies , as well as prosecutors cities and districts. + This. Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine , stating the facts of growth and escalating extremism and separatism in the country which threatens the national interests of the state and society , as well as the territorial integrity of Ukraine , in order to ensure peace and security in the state, enters a temporary order of preventive detention of persons involved in the preparation and crimes against foundations of Ukraine's national security , public safety and public order, against the authority of state bodies, local authorities and citizens' associations and other crimes that undermine the integrity and sovereignty of the state. So, what's wrong with this law? It does not say to lock down the mothers with little babyes for singing stupid songs in a church. Because it's basically martial law in country with ability to remove everyone who will cheer for Russia, let's say. They don't have to tell you why are you getting punished except for thing that "You're suspicious guy who're escalating separatism idea", it's basic. Without actual initiation of martial law to hold elections. And lol, don't even try to connect it with Pussy Riot. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/journalist-questioned-after-asking-for-troops-to-liberate-russians-from-corrupt-officials/496393.html Yeah Ukraine has a lot to learn from Russian legal system Ah, this dude :D My friends from Vologda told me about it, it's fun. Probably he will just pay some moneys for it, not big amount, and that's all. Noone at least will get him in jail because he joked.
I like your style.
No actual people arrested in Ukraine under Ukrainian laws, you: FASCISM IS COMING
Actual people arrested in Russia under Russian laws, you: hehe, its okay, he just pay moneys and it will be fine!
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The airspace of Baltic states is actively protected by jets from other members (Baltic Air Policing) so if Russia attacked Estonia it would also have to deal with NATO jets (currently from USA). I don't think Baltic states are in danger, they are in much better position than Ukraine or Georgia.
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Yes I should have mentioned the US moved some more fighter jets to the Baltic states and already had soldiers there and air patrols with other NATO members over the Baltic states' airspace. Russia can't attack them without instantly having to fight Americans. Which Russia does not want to do. All this talk about USA not wanting to fight Russia, that applies a hundred times more to Russia not wanting to fight USA.
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On March 21 2014 02:22 FatCat_13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:55 FatCat_13 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:30 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 20 2014 23:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:09 FatCat_13 wrote:Can you read Ukrainian or just google-translate? Ye, i know Ukranian pretty well. But sometimes i use translator in case i can't understand some weird words. Cute language tho, hard to speak for me. On March 20 2014 23:10 Ghanburighan wrote:That's a bit too much foreign language to go through but as I could gather, they will have a temporary law (state of emergency?) which allows people judged to be suspicious (didn't understand the conditions fully) to be detained for 30 days. The purpose is to stop provocations/sabotage or something similar. Basically they can just arrest almost everyone. It's like first step before repressions usually, that's why i'm getting worried about it. I won't be surprised if some of big politician figures get arrested as well, especially, from Eastern Ukraine. There were definitely some conditions, can't understand the specifics. I will just copypaste it. Article 2 . Order of preventive detention, the person If there are sufficient data obtained in accordance with the laws of Ukraine, which give reason to suspect a person in the preparation or commission of unlawful acts specified in Article 1 of this Act , a person may be detained for up to 30 days. Detention on the basis of a reasoned decision, approved by the chief of the department of internal affairs or security body with warrants, which the detainee met not later than 24 hours after her arrest. Preventive detention does not apply to pregnant women, women over 55 and women with children under the age of fourteen years , I disabled the group of men older than 60 years , as well as persons who have not attained the age at which criminal responsibility. Right to authorize preventive detention have to Prosecutor General of Ukraine , prosecutors Republic of Crimea , regions, cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol , and equivalent prosecutors and their deputies , as well as prosecutors cities and districts. + This. Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine , stating the facts of growth and escalating extremism and separatism in the country which threatens the national interests of the state and society , as well as the territorial integrity of Ukraine , in order to ensure peace and security in the state, enters a temporary order of preventive detention of persons involved in the preparation and crimes against foundations of Ukraine's national security , public safety and public order, against the authority of state bodies, local authorities and citizens' associations and other crimes that undermine the integrity and sovereignty of the state. So, what's wrong with this law? It does not say to lock down the mothers with little babyes for singing stupid songs in a church. Because it's basically martial law in country with ability to remove everyone who will cheer for Russia, let's say. They don't have to tell you why are you getting punished except for thing that "You're suspicious guy who're escalating separatism idea", it's basic. Without actual initiation of martial law to hold elections. And lol, don't even try to connect it with Pussy Riot. edit: Timchenko, Rotenberg and Kovalchyuk are sanctioned by USA. With these I say it's getting serious... no good for us.
Still kind of small time. Timchenko was already fleeing from the West after Swiss began to examine his business dealings -- and you know you have to have done some shady stuff for the Swiss to wake up and get involved. But I suppose since 1/3rd of his business is now basically acting as the front end of Rosneft exports to the West its meant to be as a blow to Sechin?
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Russian Federation117 Posts
On March 21 2014 02:23 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:26 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 21 2014 00:17 Fjodorov wrote:On March 21 2014 00:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:55 FatCat_13 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:30 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 20 2014 23:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 20 2014 23:09 FatCat_13 wrote:Can you read Ukrainian or just google-translate? Ye, i know Ukranian pretty well. But sometimes i use translator in case i can't understand some weird words. Cute language tho, hard to speak for me. On March 20 2014 23:10 Ghanburighan wrote:That's a bit too much foreign language to go through but as I could gather, they will have a temporary law (state of emergency?) which allows people judged to be suspicious (didn't understand the conditions fully) to be detained for 30 days. The purpose is to stop provocations/sabotage or something similar. Basically they can just arrest almost everyone. It's like first step before repressions usually, that's why i'm getting worried about it. I won't be surprised if some of big politician figures get arrested as well, especially, from Eastern Ukraine. There were definitely some conditions, can't understand the specifics. I will just copypaste it. Article 2 . Order of preventive detention, the person If there are sufficient data obtained in accordance with the laws of Ukraine, which give reason to suspect a person in the preparation or commission of unlawful acts specified in Article 1 of this Act , a person may be detained for up to 30 days. Detention on the basis of a reasoned decision, approved by the chief of the department of internal affairs or security body with warrants, which the detainee met not later than 24 hours after her arrest. Preventive detention does not apply to pregnant women, women over 55 and women with children under the age of fourteen years , I disabled the group of men older than 60 years , as well as persons who have not attained the age at which criminal responsibility. Right to authorize preventive detention have to Prosecutor General of Ukraine , prosecutors Republic of Crimea , regions, cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol , and equivalent prosecutors and their deputies , as well as prosecutors cities and districts. + This. Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine , stating the facts of growth and escalating extremism and separatism in the country which threatens the national interests of the state and society , as well as the territorial integrity of Ukraine , in order to ensure peace and security in the state, enters a temporary order of preventive detention of persons involved in the preparation and crimes against foundations of Ukraine's national security , public safety and public order, against the authority of state bodies, local authorities and citizens' associations and other crimes that undermine the integrity and sovereignty of the state. So, what's wrong with this law? It does not say to lock down the mothers with little babyes for singing stupid songs in a church. Because it's basically martial law in country with ability to remove everyone who will cheer for Russia, let's say. They don't have to tell you why are you getting punished except for thing that "You're suspicious guy who're escalating separatism idea", it's basic. Without actual initiation of martial law to hold elections. And lol, don't even try to connect it with Pussy Riot. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/journalist-questioned-after-asking-for-troops-to-liberate-russians-from-corrupt-officials/496393.html Yeah Ukraine has a lot to learn from Russian legal system Ah, this dude :D My friends from Vologda told me about it, it's fun. Probably he will just pay some moneys for it, not big amount, and that's all. Noone at least will get him in jail because he joked. I like your style. No actual people arrested in Ukraine under Ukrainian laws, you: FASCISM IS COMING Actual people arrested in Russia under Russian laws, you: hehe, its okay, he just pay moneys and it will be fine!
Well, I think some have been arrested. That's no different from Russia though. Has nothing to do with fascism.
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