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Gorsameth
Netherlands22704 Posts
On March 20 2014 09:57 Ghanburighan wrote: Talking about Russian isolation: Also, don't they realize that blocking the OSCE monitoring mission blows their entire `we are protecting minorities' story out of the water? That story is smoke. Everyone knows it. How does this change anything. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 20 2014 09:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: You instantly moved every arrow to Russia like there was at least SINGLE NOTIFICATION about that's Russian guys who destablises atmosphere. :D I'm just saying that if i were on place of someone of candidates, i would have already abused this stuff in media, just to be heard by people. Where did I say Russia is causing this, the report just says there is a conspiracy that they found. I just said that the security services in Ukraine are not the way they are in Russia, the leader cant just order them to do something that isnt within his power to do, like go create a conspiracy against country X so we can use it in press, and they carry it out instantly whether the target is pro-Western or pro-Russian forces. And then I explained that Ukrainian politicians dont really need to make much more up, Russia just annexed a Ukrainian territory and Putin literally announced that he has a right to interfere in his big speech about how the Russian race must be protected everywhere. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
don't think you can get less credible than that, but i'm sure they're gonna give it their best shot. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
So about this relocation, this problem appeared several years ago (before this shit), it is about a situation, which in russian is called "самозахват земли" (land squatting), building houses on the land, without permission, quite a problem in Russia, i.e. in my hometown this also exists (no one cared about the land in the 90s). And "recently" the government started to care. It is sometimes solved by legalization of this property, sometimes they make people to return the land to the government. So this man (Temirgaliyev, who is tatar himself) proposed the same solution, to legalize some, and to return some to the government (he gives as an examle the land aroung some road in Simpheropol) with allocating the land in some other place. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
On March 20 2014 12:02 zlefin wrote: Lotsa Russian lying in the UN today. I guess letting people talk, even if they're blatantly lying, is somehow important for diplomacy. of course :D + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/assets/images/content/colin-powell-presenting-false.jpg) | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
On March 20 2014 12:16 zlefin wrote: I see you can't muster any actual defense, so resort to such pathetic attempts as that, on things that have already been addressed thoroughly elsewhere. Sad. Please learn to see the differences amongst things, maybe you'll learn to pick better leaders then. thank you for your concern about me, will you teach me? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 20 2014 11:28 ne4aJIb wrote: Read this article on en.ria.ru about tatars, then the original interview on russian on ria.ru. I am surpised they (ria is russian information agency) translated just some sentences and omitted the rest, which gives a better context. It is like when I read "translations" of the football coaches and players interviews from english on some russian sport websites, which make me like "wtf", then I go to the source to read the origin and understand that they meant sometimes absolutely different things. So about this relocation, this problem appeared several years ago (before this shit), it is about a situation, which in russian is called "самозахват земли" (land squatting), building houses on the land, without permission, quite a problem in Russia, i.e. in my hometown this also exists (no one cared about the land in the 90s). And "recently" the government started to care. It is sometimes solved by legalization of this property, sometimes they make people to return the land to the government. So this man (Temirgaliyev, who is tatar himself) proposed the same solution, to legalize some, and to return some to the government (he gives as an examle the land aroung some road in Simpheropol) with allocating the land in some other place. Яркий пример — есть Татарстан, Ингушетия, Чечня — те регионы, где проживают мусульмане. То же самое будет касаться и крымских татар. РИА Новости http://ria.ru/interview/20140318/1000000049.html#ixzz2wTH7YTCF lol Yes, the Tatars have to give up the land they were ethnically cleansed of in '44 because its actually worth something and get other land in return. Its just a convenient timing to resolve the land issue now and not in the any time prior to this. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
With this brawl Ukraine defends the Title of the Country with the most fights in Parliament. Trying to point out some Svoboda guy beating someone up as being an indication of Ukraine being run by the fascist vampires seems wrong. Ukraine politics special tactic is the right jab guys. The one with Klitschko I'm impressed he didn't hulk out and destroy some doughy guys. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
I wonder, has anyone done polling to find the most entertaining to watch legislature? | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
Reading fb gave an impression that many ppl don't trust the government and tend to blaim it for giving away the Crimea, well who would have thought. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On March 20 2014 13:00 DeepElemBlues wrote: http://parliamentfights.wordpress.com/ Trying to point out some Svoboda guy beating someone up as being an indication of Ukraine being run by the fascist vampires seems wrong. Ukraine politics special tactic is the right jab guys. The one with Klitschko I'm impressed he didn't hulk out and destroy some doughy guys. This is amazing haha! I guess I was done studying for finals anyways... | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On March 20 2014 13:08 zlefin wrote: Hmmm, cspan would be more entertaining to watch if there were more fist fights. I wonder, has anyone done polling to find the most entertaining to watch legislature? Not as entertaining as a good fistfight but the House of Commons can be quite fun sometimes. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 20 2014 12:02 zlefin wrote: Lotsa Russian lying in the UN today. I guess letting people talk, even if they're blatantly lying, is somehow important for diplomacy. Reminds me of this thread... | ||
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Mc
332 Posts
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/19/natural-gas-industry-back-congress-efforts-to-help-ukraine-says-energy-dept/ And a more in depth view: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/12/ukraine-gas-exports_n_4945352.html | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 20 2014 17:11 Mc wrote: I'm always sceptical of foxnews but I like what I hear http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/19/natural-gas-industry-back-congress-efforts-to-help-ukraine-says-energy-dept/ And a more in depth view: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/12/ukraine-gas-exports_n_4945352.html Those are pretty bad analyses, though (to be expected considering both sources). The LNG deregulation isn't even intended to help Ukraine, it's crucial for a) reducing the Russian gas dependence of certain allies such as Estonia, but also other important countries like Finland, b) to pull down the price of gas on the world market. If there's more gas on the market, no matter where it is, it has a dampening effect on the prices, making the Russian budget way harder to balance. The timing is also fine, for example, the Baltic Sea LNG terminal is still in its planning stages. Whatever positive effect the deregulation will have will follow in a few years. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On March 20 2014 17:18 Ghanburighan wrote: Those are pretty bad analyses, though (to be expected considering both sources). The LNG deregulation isn't even intended to help Ukraine, it's crucial for a) reducing the Russian gas dependence of certain allies such as Estonia, but also other important countries like Finland, b) to pull down the price of gas on the world market. If there's more gas on the market, no matter where it is, it has a dampening effect on the prices, making the Russian budget way harder to balance. The timing is also fine, for example, the Baltic Sea LNG terminal is still in its planning stages. Whatever positive effect the deregulation will have will follow in a few years. Even if this goes through, it's hard to determine what or how much effect it'll have, but if anything can push Russia to develop industries seen more often in modernized countries than fossil fuel mining/refining, then that's a plus for them. The biggest woe of the Russian economy is the number of now-neglected industries from the Soviet era. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On March 20 2014 13:00 DeepElemBlues wrote: http://parliamentfights.wordpress.com/ Trying to point out some Svoboda guy beating someone up as being an indication of Ukraine being run by the fascist vampires seems wrong. Ukraine politics special tactic is the right jab guys. The one with Klitschko I'm impressed he didn't hulk out and destroy some doughy guys. he's probably too smart to make a martyr out of one of them. imagine how a semi competent politician can spin just getting touched by the world heavyweight champ. | ||
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