EPTOn March 20 2014 06:27 nunez wrote:
twitch chat.
twitch chat.
I lolled. All is forgiven.
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
I lolled. All is forgiven. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 20 2014 04:01 Ghanburighan wrote: That's not true either, consider for example the WTO or UN, both are based on multilateral treaties with independent bodies making decisions which are enforced independently (albeit with contributions from members). Generally the idea is that members receive benefits from membership and when they violate rules, those benefits are taken from them. Of course, there are holes (such as the UNSC veto) but that does not allow you to throw away international law. And the fact that something cannot be enforced also does not make it less of a violation. It's like saying that it's not a violation to move a chess pawn 3 squares because no-one can punish you for it. Once you make that move, the rules of chess have been violated. And with this respect, there's nothing `formal' about the difference between different rules. For example, as the Kyoto Protocol had to be ratified to be binding, no-one considers the US in violation of the Kyoto Protocol as it did not ratify it. But as an agreement doesn't require ratification, a country is deemed in violation of said agreement if it signed it and yet violates its articles. As I said the only reason for countries to adhere to agreements is if it benefits them. Yes, you receive benefits from membership, but if some scenario gives you more benefits by violating the rules, there is no enforcement. Your analogy with chess is bad, both players in chess earnestly agree to abide by the rules. If you violate chess rules, you did not win a chess game. There is absolutely no analogy with real international relations as you gaining is absolutely not tied to abiding by the rules. Your description of the "non-formal" differences between agreements and treaties is perfect description of completely formal and not substantial differences. It is all formal, because the effects of/punishment for the violation depend on things completely unrelated to the distinction you are trying to make. Note I am not saying that international law is useless. But it is a social engineering tool, it has no inherent value and cannot be used reliably to make ethical judgments. | ||
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Mc
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On March 20 2014 07:24 Mc wrote: In case you haven't seen the video yet. These MPs need to be kicked out of government if Ukraine wants continued Western support. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5GeBpZ5VHY Well that's awkward. | ||
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Greem
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On March 20 2014 06:27 nunez wrote: twitch chat. lol  | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
@MaximEristavi:"I did everything right" at AG office in Kyiv: Svoboda MP Myroshnychenko defends his attack on @1tvua CEO by @skorykm hope this idiot gets a lot of press time, he will provide us with entertainment. | ||
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m4ini
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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m4ini
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On a serious note: i'm pretty curious what follows for that guy. Not that it could make or brake anything, but it'll be telling imho. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22704 Posts
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Sub40APM
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On March 20 2014 08:27 m4ini wrote: It were EU snipers though, i was told by Pale. On a serious note: i'm pretty curious what follows for that guy. Not that it could make or brake anything, but it'll be telling imho. The Svoboda leader announced that this guy's immunity will be removed if the prosecutor general asked -- apparently all Ukrainian MPs have government immunity -- | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22704 Posts
On March 20 2014 08:44 Sub40APM wrote: The Svoboda leader announced that this guy's immunity will be removed if the prosecutor general asked -- apparently all Ukrainian MPs have government immunity -- a pretty normal thing to be fair. Its one of the reasons why Berlusconi was desperate to keep in power in Italy. So he could avoid prosecution. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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Source in Ukrainian | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 20 2014 09:29 Ghanburighan wrote: This will be news soon, what I can gather is that several sleeper cells have been discovered and apprehended with detailed plans how to destabilize the country and ruin the elections in May. Source in Ukrainian Tbh, it looks like paranoid try to earn some votes before elections. Especially if someone from future candidates will force this theme soon in press/media. | ||
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Sub40APM
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On March 20 2014 09:32 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Tbh, it looks like paranoid try to earn some votes before elections. Especially if someone from future candidates will force this theme soon in press/media. SBU is not politicized the way the FSB has been. Yanukovich couldnt get them to say that Euromaidan is a fascist foreigner plot, Yats cant just get them to announce the opposite either. Besides, with Ukraine territory actually being annexed and Putin actually announcing he has the right to invade Ukraine any time he decides Russians are oppressed the politicians have all the data points they need... | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 20 2014 09:38 Sub40APM wrote: SBU is not politicized the way the FSB has been. Yanukovich couldnt get them to say that Euromaidan is a fascist foreigner plot, Yats cant just get them to announce the opposite either. Besides, with Ukraine territory actually being annexed and Putin actually announcing he has the right to invade Ukraine any time he decides Russians are oppressed the politicians have all the data points they need... You instantly moved every arrow to Russia like there was at least SINGLE NOTIFICATION about that's Russian guys who destablises atmosphere. :D I'm just saying that if i were on place of someone of candidates, i would have already abused this stuff in media, just to be heard by people. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
On March 20 2014 09:43 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: You instantly moved every arrow to Russia like there was at least SINGLE NOTIFICATION about that's Russian guys who destablises atmosphere. :D I'm just saying that if i were on place of someone of candidates, i would have already abused this stuff in media, just to be heard by people. Well, who else would it be? Russia has JUST invaded and annexed a part of their country, and is apparently willing to continue to invade other countries to "protect russians". So a plot to make it seem like a country they really want to invade is instable and in need of invasion to help the people there is perfectly in line with other stuff Putin does. | ||
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m4ini
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You instantly moved every arrow to Russia like there was at least SINGLE NOTIFICATION about that's Russian guys who destablises atmosphere. :D To be fair, after the initial event of EuroMaidan, it's "pro-russian-defense-forces" who actively try to destabilze the region, beat up/kidnap journalists, block observers etc. Not saying that those are 100% russians or ukrainians working for russia, but to assume it, is not that far off and certainly not a joke. And as a russian fella here mentioned already, ukraine had to be destabilized to grab crimea back. That's not from me, but a russian person in this thread. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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Also, don't they realize that blocking the OSCE monitoring mission blows their entire `we are protecting minorities' story out of the water? | ||
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m4ini
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Also, don't they realize that blocking the OSCE monitoring mission blows their entire `we are protecting minorities' story out of the water? Allowing it wouldn't? | ||
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