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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 19 2014 19:48 GMT
#7141
In the third step france also will stop the delivery of the mistral helicopter-carriers, so while this doesn't hurt russia economically, it still hurts.

I wonder what the US will do though, in the third round.
On track to MA1950A.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 19 2014 19:49 GMT
#7142
On March 20 2014 04:44 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
Merkel found Germany's balls over the weekend, all of a sudden they're number 2 behind the US in severity of their rhetoric / threatened "consequences."


As far as i know, this is the first economic intervention so far of any country, isn't it?


There were reports of the Czech Republic cancelling a nuclear power plant deal.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 19 2014 19:50 GMT
#7143
On March 20 2014 04:40 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Merkel found Germany's balls over the weekend, all of a sudden they're number 2 behind the US in severity of their rhetoric / threatened "consequences." I think more than anything it's Merkel's personal relationship with Putin which seems to have been pretty much destroyed by this.

Yes, the tone is unusually harsh for her standards. But I think it's the right thing to do. Putin simply doesn't give a crap about appeasement and needs a kick in the nuts.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 19 2014 19:51 GMT
#7144
On March 20 2014 04:49 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 04:44 m4ini wrote:
Merkel found Germany's balls over the weekend, all of a sudden they're number 2 behind the US in severity of their rhetoric / threatened "consequences."


As far as i know, this is the first economic intervention so far of any country, isn't it?


There were reports of the Czech Republic cancelling a nuclear power plant deal.


Didn't know that, were there details of it in this thread?
On track to MA1950A.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
March 19 2014 19:55 GMT
#7145
On March 20 2014 04:40 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 04:04 xM(Z wrote:
i don't think any of you understood what will happen with the tartars ...
have you even read that press release?, or only the bolded part.

Edit: Crimea under Ukraine have been clashing (with) and evicting tartar squatters for 5 years...


We understand, they'll get put in a part of Crimea that is easier to put the lid on and will also probably be poorer in natural resources and trade routes as well. That's what happens when you get relocated because you're part of some undesirable minority.

Was Ukraine dealing with Tatar squatters en masse or on an individual / family / community basis? It's one thing to deal with people individually or in small groups that have some connection (like families) if they're "squatting" on land but it's another to ask or demand whole communities pack up and go.

We're all at least somewhat aware of how Russia treated the Tatars in the not too distant past and this is not an indication that they've changed so try to minimize it all you want.

Show nested quote +

Note the bit about scrutinizing a Russian energy deal. It provides an indication of the level of ambition Germany is (or is not) considering.


Merkel found Germany's balls over the weekend, all of a sudden they're number 2 behind the US in severity of their rhetoric / threatened "consequences." I think more than anything it's Merkel's personal relationship with Putin which seems to have been pretty much destroyed by this.

crackdown from like 5yrs ago, it's not in english but the video speaks for itself.


i agree that there could be a total fail if relocation isn't done properly and even if done right there will still be problems.
for now they go with the legality (being on their side somehow ...) issue, so i guess time will tell.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 20:01:39
March 19 2014 19:57 GMT
#7146
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/russia-might-lose-nuclear-deal-over-ukraine

PRAGUE (AP) — A Russian company might lose a multibillion-dollar contract to build two nuclear reactors in the Czech Republic following Russia's military intervention in Ukraine, two members of the Czech government said on Monday.

Defense Minister Martin Stropnicky said that under the current circumstances he can "hardly imagine" that Russia would be in charge of the project at the Temelin plant. Human Rights Minister Jiri Dienstbier backed his comments.

U.S.-based Westinghouse Electric Co. and a consortium led by Russia's Atomstroyexport are bidding to build the reactors.


Yeah the US will take that contract thanks Vladimir!

Maybe the West will go for a thousand cuts type of deal where there's not one big round of sanctions for Russia to tear its shirt over but deals canceled here assets frozen there until it all adds up to being painful enough that Putin can't send his cronies to mock it on twitter.

crackdown from like 5yrs ago, it's not in english but the video speaks for itself.


from that video looks like most of the police formed multiple perimeters and sent in smaller teams so it wasn't 950 guys rolling over 50 guys.

the police didn't seem too rough except for kicking that guy and hitting him with their sticks when he was down which is pretty bad and i'm sure more of that went on and that's unfortunately how it is a lot of the time outside of the west. no one is saying ukraine was a paradise in 2008 or any other recent time that's one of the reasons the people finally rebelled.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
March 19 2014 19:57 GMT
#7147
On March 20 2014 04:46 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 04:44 m4ini wrote:
Merkel found Germany's balls over the weekend, all of a sudden they're number 2 behind the US in severity of their rhetoric / threatened "consequences."


As far as i know, this is the first economic intervention so far of any country, isn't it?


I think so. The US took the lead in the first round with the more important names on their list of bad Russian people and now Germany is leading the way with Europe's economic second round. The US might not impose economic sanctions until and unless it goes to the third round which is supposed to be we're super duper cereal about it now Russia time, so the first time Washington does it it'll have more impact. But maybe the US will announce some economic consequences later this week or sometime soon who knows.

edit: and it's not like these are huge moves by germany but it sends the message that germany is willing to do things like this and with merkel's party calling for an investigation it sends the message that they are willing to go farther. at various times in history germany and russia have been able to talk and get along and cooperate pretty well and the putin-merkel era of relations has been one of them for the most part, until now.


What economic sanctions!!?? Sources please If Merkel actually grew a pair that'd be nice (sex change is legal in Germany I presume?).
5hh.gg
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
March 19 2014 19:58 GMT
#7148
On March 20 2014 04:40 DeepElemBlues wrote:

Merkel found Germany's balls over the weekend, all of a sudden they're number 2 behind the US in severity of their rhetoric / threatened "consequences." I think more than anything it's Merkel's personal relationship with Putin which seems to have been pretty much destroyed by this.



I posted about 150 pages ago already that just because the first (and usually right) reaction of German chancellors against eastern dictatorships is dialogue, due to our history with eastern Germany, doesn't mean that Merkel isn't willing to start threatening Russia properly should it not work. I think it was even in response to a post of yours.
Back then Merkel was the first one to take any kind of action (even if it wasn't a threatening one), while the rest of the countries were still debating on what to do and now she's apparently also the first one to actually put the economical sanctions into action.
Just because she doesn't flaunt her balls as other leaders do, doesn't mean that Miss Teflon's pants are empty.
Am I allowed to gloat and say something like "called it!" now?
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 20:06:38
March 19 2014 20:06 GMT
#7149
What economic sanctions!!?? Sources please If Merkel actually grew a pair that'd be nice (sex change is legal in Germany I presume?).


Maybe sanctions isn't the right word because this is less formal but it is the German government ordering a private company to not fulfill a contract with the Russian government.

I posted about 150 pages ago already that just because the first (and usually right) reaction of German chancellors against eastern dictatorships is dialogue, due to our history with eastern Germany, doesn't mean that Merkel isn't willing to start threatening Russia properly should it not work. I think it was even in response to a post of yours.
Back then Merkel was the first one to take any kind of action (even if it wasn't a threatening one), while the rest of the countries were still debating on what to do and now she's apparently also the first one to actually put the economical sanctions into action.
Just because she doesn't flaunt her balls as other leaders do, doesn't mean that Miss Teflon's pants are empty.
Am I allowed to gloat and say something like "called it!" now?


You're forgetting some of Germany's most glorious history with Charlemagne and the Teutonic Knights and others dealing with eastern dictatorships by putting most of them to the sword :p

I should have added that I didn't think Germany wasn't going to get serious which what I wrote implied.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
March 19 2014 20:14 GMT
#7150
On the other hand we have this:

Ukrainian MP assaults television station chief for 'pro-Russian' stance
Footage of Igor Miroshnichenko and five men forcing Oleksandr Panteleymonov to write resignation leader released online

Guardian article

No wonder the Russian side could spread propaganda about the opposition in the Ukraine being all fascists when people like that were allowed to take positions of responsibility. Without those stories spreading in the eastern parts there wouldn't have been such a clear-cut opportunity to take over Crimea. Svoboda is the weakness of the new Ukrainian government. And it was western diplomacy that failed to contain them.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 19 2014 20:16 GMT
#7151
On March 20 2014 04:57 Mc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 04:46 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On March 20 2014 04:44 m4ini wrote:
Merkel found Germany's balls over the weekend, all of a sudden they're number 2 behind the US in severity of their rhetoric / threatened "consequences."


As far as i know, this is the first economic intervention so far of any country, isn't it?


I think so. The US took the lead in the first round with the more important names on their list of bad Russian people and now Germany is leading the way with Europe's economic second round. The US might not impose economic sanctions until and unless it goes to the third round which is supposed to be we're super duper cereal about it now Russia time, so the first time Washington does it it'll have more impact. But maybe the US will announce some economic consequences later this week or sometime soon who knows.

edit: and it's not like these are huge moves by germany but it sends the message that germany is willing to do things like this and with merkel's party calling for an investigation it sends the message that they are willing to go farther. at various times in history germany and russia have been able to talk and get along and cooperate pretty well and the putin-merkel era of relations has been one of them for the most part, until now.


What economic sanctions!!?? Sources please If Merkel actually grew a pair that'd be nice (sex change is legal in Germany I presume?).

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/germany-halts-major-arms-deal-russia-184506900.html
(http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-bundesregierung-stoppt-ruestungsgeschaeft-mit-russland-a-959708.html)

Also the government is thinking about stopping a big deal(several billions) that would involve Russia buying DEA, a gas-subcompany of RWE
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 20:20:09
March 19 2014 20:19 GMT
#7152
already answered question.
5hh.gg
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 19 2014 20:22 GMT
#7153
Poor russians, i played with Rheinmetall-toys before, they're missing out.

About DEA, lets hope they're smart enough to do so.
On track to MA1950A.
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
March 19 2014 20:34 GMT
#7154
On March 20 2014 05:14 Maenander wrote:
On the other hand we have this:

Show nested quote +
Ukrainian MP assaults television station chief for 'pro-Russian' stance
Footage of Igor Miroshnichenko and five men forcing Oleksandr Panteleymonov to write resignation leader released online

Guardian article

No wonder the Russian side could spread propaganda about the opposition in the Ukraine being all fascists when people like that were allowed to take positions of responsibility. Without those stories spreading in the eastern parts there wouldn't have been such a clear-cut opportunity to take over Crimea. Svoboda is the weakness of the new Ukrainian government. And it was western diplomacy that failed to contain them.


Don't worry I am sure he'll be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, by the Prosecutor General, who also happens to be from Svoboda.


Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 19 2014 20:36 GMT
#7155
On March 20 2014 05:34 kukarachaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 05:14 Maenander wrote:
On the other hand we have this:

Ukrainian MP assaults television station chief for 'pro-Russian' stance
Footage of Igor Miroshnichenko and five men forcing Oleksandr Panteleymonov to write resignation leader released online

Guardian article

No wonder the Russian side could spread propaganda about the opposition in the Ukraine being all fascists when people like that were allowed to take positions of responsibility. Without those stories spreading in the eastern parts there wouldn't have been such a clear-cut opportunity to take over Crimea. Svoboda is the weakness of the new Ukrainian government. And it was western diplomacy that failed to contain them.


Don't worry I am sure he'll be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, by the Prosecutor General, who also happens to be from Svoboda.



This isnt Russia, if the Svoboda guy doesnt want to prosecute his own guy the PM can remove him from cabinet.
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 20:44:10
March 19 2014 20:43 GMT
#7156
On March 20 2014 05:36 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 05:34 kukarachaa wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:14 Maenander wrote:
On the other hand we have this:

Ukrainian MP assaults television station chief for 'pro-Russian' stance
Footage of Igor Miroshnichenko and five men forcing Oleksandr Panteleymonov to write resignation leader released online

Guardian article

No wonder the Russian side could spread propaganda about the opposition in the Ukraine being all fascists when people like that were allowed to take positions of responsibility. Without those stories spreading in the eastern parts there wouldn't have been such a clear-cut opportunity to take over Crimea. Svoboda is the weakness of the new Ukrainian government. And it was western diplomacy that failed to contain them.


Don't worry I am sure he'll be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, by the Prosecutor General, who also happens to be from Svoboda.



This isnt Russia, if the Svoboda guy doesnt want to prosecute his own guy the PM can remove him from cabinet.


Come on man you smarter than that, it is very much like Russia. Svoboda guys didn't get those government positions based on their good looks or their sharp wits. They did their part in the revolution and got their slice of the pie, no one will touch them, especially in the current situation. Sure maybe 10 years down the road when things have calmed down they can get rid of those parasites safely, right now they can't.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 19 2014 20:52 GMT
#7157
On March 20 2014 05:43 kukarachaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 05:36 Sub40APM wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:34 kukarachaa wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:14 Maenander wrote:
On the other hand we have this:

Ukrainian MP assaults television station chief for 'pro-Russian' stance
Footage of Igor Miroshnichenko and five men forcing Oleksandr Panteleymonov to write resignation leader released online

Guardian article

No wonder the Russian side could spread propaganda about the opposition in the Ukraine being all fascists when people like that were allowed to take positions of responsibility. Without those stories spreading in the eastern parts there wouldn't have been such a clear-cut opportunity to take over Crimea. Svoboda is the weakness of the new Ukrainian government. And it was western diplomacy that failed to contain them.


Don't worry I am sure he'll be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, by the Prosecutor General, who also happens to be from Svoboda.



This isnt Russia, if the Svoboda guy doesnt want to prosecute his own guy the PM can remove him from cabinet.


Come on man you smarter than that, it is very much like Russia. Svoboda guys didn't get those government positions based on their good looks or their sharp wits. They did their part in the revolution and got their slice of the pie, no one will touch them, especially in the current situation. Sure maybe 10 years down the road when things have calmed down they can get rid of those parasites safely, right now they can't.

Well we will see, the Minister of the Interior seems pretty clear that he is ready to act against the MPs involved.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
March 19 2014 21:23 GMT
#7158
comedy to watch the shitclowns from kiev crap-carneval still soiling the movement though, kinda bittersweet, but still.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 19 2014 21:25 GMT
#7159
Where did you learn such language, at a brothel by the docks?
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
March 19 2014 21:27 GMT
#7160
twitch chat.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
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