Ukraine Crisis - Page 358

On March 20 2014 04:44 m4ini wrote:


As far as i know, this is the first economic intervention so far of any country, isn't it?

On March 20 2014 04:40 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Merkel found Germany's balls over the weekend, all of a sudden they're number 2 behind the US in severity of their rhetoric / threatened "consequences." I think more than anything it's Merkel's personal relationship with Putin which seems to have been pretty much destroyed by this.

On March 20 2014 04:49 Ghanburighan wrote:


There were reports of the Czech Republic cancelling a nuclear power plant deal.

On March 20 2014 04:40 DeepElemBlues wrote:


We understand, they'll get put in a part of Crimea that is easier to put the lid on and will also probably be poorer in natural resources and trade routes as well. That's what happens when you get relocated because you're part of some undesirable minority.

Was Ukraine dealing with Tatar squatters en masse or on an individual / family / community basis? It's one thing to deal with people individually or in small groups that have some connection (like families) if they're "squatting" on land but it's another to ask or demand whole communities pack up and go.

We're all at least somewhat aware of how Russia treated the Tatars in the not too distant past and this is not an indication that they've changed so try to minimize it all you want.



Merkel found Germany's balls over the weekend, all of a sudden they're number 2 behind the US in severity of their rhetoric / threatened "consequences." I think more than anything it's Merkel's personal relationship with Putin which seems to have been pretty much destroyed by this.

PRAGUE (AP) — A Russian company might lose a multibillion-dollar contract to build two nuclear reactors in the Czech Republic following Russia's military intervention in Ukraine, two members of the Czech government said on Monday.

Defense Minister Martin Stropnicky said that under the current circumstances he can "hardly imagine" that Russia would be in charge of the project at the Temelin plant. Human Rights Minister Jiri Dienstbier backed his comments.

U.S.-based Westinghouse Electric Co. and a consortium led by Russia's Atomstroyexport are bidding to build the reactors.

crackdown from like 5yrs ago, it's not in english but the video speaks for itself.

On March 20 2014 04:46 DeepElemBlues wrote:


I think so. The US took the lead in the first round with the more important names on their list of bad Russian people and now Germany is leading the way with Europe's economic second round. The US might not impose economic sanctions until and unless it goes to the third round which is supposed to be we're super duper cereal about it now Russia time, so the first time Washington does it it'll have more impact. But maybe the US will announce some economic consequences later this week or sometime soon who knows.

edit: and it's not like these are huge moves by germany but it sends the message that germany is willing to do things like this and with merkel's party calling for an investigation it sends the message that they are willing to go farther. at various times in history germany and russia have been able to talk and get along and cooperate pretty well and the putin-merkel era of relations has been one of them for the most part, until now.

On March 20 2014 04:40 DeepElemBlues wrote:

Merkel found Germany's balls over the weekend, all of a sudden they're number 2 behind the US in severity of their rhetoric / threatened "consequences." I think more than anything it's Merkel's personal relationship with Putin which seems to have been pretty much destroyed by this.

What economic sanctions!!?? Sources please If Merkel actually grew a pair that'd be nice (sex change is legal in Germany I presume?).

I posted about 150 pages ago already that just because the first (and usually right) reaction of German chancellors against eastern dictatorships is dialogue, due to our history with eastern Germany, doesn't mean that Merkel isn't willing to start threatening Russia properly should it not work. I think it was even in response to a post of yours.
Back then Merkel was the first one to take any kind of action (even if it wasn't a threatening one), while the rest of the countries were still debating on what to do and now she's apparently also the first one to actually put the economical sanctions into action.
Just because she doesn't flaunt her balls as other leaders do, doesn't mean that Miss Teflon's pants are empty.
Am I allowed to gloat and say something like "called it!" now?

Ukrainian MP assaults television station chief for 'pro-Russian' stance
Footage of Igor Miroshnichenko and five men forcing Oleksandr Panteleymonov to write resignation leader released online

On March 20 2014 04:57 Mc wrote:


What economic sanctions!!?? Sources please If Merkel actually grew a pair that'd be nice (sex change is legal in Germany I presume?).

On March 20 2014 05:14 Maenander wrote:
On the other hand we have this:


Guardian article

No wonder the Russian side could spread propaganda about the opposition in the Ukraine being all fascists when people like that were allowed to take positions of responsibility. Without those stories spreading in the eastern parts there wouldn't have been such a clear-cut opportunity to take over Crimea. Svoboda is the weakness of the new Ukrainian government. And it was western diplomacy that failed to contain them.

On March 20 2014 05:34 kukarachaa wrote:


Don't worry I am sure he'll be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, by the Prosecutor General, who also happens to be from Svoboda.

On March 20 2014 05:36 Sub40APM wrote:

This isnt Russia, if the Svoboda guy doesnt want to prosecute his own guy the PM can remove him from cabinet.

On March 20 2014 05:43 kukarachaa wrote:


Come on man you smarter than that, it is very much like Russia. Svoboda guys didn't get those government positions based on their good looks or their sharp wits. They did their part in the revolution and got their slice of the pie, no one will touch them, especially in the current situation. Sure maybe 10 years down the road when things have calmed down they can get rid of those parasites safely, right now they can't.