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On March 20 2014 01:30 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 01:04 mcc wrote:On March 19 2014 23:28 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 19 2014 23:22 fleeze wrote:On March 19 2014 23:18 Gorsameth wrote:On March 19 2014 23:15 FatCat_13 wrote:On March 19 2014 23:10 hypercube wrote:On March 19 2014 23:00 radiatoren wrote:On March 19 2014 22:35 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 19 2014 22:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
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It wasn't approved by any parliaments (UK, US and Russia).
But let's not argue about it now.
Thing is that UK and US really just ignored it almost absolutely like always happen with lesser countries. It was an agreement, those aren't ratified in parliaments... Doesn't make them void, though. Well, it is kind of a fickle situation. As soon as Russia breached the territorial integrity of Ukraine, USA and UK would be forced to honour the agreement too, which would have resulted in war. UK and USA found it unnecessary to escalate the situation and therefore didn't hold up their end of the deal, if it is true that the agreement is valid. We end up in a situation where nobody honoured this agreement. Russia broke it first, that is correct, but USA and UK broke it too... As someone has pointed out in this thread before the Budapest Memorandum is not a security guarantee. All it says that these countries won't attack Ukraine not that they would protect it against aggression. The thing is that there was no formal "attack". Russia and Ukraine had a contract allowing russian troops up to 25k on the bases in Crimea. Russia originally had 14k and added 11k just within the contract. I highly doubt that contract allowed those troops to blockade roads into Crimea and blockade Ukrainian military bases inside Crimea. just look at the current situation from a russian perspective: crimea is no longer a part of the ukraine (this is a FACT right now, doesn't matter if you like it or not) the ukraine soldiers stationed in crimea have no business being there. the ukraine minister of defense (of the swoboda party) does not want to withdraw his soldiers and encourages them to use their weapons because he hopes when the situation escalates the west will interfere and help him out. and russia is the aggressor here? On March 19 2014 23:21 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 19 2014 22:43 fleeze wrote:On March 19 2014 22:35 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 19 2014 22:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 19 2014 22:20 lolfail9001 wrote:On March 19 2014 22:18 Gorsameth wrote:
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the US, UK and Russia had a treaty to protect Ukraine's sovereign integrity.
One of those Invaded it. The other 2 stood by and let it happen.
You tell me that anyone in that region is feeling safe right now?
Had a treaty? Apparently there is an info that treaty (at least in Russia) was not really approved (ratificated?) It wasn't approved by any parliaments (UK, US and Russia). But let's not argue about it now. Thing is that UK and US really just ignored it almost absolutely like always happen with lesser countries. It was an agreement, those aren't ratified in parliaments... Doesn't make them void, though. ah, must be the same as the agreement that the NATO won't expand past the iron curtain? "agreements" are held in high respect by both sides it seems. *sigh*, please educate yourself before you type. The foreign ministers of the US and Germany PROMISED to Soviet leaders that NATO would not expand. This was never signed as an agreement. It's still a broken promise, but not a part of international law. Breaking it merely (but rightly) damaged the diplomatic relations between the US, Germany and the Russian Federation. An agreement is a signed document which does is binding before international law. i don't see any difference here? broken promise against broken promise. doesn't matter at all if it's written down or not. That basically amounts to sticking fingers in your ears and shouting "NANANANANA". But should I ever buy a house from you, let's not sign a contract, I just promise to give you the money afterwards. Surely that's equally good in your eyes. Verbal contracts are as binding as written ones in many countries. The only difference is the difficulty of proving the contents of the contract. You're talking about a verbal contract. What I said was a promise. But, honestly, the distinction in international law between an agreement and a treaty is not the same as a contract and promise anyway. I was only trying to give him an intuitive analogy, but he just proceeded to argue against that. I proclaim it a hopeless cause.
Well I agree that there is a difference between national and international law, I just have different reason for it. I think actual value of the promise or treaty in international relations is the same and differences are purely formal and quite meaningless in practice as enforcement is in the hands of the parties in question.
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On March 20 2014 01:32 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Just to be sure mcc, do you truly beleive that those are local paramilitary groups?
Or you really advocating that when some reporters managed to interview some russian soldiers stupid enough to say they are russian soldiers, that they are just local paramilitary groups who happen to own BMPs and helicopters and have military advisors from russia.
I just said they are "military advisors", so obviously they are not local paramilitaries  Of course they are most likely Russian soldiers. My point was that international law is a joke as bigger players can justify whatever they want and international consensus is just a version of mob-justice. There is no legitimate enforcement.
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On March 20 2014 01:32 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Just to be sure mcc, do you truly beleive that those are local paramilitary groups?
Or you really advocating that when some reporters managed to interview some russian soldiers stupid enough to say they are russian soldiers, that they are just local paramilitary groups who happen to own BMPs and helicopters and have military advisors from russia.
Where do you get helicopters from just curious, I think I watched nearly all the videos related to Crimea, and I yet to see one.
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On March 20 2014 01:41 kukarachaa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 01:32 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Just to be sure mcc, do you truly beleive that those are local paramilitary groups?
Or you really advocating that when some reporters managed to interview some russian soldiers stupid enough to say they are russian soldiers, that they are just local paramilitary groups who happen to own BMPs and helicopters and have military advisors from russia. Where do you get helicopters from just curious, I think I watched nearly all the videos related to Crimea, and I yet to see one.
When Crimea's airports where taken over at the start of this mess.
Multiple accounts of Russian Military helicopters ferrying in troops.
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On March 20 2014 01:42 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 01:41 kukarachaa wrote:On March 20 2014 01:32 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Just to be sure mcc, do you truly beleive that those are local paramilitary groups?
Or you really advocating that when some reporters managed to interview some russian soldiers stupid enough to say they are russian soldiers, that they are just local paramilitary groups who happen to own BMPs and helicopters and have military advisors from russia. Where do you get helicopters from just curious, I think I watched nearly all the videos related to Crimea, and I yet to see one. When Crimea's airports where taken over at the start of this mess. Multiple accounts of Russian Military helicopters ferrying in troops.
Nothing wrong with ferrying troops to the bases and back, happens all the time. The way he implied it there are Russian helicopters dropping Russian troops all over Crimea.
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On March 20 2014 01:50 kukarachaa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 01:42 Gorsameth wrote:On March 20 2014 01:41 kukarachaa wrote:On March 20 2014 01:32 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Just to be sure mcc, do you truly beleive that those are local paramilitary groups?
Or you really advocating that when some reporters managed to interview some russian soldiers stupid enough to say they are russian soldiers, that they are just local paramilitary groups who happen to own BMPs and helicopters and have military advisors from russia. Where do you get helicopters from just curious, I think I watched nearly all the videos related to Crimea, and I yet to see one. When Crimea's airports where taken over at the start of this mess. Multiple accounts of Russian Military helicopters ferrying in troops. Nothing wrong with ferrying troops to the bases and back, happens all the time. The way he implied it there are Russian helicopters dropping Russian troops all over Crimea.
but there are russian troops all over Crimea.
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Wow, just readed translated version (http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1288667380717.html)
I can translate to english(not best english).
Venäjän henkinen ja sotilaallinen voima nousee uudelleen kaikessa mahtavuudessaan, palautuu Alaska, Baltia, Puola ja Suomi, kaikki nämä ovat venäläisiä alueita, osa Venäjää, Kokorev kaavaili.
"Russia's mental and military power will rise again in all its mightiness, Alaska, Baltia, Poland and Finland. All these are Russian areas, part of Russia."
That guy is out of his mind :O
more:
- Seuraava askel on koko Moldova ja koko Ukraina. Ja sitten kaikki muut entiset Neuvostoliiton alueet, Venäjä yhdistyy ja keskittyy, kuten aina ennenkin, Kokorev kirjoitti Facebookissa.
- Next step is Moldova ja whole Ukraine. After that all ex soviet union lands. Russia will unite and centre, like always previously.
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intl law may be powerless but one can surely think and judge actions without intl law. if there is no police in ur neighborhood are u gonna go "i can kill ppl and take stuff"?
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Crimean Tatars Will Have to Vacate Land – OfficialMOSCOW, March 18 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine’s breakaway region of Crimea will ask Tatars to vacate part of the land where they now live in exchange for new territory elsewhere in the region, a top Crimean government official said Tuesday. Crimean Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliyev said in an interview with RIA Novosti on Tuesday the new government in Crimea, where residents voted Sunday to become part of Russia, wants to regularize the land unofficially taken over by Crimean Tatar squatters following the collapse of the Soviet Union. “We have asked the Crimean Tatars to vacate part of their land, which is required for social needs,” Temirgaliyev said. “But we are ready to allocate and legalize many other plots of land to ensure a normal life for the Crimean Tatars,” he said. Temirgaliyev emphasized that members of the Tatar community could receive senior political positions in the new government, in an apparent move to ease ethnic tensions in the region. “I think that Crimean Tatars will be well represented in the government and parliament,” he said. The Crimean Tatars, a historic people of the region, were deported en masse to Central Asia by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin 70 years ago. Although many of them returned in the early 1990s, they were unable to reclaim the land they had possessed before their deportation.
Many Crimean Tatars have taken over unclaimed land as squatters by building houses, farms and mosques. Ukrainian authorities have in the past failed to settle the land disputes.The Tatars, who make up 15 percent of Crimea’s population, remain amongst the staunchest supporters of the new government in Kiev that ousted President Viktor Yanukovych last month. Crimea, a largely Russian-speaking autonomous republic within Ukraine, was part of Russia until it was gifted to Ukraine by Soviet leaders in 1954. Putin signed a decree Monday recognizing Crimea as an independent state, following a referendum Sunday that saw voters on the peninsula overwhelmingly support secession and reunification with Russia. Nearly 30 percent of Crimean Tatars voted in favor of reunification with Russia at Sunday’s referendum, Temirgaliyev said.
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On March 20 2014 02:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Wow, just readed translated version (http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1288667380717.html) I can translate to english(not best english). Venäjän henkinen ja sotilaallinen voima nousee uudelleen kaikessa mahtavuudessaan, palautuu Alaska, Baltia, Puola ja Suomi, kaikki nämä ovat venäläisiä alueita, osa Venäjää, Kokorev kaavaili. "Russia's mental and military power will rise again in all its mightiness, Alaska, Baltia, Poland and Finland. All these are Russian areas, part of Russia." That guy is out of his mind :O more: - Seuraava askel on koko Moldova ja koko Ukraina. Ja sitten kaikki muut entiset Neuvostoliiton alueet, Venäjä yhdistyy ja keskittyy, kuten aina ennenkin, Kokorev kirjoitti Facebookissa. - Next step is Moldova ja whole Ukraine. After that all ex soviet union lands. Russia will unite and centre, like always previously.
Who is that guy, never heard of him, tried googling, can't find anything either.
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On March 20 2014 02:05 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 01:50 kukarachaa wrote:On March 20 2014 01:42 Gorsameth wrote:On March 20 2014 01:41 kukarachaa wrote:On March 20 2014 01:32 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Just to be sure mcc, do you truly beleive that those are local paramilitary groups?
Or you really advocating that when some reporters managed to interview some russian soldiers stupid enough to say they are russian soldiers, that they are just local paramilitary groups who happen to own BMPs and helicopters and have military advisors from russia. Where do you get helicopters from just curious, I think I watched nearly all the videos related to Crimea, and I yet to see one. When Crimea's airports where taken over at the start of this mess. Multiple accounts of Russian Military helicopters ferrying in troops. Nothing wrong with ferrying troops to the bases and back, happens all the time. The way he implied it there are Russian helicopters dropping Russian troops all over Crimea. but there are russian troops all over Crimea.
I can only make judgement from what I see from videos, looks like the checkpoints between Crimea and Ukraine are manned by Berkut. Most of policing in Crimea is done by self defense militias. The only time I see Russian military is when they show Ukranian bases, I would hardly call it all around Crimea.
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Moscow signals concern for Russians in Estonia(Reuters) - Russia signaled concern on Wednesday at Estonia's treatment of its large ethnic Russian minority, comparing language policy in the Baltic state with what it said was a call in Ukraine to prevent the use of Russian.
Russia has defended its annexation of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula by arguing it has the right to protect Russian-speakers outside its borders, so the reference to linguistic tensions in another former Soviet republic comes at a highly sensitive moment.Russia fully supported the protection of the rights of linguistic minorities, a Moscow diplomat told the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva, according to a summary of the session issued by the U.N.'s information department. "Language should not be used to segregate and isolate groups," the diplomat was reported as saying. Russia was "concerned by steps taken in this regard in Estonia as well as in Ukraine," the Moscow envoy was said to have added. The text of the Russian remarks, echoing long-standing complaints over Estonia's insistence that the large Russian minority in the east of the country should be able to speak Estonian, was not immediately available. But amid the growing Crimea crisis, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania - which like Ukraine were all parts of the old Soviet Union - have expressed growing apprehension over Moscow's intentions. U.S. Vice President Joe Biden is currently in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius as part of a trip to reassure the three countries, all European Union and NATO members, of Washington's support. Ukraine told the rights council that U.N. experts had found no credible evidence of mistreatment of its Russian minority as alleged by Moscow -- one of whose pro-Kremlin newspapers said this week there was "bloodshed almost like in Syria" in the east of the country. The new government in Kiev, a Ukrainian envoy declared, was reinvigorating its promotion and protection of the rights of minorities "to the highest international standards". The envoy asked what measures could be taken to protect Ukrainian, Crimean Tatar and other minority groups in Crimea "whose rights are being violated under the Russian occupation." Responding, the Russian delegate said there were no violations of minority rights in Crimea and minorities were not being persecuted. The new Russian-backed government there had guaranteed protection of the Tatars.
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On March 20 2014 02:16 Saryph wrote:
ok so we had math earlier show that 3 out of 4 non Russians in Crimea voted for reunification for the numbers to add up.
30% Tatars in favor.
Hm... Yeah those numbers sure make a lot of sense lol.
Wonder how Turkey is going to react to this news aswell. I doubt they are happy right now considering there public support of the Tatars.
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On March 20 2014 02:41 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +Moscow signals concern for Russians in Estonia(Reuters) - Russia signaled concern on Wednesday at Estonia's treatment of its large ethnic Russian minority, comparing language policy in the Baltic state with what it said was a call in Ukraine to prevent the use of Russian.
Russia has defended its annexation of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula by arguing it has the right to protect Russian-speakers outside its borders, so the reference to linguistic tensions in another former Soviet republic comes at a highly sensitive moment.Russia fully supported the protection of the rights of linguistic minorities, a Moscow diplomat told the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva, according to a summary of the session issued by the U.N.'s information department. "Language should not be used to segregate and isolate groups," the diplomat was reported as saying. Russia was "concerned by steps taken in this regard in Estonia as well as in Ukraine," the Moscow envoy was said to have added. The text of the Russian remarks, echoing long-standing complaints over Estonia's insistence that the large Russian minority in the east of the country should be able to speak Estonian, was not immediately available. But amid the growing Crimea crisis, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania - which like Ukraine were all parts of the old Soviet Union - have expressed growing apprehension over Moscow's intentions. U.S. Vice President Joe Biden is currently in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius as part of a trip to reassure the three countries, all European Union and NATO members, of Washington's support. Ukraine told the rights council that U.N. experts had found no credible evidence of mistreatment of its Russian minority as alleged by Moscow -- one of whose pro-Kremlin newspapers said this week there was "bloodshed almost like in Syria" in the east of the country. The new government in Kiev, a Ukrainian envoy declared, was reinvigorating its promotion and protection of the rights of minorities "to the highest international standards". The envoy asked what measures could be taken to protect Ukrainian, Crimean Tatar and other minority groups in Crimea "whose rights are being violated under the Russian occupation." Responding, the Russian delegate said there were no violations of minority rights in Crimea and minorities were not being persecuted. The new Russian-backed government there had guaranteed protection of the Tatars.
They sure arnt wasting time looking for new places :p
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On March 20 2014 02:16 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +Crimean Tatars Will Have to Vacate Land – OfficialMOSCOW, March 18 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine’s breakaway region of Crimea will ask Tatars to vacate part of the land where they now live in exchange for new territory elsewhere in the region, a top Crimean government official said Tuesday. Crimean Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliyev said in an interview with RIA Novosti on Tuesday the new government in Crimea, where residents voted Sunday to become part of Russia, wants to regularize the land unofficially taken over by Crimean Tatar squatters following the collapse of the Soviet Union. “We have asked the Crimean Tatars to vacate part of their land, which is required for social needs,” Temirgaliyev said. “But we are ready to allocate and legalize many other plots of land to ensure a normal life for the Crimean Tatars,” he said. Temirgaliyev emphasized that members of the Tatar community could receive senior political positions in the new government, in an apparent move to ease ethnic tensions in the region. “I think that Crimean Tatars will be well represented in the government and parliament,” he said. The Crimean Tatars, a historic people of the region, were deported en masse to Central Asia by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin 70 years ago. Although many of them returned in the early 1990s, they were unable to reclaim the land they had possessed before their deportation.
Many Crimean Tatars have taken over unclaimed land as squatters by building houses, farms and mosques. Ukrainian authorities have in the past failed to settle the land disputes.The Tatars, who make up 15 percent of Crimea’s population, remain amongst the staunchest supporters of the new government in Kiev that ousted President Viktor Yanukovych last month. Crimea, a largely Russian-speaking autonomous republic within Ukraine, was part of Russia until it was gifted to Ukraine by Soviet leaders in 1954. Putin signed a decree Monday recognizing Crimea as an independent state, following a referendum Sunday that saw voters on the peninsula overwhelmingly support secession and reunification with Russia. Nearly 30 percent of Crimean Tatars voted in favor of reunification with Russia at Sunday’s referendum, Temirgaliyev said.
social needs. what a joke. they couldnt wait even a week
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On March 20 2014 02:19 kukarachaa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 02:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Wow, just readed translated version (http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1288667380717.html) I can translate to english(not best english). Venäjän henkinen ja sotilaallinen voima nousee uudelleen kaikessa mahtavuudessaan, palautuu Alaska, Baltia, Puola ja Suomi, kaikki nämä ovat venäläisiä alueita, osa Venäjää, Kokorev kaavaili. "Russia's mental and military power will rise again in all its mightiness, Alaska, Baltia, Poland and Finland. All these are Russian areas, part of Russia." That guy is out of his mind :O more: - Seuraava askel on koko Moldova ja koko Ukraina. Ja sitten kaikki muut entiset Neuvostoliiton alueet, Venäjä yhdistyy ja keskittyy, kuten aina ennenkin, Kokorev kirjoitti Facebookissa. - Next step is Moldova ja whole Ukraine. After that all ex soviet union lands. Russia will unite and centre, like always previously. Who is that guy, never heard of him, tried googling, can't find anything either.
He is in Council of Europe as Russian representative
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On March 20 2014 02:45 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 02:41 Saryph wrote:Moscow signals concern for Russians in Estonia(Reuters) - Russia signaled concern on Wednesday at Estonia's treatment of its large ethnic Russian minority, comparing language policy in the Baltic state with what it said was a call in Ukraine to prevent the use of Russian.
Russia has defended its annexation of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula by arguing it has the right to protect Russian-speakers outside its borders, so the reference to linguistic tensions in another former Soviet republic comes at a highly sensitive moment.Russia fully supported the protection of the rights of linguistic minorities, a Moscow diplomat told the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva, according to a summary of the session issued by the U.N.'s information department. "Language should not be used to segregate and isolate groups," the diplomat was reported as saying. Russia was "concerned by steps taken in this regard in Estonia as well as in Ukraine," the Moscow envoy was said to have added. The text of the Russian remarks, echoing long-standing complaints over Estonia's insistence that the large Russian minority in the east of the country should be able to speak Estonian, was not immediately available. But amid the growing Crimea crisis, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania - which like Ukraine were all parts of the old Soviet Union - have expressed growing apprehension over Moscow's intentions. U.S. Vice President Joe Biden is currently in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius as part of a trip to reassure the three countries, all European Union and NATO members, of Washington's support. Ukraine told the rights council that U.N. experts had found no credible evidence of mistreatment of its Russian minority as alleged by Moscow -- one of whose pro-Kremlin newspapers said this week there was "bloodshed almost like in Syria" in the east of the country. The new government in Kiev, a Ukrainian envoy declared, was reinvigorating its promotion and protection of the rights of minorities "to the highest international standards". The envoy asked what measures could be taken to protect Ukrainian, Crimean Tatar and other minority groups in Crimea "whose rights are being violated under the Russian occupation." Responding, the Russian delegate said there were no violations of minority rights in Crimea and minorities were not being persecuted. The new Russian-backed government there had guaranteed protection of the Tatars. They sure arnt wasting time looking for new places :p
It's the Na'vi strat. First Ukraine (xboct, dendi, funn1k), second Estonia (puppey), third...Germany (kuroky) ?
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On March 20 2014 02:15 oneofthem wrote:
intl law may be powerless but one can surely think and judge actions without intl law. if there is no police in ur neighborhood are u gonna go "i can kill ppl and take stuff"?
Of course we can judge. I was trying to say that legalistic arguments are worthless, but of course we can still make ethical ones.
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On March 20 2014 02:53 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 02:19 kukarachaa wrote:On March 20 2014 02:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Wow, just readed translated version (http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1288667380717.html) I can translate to english(not best english). Venäjän henkinen ja sotilaallinen voima nousee uudelleen kaikessa mahtavuudessaan, palautuu Alaska, Baltia, Puola ja Suomi, kaikki nämä ovat venäläisiä alueita, osa Venäjää, Kokorev kaavaili. "Russia's mental and military power will rise again in all its mightiness, Alaska, Baltia, Poland and Finland. All these are Russian areas, part of Russia." That guy is out of his mind :O more: - Seuraava askel on koko Moldova ja koko Ukraina. Ja sitten kaikki muut entiset Neuvostoliiton alueet, Venäjä yhdistyy ja keskittyy, kuten aina ennenkin, Kokorev kirjoitti Facebookissa. - Next step is Moldova ja whole Ukraine. After that all ex soviet union lands. Russia will unite and centre, like always previously. Who is that guy, never heard of him, tried googling, can't find anything either. He is in Council of Europe as Russian representative
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/russian-official-russia-will-regain-alaska-the-baltic-countries-finland-and-poland-2921534.html
This is written in better english than my translate 
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On March 20 2014 02:53 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 02:19 kukarachaa wrote:On March 20 2014 02:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Wow, just readed translated version (http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1288667380717.html) I can translate to english(not best english). Venäjän henkinen ja sotilaallinen voima nousee uudelleen kaikessa mahtavuudessaan, palautuu Alaska, Baltia, Puola ja Suomi, kaikki nämä ovat venäläisiä alueita, osa Venäjää, Kokorev kaavaili. "Russia's mental and military power will rise again in all its mightiness, Alaska, Baltia, Poland and Finland. All these are Russian areas, part of Russia." That guy is out of his mind :O more: - Seuraava askel on koko Moldova ja koko Ukraina. Ja sitten kaikki muut entiset Neuvostoliiton alueet, Venäjä yhdistyy ja keskittyy, kuten aina ennenkin, Kokorev kirjoitti Facebookissa. - Next step is Moldova ja whole Ukraine. After that all ex soviet union lands. Russia will unite and centre, like always previously. Who is that guy, never heard of him, tried googling, can't find anything either. He is in Council of Europe as Russian representative
Are you sure, I can't find anything with his name and Council of Europe, or any political organizations for that matter.
Edit. my bad misspelled his name, thought it was Korolev tnx.
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