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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 18 2014 22:08 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 22:05 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It was probably best Putin's speech in last 10 years, i'm serious.
Also there is a common joke that Alaska will be next. ^____^ you seem to be pretty happy with the situation. Do you think they will try to "free" more endangered russians in Ukraine ?
Do i need to cry right now when my friends from Sevastopol are spamming me in pm that they're coming asap?
I'm just happy that Putin isn't scared to say everything he thinks and it means that Russia isn't same now like it was in 1999.
Nah, i highly doubt common idea in this thread that Russia will try to annex more.
To be completely fair, i almost sure that at least they will wait until 25th May results on referendums and on Europarlament elections, and then we'll see.
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On March 18 2014 22:11 myminerals wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 21:20 RvB wrote:On March 18 2014 21:16 myminerals wrote:On March 18 2014 19:39 RvB wrote:On March 18 2014 18:39 myminerals wrote:On March 18 2014 17:28 Silvanel wrote:
Polish media reports that turnout during referendum in Sevastopol was 124%. 474k votes cats while theres 383k people registred in Sevastopol. Pretty funny that they still make those kinds of mistakes, i mean they should be pretty good at faking votings right now. Hell, why did they even bother? The general popultion was in favor of being anexed anyway.
Also some people who were against anexation are being evicted from their homes. I am sure that 80% if not more of Crimea citizens would like to join Russia. Above that, the same thing can be said for all eastern cities of Ukraine, such as Donetsk or Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv and many others. Rigged or not this referendum does not prove anything. Crimea has always been a Russian territory with people who think of themselves as Russians and speak Russian, what other facts do you need? I am not saying that it was absolutely right to "annex" this territory now, but I can't disagree with the fact that russian people live there. You're simply wrong. Someone linked a study earlier that before the Maidan only 40% in Crimea even identified as Russian. Why would the other 60% want to join Russia if they don't see themself as one. Ok, read studies. I talk to ppl who actually live in Ukraine. Moreover I live in Belarus and frequently visit Ukraine, so I am somewhat aware of the situation. Who do you think I believe? I don't know, facts seem more important to me. link to the post If that is so, do come to Ukraine and ask ppl in the streets. I think that would get you as closest to the facts as possible than any study you may read.
Yes, because who needs the scientific method to determine anything if we can just wing it.
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Fucking Biden, talked about Ukrainian "regime", he corrected of course, but death stare by Polish PM when he heard that was funny. Biden will be Biden.
Now on a more serious note I think the most important hint was: we will talk with EU on helping them diversify their energy sources. I hope he was hinting export of US natural shell gas to EU,
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On March 18 2014 22:15 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 22:11 myminerals wrote:On March 18 2014 21:20 RvB wrote:On March 18 2014 21:16 myminerals wrote:On March 18 2014 19:39 RvB wrote:On March 18 2014 18:39 myminerals wrote:On March 18 2014 17:28 Silvanel wrote:
Polish media reports that turnout during referendum in Sevastopol was 124%. 474k votes cats while theres 383k people registred in Sevastopol. Pretty funny that they still make those kinds of mistakes, i mean they should be pretty good at faking votings right now. Hell, why did they even bother? The general popultion was in favor of being anexed anyway.
Also some people who were against anexation are being evicted from their homes. I am sure that 80% if not more of Crimea citizens would like to join Russia. Above that, the same thing can be said for all eastern cities of Ukraine, such as Donetsk or Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv and many others. Rigged or not this referendum does not prove anything. Crimea has always been a Russian territory with people who think of themselves as Russians and speak Russian, what other facts do you need? I am not saying that it was absolutely right to "annex" this territory now, but I can't disagree with the fact that russian people live there. You're simply wrong. Someone linked a study earlier that before the Maidan only 40% in Crimea even identified as Russian. Why would the other 60% want to join Russia if they don't see themself as one. Ok, read studies. I talk to ppl who actually live in Ukraine. Moreover I live in Belarus and frequently visit Ukraine, so I am somewhat aware of the situation. Who do you think I believe? I don't know, facts seem more important to me. link to the post If that is so, do come to Ukraine and ask ppl in the streets. I think that would get you as closest to the facts as possible than any study you may read. Yes, because who needs the scientific method to determine anything if we can just wing it.
I prefer believing my our eyes and years, and if you're so into science there is nothing stopping you from conducting an unbiased research.
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On March 18 2014 22:10 -Archangel- wrote:
If this showed anything, it showed that rules, regulations, laws, agreements and other such bullshits now and ever were only second to very simple 3 word sentence: Might makes right.
EDIT: This just shows that countries like NK, Iran and Izrael are doing it right when ignoring all those second rate things..
Yep. Mentioned long ago that Iran just wanted nukes because it is the only thing that keeps you safe in this day and age.
Sad that it is still this way. Human nature I guess.
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This all discussion here boils down to "I hate Russia vs I love Russia" with most ppl in this thread sticking to "these evil commies are coming for us" paranoia. I wish every EU citizen came to Ukraine or Belarus to live here for a year or so, for the sake of tuning in the "vibes", you know.
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I wish every EU citizen came to Ukraine or Belarus to live here for a year or so, for the sake of tuning in the "vibes", you know.
I doubt that anyone here would enjoy living in the last dictatorship in europe. Not talking about ukraine.
We kinda grew fond of rights n stuff.
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On March 18 2014 22:25 myminerals wrote:
This all discussion here boils down to "I hate Russia vs I love Russia" with most ppl in this thread sticking to "these evil commies are coming for us" paranoia. I wish every EU citizen came to Ukraine or Belarus to live here for a year or so, for the sake of tuning in the "vibes", you know.
Yes the world would be a much better place if we knew how terrible the post USSR world is and how much better we have it in our free and capitalist west. Would stop people from complaining about how bad we have it....
Your not exactly helping your point.
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On March 18 2014 22:30 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +I wish every EU citizen came to Ukraine or Belarus to live here for a year or so, for the sake of tuning in the "vibes", you know. I doubt that anyone here would enjoy living in the last dictatorship in europe. Not talking about ukraine. We kinda grew fond of rights n stuff.
and here i thought you meant hungary....
oh wait, thats EU and can't be a dictatorship by definition.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
putin just doesnt know when to quit jumping off cliffs i am impressed
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On March 18 2014 22:25 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 22:10 -Archangel- wrote:
If this showed anything, it showed that rules, regulations, laws, agreements and other such bullshits now and ever were only second to very simple 3 word sentence: Might makes right.
EDIT: This just shows that countries like NK, Iran and Izrael are doing it right when ignoring all those second rate things.. Yep. Mentioned long ago that Iran just wanted nukes because it is the only thing that keeps you safe in this day and age. Sad that it is still this way. Human nature I guess.
Still, how would nukes help Ukraine really? Would they nuke Crimea? Nuke a russian city? Russia has more nukes. It would just be a lose situation and not better than the current one.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 18 2014 23:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 22:25 Gorsameth wrote:On March 18 2014 22:10 -Archangel- wrote:
If this showed anything, it showed that rules, regulations, laws, agreements and other such bullshits now and ever were only second to very simple 3 word sentence: Might makes right.
EDIT: This just shows that countries like NK, Iran and Izrael are doing it right when ignoring all those second rate things.. Yep. Mentioned long ago that Iran just wanted nukes because it is the only thing that keeps you safe in this day and age. Sad that it is still this way. Human nature I guess. Still, how would nukes help Ukraine really? Would they nuke Crimea? Nuke a russian city? Russia has more nukes. It would just be a lose situation and not better than the current one.
Noone will touch country with nukes. Never ever.
Especially, considering fact that amount of nukes which was on Ukraine was 3rd in the whole world.
That's bonus of having them.
That's how human nature works.
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On March 18 2014 22:30 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 22:25 myminerals wrote:
This all discussion here boils down to "I hate Russia vs I love Russia" with most ppl in this thread sticking to "these evil commies are coming for us" paranoia. I wish every EU citizen came to Ukraine or Belarus to live here for a year or so, for the sake of tuning in the "vibes", you know. Yes the world would be a much better place if we knew how terrible the post USSR world is and how much better we have it in our free and capitalist west. Would stop people from complaining about how bad we have it.... Your not exactly helping your point.
I was not clear enough with my point. I meant that both Ukraine and Belarus are much closer to Russia in culture and language than any other country would ever be. And the only thing to somehow "feel" it is to live here.
What happened to Crimea perfectly applies to Belarus as well because ppl here don't speak Belarusian and speak Russian, neither do they know their history or associate themselves with Belarusian ethnic group or at least know what is this all about. We can hold a referendum today and ask Russia to annex our country as well, because I don't see a tiny difference between Belarus and Crimea.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
i hope the eu project receives a boost from this external enemy crisis. then again that would require some euro spines
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Transnistria wants to join Crimea in the new russian law:
source
Russia hasn't yet answered that request, but it would be very problematic for Ukraine to have even more surrounding russian territory.
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I am not very good at history. But isn't it Putin is using the same way as US occupying Texas/California or some other states from Mexico?
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On March 19 2014 00:04 niukasu1990 wrote:
I am not very good at history. But isn't it Putin is using the same way as US occupying Texas/California or some other states from Mexico?
No, Putin is using same way we humans have been doing it from the moment we gathered in tribes and started to value land over life...
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without land you have no life.
go live in/on the air or something.
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On March 19 2014 00:04 niukasu1990 wrote:
I am not very good at history. But isn't it Putin is using the same way as US occupying Texas/California or some other states from Mexico?
No because Putin didn't fake a questionable incident, followed it by declaring and conducting a bloody war, and occupying the Ukrainian capital before browbeating Ukraine into "selling" their land for a laughable sum.
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On March 18 2014 22:03 Fjodorov wrote:"Incidentally, the total population of the Crimean Peninsula today is 2.2 million people, of whom almost 1.5 million are Russians, 350,000 are Ukrainians who predominantly consider Russian their native language, and about 290,000-300,000 are Crimean Tatars, who, as the referendum has shown, also lean towards Russia." http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6889 This is Putins words. That bit about crimean tatars is just so out of touch with reality.
I do not think this is necessarily so. Most of the propaganda press highlighting the Tatar deportations of the Second World War, and its impact on present opinion is distorted in two ways. First, the soundbytes we have are largely taken from the leaders of the Tatar National Movement, who represent an older generation of opinion. Secondly, we have completely ignored one of the genuine Russian achievements in the past few generations: the pacification of Tatar-Russian relations within the Russian Federation itself. Kazan is today one of the few cities in the world where an almost even number of Muslims and Christians co-exist in relative tranquility, and it is the rhetorical throwbacks to the Second World War among Tatar Nationalists which seem out of touch with reality to me.
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