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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
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*** Speaks for itself: | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
or when you say 'real referendum' do you mean in a world where this overthrowing did not happen? | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 17 2014 20:59 nunez wrote: according to that study reported result seems likely, considering that it shows a heavy pro-russian sentiment and was conducted before yank's legitimate govt was ousted by violent demonstrations spearheaded by militant anti-russian fascists one of which now holds position in govt. if you'd take a similar survey now, it would not look pretty for ukraine. or when you say 'real referendum' do you mean in a world where this overthrowing did not happen? Once again, your claims baffle me. Explain how you conclude that `93% of 83% of the population want to join Russia' from this study. Furthermore, no. A real referendum is one which is considered free and fair, occurring within legal bounds. | ||
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Schmobutzen
Germany284 Posts
see. There you have it. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On March 17 2014 20:59 nunez wrote: according to that study reported result seems likely, considering that it shows a heavy pro-russian sentiment and was conducted before yank's legitimate govt was ousted by violent demonstrations spearheaded by militant anti-russian fascists one of which now holds position in govt. if you'd take a similar survey now, it would not look pretty for ukraine. or when you say 'real referendum' do you mean in a world where this overthrowing did not happen? No it doesn't. The poll shows 40% of crimeans identifying as russian, 15% as tartar, 15% as ukrainian and 24% as crimean. Just considering the people identifying as ukrainian/tartar combined with the reported turnout makes the outcome pretty impossible, as those two groups would be extremely unlikely to vote in favor. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
This development in Crimea is not going to make it easier with NK, Iran and possible others in future... | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
That looks like pretty legit picture about what was happening in Crimea yesterday. It's former special correspondent of Lenta.ru btw, he's on Ukraine for a month already or even more. If someone has problems with translating it, ask me later i will translate everything. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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On March 17 2014 21:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: http://www.colta.ru/articles/society/2480 That looks like pretty legit picture about what was happening in Crimea yesterday. It's former special correspondent of Lenta.ru btw, he's on Ukraine for a month already or even more. If someone has problems with translating it, ask me later i will translate everything. Damn that's long, but what I could understand fit what I've read from other sources or seen on pictures and videos. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On March 17 2014 20:31 Ghanburighan wrote: Speaks for itself: https://twitter.com/markomihkelson/status/445436365736771585 Yes, speaks for itself in that Europe and the US will never call it legal because it's not in their interests, most other countries don't care and/or don't want to piss off the EU/USA, and some countries that want to stick it to the US say it's legit. It says nothing more than everything that's already happened. The EU and USA don't like something and want everyone else to toe the line, and the countries that don't like toeing the line are sticking their middle fingers up. Big whoop, welcome to world politics. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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On March 17 2014 21:26 Lonyo wrote: Yes, speaks for itself in that Europe and the US will never call it legal because it's not in their interests, most other countries don't care and/or don't want to piss off the EU/USA, and some countries that want to stick it to the US say it's legit. It says nothing more than everything that's already happened. The EU and USA don't like something and want everyone else to toe the line, and the countries that don't like toeing the line are sticking their middle fingers up. Big whoop, welcome to world politics. It says a lot that it wasn't recognized by such friends of the EU/USA such as China, Iran, Kazakhstan, Jordan, Belarus, etc. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
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govie
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I tend to think that the euromaiden supporters wish for more prosperity, but to be frank, as a european i dont think trading one world power for another makes your situation any better. Dont forget that the West will likely profit more from the outcome in the Ukraine then the Ukrainiens themselves will, else EU+US would not even help. And the leaders of euromaiden also seem corrupted and have ties to the mob, so your basically trading one corrupt politician for another.... I think that overthrowing the government was couragious but also dangerous. I dont understand how the people will benefit from this in short/long term and the insecurity this provides for next winter. Yes, it gives hope for better days but then they must assume that the west is interested in there wellbeing, which i sincerely doubt. It will be interesting how this develops as its a tricky chessgame now. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 17 2014 21:32 Ghanburighan wrote: It says a lot that it wasn't recognized by such friends of the EU/USA such as China, Iran, Kazakhstan, Jordan, Belarus, etc. All it says is that they're not ready to take sides on this issue. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 17 2014 21:09 Schmobutzen wrote: No, Nunez, you look at it wrong. Do you prefer to suck on lavishly teats or on small ones, that belong to a relatively young and unstable mother? see. There you have it. I for one like milfs. On March 17 2014 21:10 Derez wrote: No it doesn't. The poll shows 40% of crimeans identifying as russian, 15% as tartar, 15% as ukrainian and 24% as crimean. Just considering the people identifying as ukrainian/tartar combined with the reported turnout makes the outcome pretty impossible, as those two groups would be extremely unlikely to vote in favor. Wow, since people have been constantly repeating here that there are about 80% russians that comes as a bit of a suprise. | ||
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ZerglingSoup
United States346 Posts
On March 17 2014 19:46 Fjodorov wrote: I didnt know that crimeas maritime zones and other parts of the black sea contains alot of valuable natural resources that would be worth fighting for. I havent seen this brought up before. Sevastopol is what they are mostly concerned with. With Russia, it has always been about the warm-water port. This goes back centuries. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 17 2014 22:26 SilentchiLL wrote: I for one like milfs. Wow, since people have been constantly repeating here that there are about 80% russians that comes as a bit of a suprise. Actually, the standard figure is 60% Russian. And of those 60% not everyone has to identify themselves as Russian, especially as `Crimean' is available. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/x8qQqx4.png) People seem to be missing this particular question in the survey. | ||
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