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Saumure
France404 Posts
On March 17 2014 21:32 Ghanburighan wrote: It says a lot that it wasn't recognized by such friends of the EU/USA such as China, Iran, Kazakhstan, Jordan, Belarus, etc. Considering they don't have anything to do with it.... No wonder | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On March 17 2014 21:10 Derez wrote: No it doesn't. The poll shows 40% of crimeans identifying as russian, 15% as tartar, 15% as ukrainian and 24% as crimean. Just considering the people identifying as ukrainian/tartar combined with the reported turnout makes the outcome pretty impossible, as those two groups would be extremely unlikely to vote in favor. Yes I pointed that out before ,too. His official answer to that question is that he's good at math. The vote is just ridiculous. That four out of five non ethnic Russians vote in favor of Putin seems highly unlikely to me to say the least. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 17 2014 22:37 Nyxisto wrote: Yes I pointed that out before ,too. His official answer to that questions is that he's good at math. The vote is just ridiculous. That four out of five non ethnic Russians vote in favor of Putin seems highly unlikely to me to say the least. Go and read article which i threw last page. You will probably realise what was happening there without reading any twitter stuff or some unknown guys whose twitters are getting thrown here whole thread. There is everything what you want to know about situation. From every POV. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Looking at the list, Dmitry Rogozin is probably the most important. But one needs to analyze that more thoroughly. Edit: This is more thorough: | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On March 17 2014 22:40 Ghanburighan wrote: https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/445553987069415424 https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/445554921853956096 Looking at the list, Dmitry Rogozin is probably the most important. But one needs to analyze that more thoroughly. Seems like a rather weak move. -_- | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 17 2014 22:40 Ghanburighan wrote: https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/445553987069415424 https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/445554921853956096 Looking at the list, Dmitry Rogozin is probably the most important. But one needs to analyze that more thoroughly. Fuck, can US/EU take Mizulina from us instead of sanctioning? XD Matvienko is rather big figure here, Surkov as well. And Rogozin is one of few politicians who're really respected in community. Other not so big. And "sanctioned for his status" statement is ridiculous. It's like revenge instead of real sanctions. Weak move tbh. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Wait until you see the EU list  Edit: | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
The last bit is significant, though. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
I can imagine it now... These people are barred from buying German chocolate directly from Germany, French wine directly from France, and Italian cars directly from Italy. They are highly encouraged, instead, to buy them from London. The list is as follows: Vladimir Putin Viktor Yanukovych | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On March 17 2014 21:35 Ghanburighan wrote: We have another `146%' And yet: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_16/40-of-Crimean-Tatars-take-part-in-referendum-Crimean-PM-2361/ By the closure of the polling stations in Sevastopol at 20:00 hours local time, the voters turnout at the polls was around 90 percent. Preliminary results of the voting in the city will be announced at around 22:30 East European Standard Time (20:30 GMT). Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_16/40-of-Crimean-Tatars-take-part-in-referendum-Crimean-PM-2361/ Seems odd they would state 90% turnout at closure of the polls then release figures showing more than 100%. Also they might be using difference figures, e.g. the referendum may have counted votes from Sevastopol and the surrounding metro area, rather than just the city, while the other figures may be from the city itself per the Ukrainian electoral roll that wasn't used by the Crimean's because it was blocked off. “The Ukrainian Election Commission blocked off electors database. But we used lists of 2012 and made up the database. The voting continues in a normal atmosphere,” he said. http://en.itar-tass.com/world/723785 (One would assume that "made up" isn't to be taken literally, since it's Russian -> English translation) | ||
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Banaora
Germany234 Posts
Monitor is an investigation broadcast that usually has prove for everything they report. WDR is part of ARD, Germany's official broadcasting service. There you will see that part of the Ukrainian gas fields are already given to Chevron, Exxon and Shell to develop. They report it is planned to make Ukraine independent of Russian gas from 2020 onwards with a technology called fracking. They report the U.S. plans on the long term to replace Russia as a provider of gas to Europe by shipping it in liquid form over the ocean. You can now continue to bash Russia. I'm sure those big companies only care for the Ukrainian people, their freedom and democracy. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
And i can't say that he's hiding something :D You can't have anything undeclared in Russia or anything in other countries if you're working in government. Navalny's fund have already thrown away bunch of guys who had something UNDECLARED and there wasn't any Rogozin stuff :D As well as other guys in this list (from Russia ofc). | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
(Reuters) - Russia's government acknowledged for the first time on Monday that the economy was in crisis, undermining earlier attempts by officials to suggest albeit weakening growth could weather sanctions over Ukraine. Moscow markets wait to see the full scale of western measures over the seizure of Ukraine's Crimea and support of its referendum to join Russia, after losing billions of dollars in recent weeks in state and corporate money. For weeks, Russian officials have said the confrontation between Moscow and the West over Ukraine that threatens economic sanctions and asset freezes would "weigh on the economy". Although not speaking directly about the impact from the conflict, Deputy Economy Minister Sergei Belyakov said on Monday the economy was in trouble. "The economic situation shows clear signs of a crisis," Belyakov told a local business conference. source (Reuters) - Ukraine's parliament, seeking to boost the country's military force in the face of Russia's takeover of the Crimea peninsula, endorsed a presidential decree on Monday to carry out a partial mobilization involving 40,000 reservists. Andriy Paruby, Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council, told parliament that 20,000 reservists would be deployed within the armed forces and the rest would be used within the newly-created National Guard. source | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Can we say that it's crisis? I just dunno, is it really high or no. By saying "high" i mean really livechanging stuff. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
On March 17 2014 23:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Our former economic minister predicted that GDP growth will be something like 1% in the end of the year instead of predicted 2,5%. Can we say that it's crisis? I just dunno, is it really high or no. By saying "high" i mean really livechanging stuff. "Domestic demand is set to halt on the uncertainty shock and tighter financial conditions, likely dipping the economy into a recession over second and third quarter of 2014," Vladimir Kolychev and Daria Isakova, economists are VTB Capital wrote in a note on Monday. "We are lowering our full-year growth outlook to 0.0 percent, and see downside risks if uncertainty remains elevated for a protracted period and/or severe sanctions are imposed." 0.0% is pretty dangerous.. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On March 17 2014 22:37 Nyxisto wrote: Yes I pointed that out before ,too. His official answer to that question is that he's good at math. The vote is just ridiculous. That four out of five non ethnic Russians vote in favor of Putin seems highly unlikely to me to say the least. you pointed out something which goes without saying. the specific number is irrelevant, crimeans being in favor of locking arms with russia in the current situation is not surprising. comical if they figured they had to doctor the polls anyways, but we'll have to wait and see. @aksfjh what do you think is the main reason 'given to russia' is so much lower in the other poll? | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On March 17 2014 09:07 YasonDinAlt wrote: Well hello everyone. I am from Russia, a kind, highly developed, mighty ancient civilization yap, people were right, they are from another world. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
lol, i'm sure dmitry yarosh has a whole host of highly recomended people ready to serve. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On March 17 2014 23:22 nunez wrote: you pointed out something which goes without saying. the specific number is irrelevant, crimeans being in favor of locking arms with russia in the current situation is not surprising. comical if they figured they had to doctor the polls anyways, but we'll have to wait and see. @aksfjh what do you think is the main reason 'given to russia' is so much lower in the other poll? The whole situation right now is knee jerk reactions (to the ousting of Yanukovych) and Russian propaganda/inciting. Pro-Ukrainian voices in Crimea are being actively silenced by the mob, or are being heavily persuaded by the armed forces and Russian nationalism in their region. If you're against the annexation, you don't want to be in Crimea (or let anybody know of your views). Overall, the huge difference is likely due to a mixed bag of Russian entanglement and regional outrage. Given a few weeks/months of "normal" activities and we'd likely see a jump in the numbers of a similar survey to join Russia, but not even above 50% most likely, since people wouldn't fear taking the stance to keep the "status quo." | ||
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
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