Процедура імпічменту * не менш як 226 народних депутатів ініціюють питання про усунення Президента України з поста; * парламент створює спеціальну тимчасову слідчу комісію, до якої входять спеціальний прокурор і спеціальні слідчі; * висновки і пропозиції тимчасової слідчої комісії розглядаються на засіданні Верховної Ради України; * за наявності підстав не менш як 300 народних депутатів приймають рішення про звинувачення Президента України; * Конституційний суд виносить висновок щодо додержання конституційної процедури розслідування і розгляду справи про імпічмент; * Верховний Суд України підтверджує наявність у діях обвинувачуваного ознак державної зради чи іншого злочину; * не менш як 338 парламентаріїв приймають рішення про усунення Президента України з поста; * виконання обов'язків Президента України покладається на Прем'єр-міністра України
Here is the actual text of the constitution, not a wikipedia page.
Стаття 111. Президент України може бути усунений з поста Верховною Радою України в порядку імпічменту у разі вчинення ним державної зради або іншого злочину.
{Офіційне тлумачення частини першої статті 111 див. в Рішенні Конституційного Суду № 19-рп/2003 від 10.12.2003}
Питання про усунення Президента України з поста в порядку імпічменту ініціюється більшістю від конституційного складу Верховної Ради України.
Для проведення розслідування Верховна Рада України створює спеціальну тимчасову слідчу комісію, до складу якої включаються спеціальний прокурор і спеціальні слідчі.
Висновки і пропозиції тимчасової слідчої комісії розглядаються на засіданні Верховної Ради України.
За наявності підстав Верховна Рада України не менш як двома третинами від її конституційного складу приймає рішення про звинувачення Президента України.
Рішення про усунення Президента України з поста в порядку імпічменту приймається Верховною Радою України не менш як трьома четвертими від її конституційного складу після перевірки справи Конституційним Судом України і отримання його висновку щодо додержання конституційної процедури розслідування і розгляду справи про імпічмент та отримання висновку Верховного Суду України про те, що діяння, в яких звинувачується Президент України, містять ознаки державної зради або іншого злочину.
I will just post google translate of this so that you won't say that I composed it: The decision to remove the President of Ukraine from office on impeachment adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine of not less than three-fourths of its constitutional composition after checking case the Constitutional Court of Ukraine and getting his opinion on compliance with the constitutional procedure of investigation and impeachment proceedings and obtaining the opinion of the Supreme Court of Ukraine that of which the accused the President of Ukraine, contain elements of state treason or other crime.
Only Verhovna Rada of Ukraine made decision without any court.
True, but Constitutional Court of Ukraine was completely in the pocket of Yanukovich. That's how he managed to revert constitution in 2010, even though it was illegal. So obtaining its agreement was not feasible. Time was precious, Yanukovich fled from Kiev and Verhovna Rada had to solve the crisis in the country, so they did what was necessary to restore order. It even would have been effective, if they didn't make some hasty decisions afterwards and regular people didn't do some stupid things as well.
Im bit worried about Estonia and Latvia. If Putin wants Ida-Viru I dont belive there is anybody to stop him. Just say you want to protect russians in estonia. EDIT: Or just say you fix wrongly made border. Like he said about war agaisnt Finland.
On March 02 2014 16:47 Ghanburighan wrote: First of all, this thread is filled with irrelevant shit.
Second, Ukraine just announced a general mobilization starting today.Source.
Edit:
The US calls it an occupation for the first time:
US statement (Kerry):
The United States condemns the Russian Federation's invasion and occupation of Ukrainian territory, and its violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity in full contravention of Russia’s obligations under the UN Charter, the Helsinki Final Act, its 1997 military basing agreement with Ukraine, and the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. This action is a threat to the peace and security of Ukraine, and the wider region.
I spoke with President Turchynov this morning to assure him he had the strong support of the United States and commend the new government for showing the utmost restraint in the face of the clear and present danger to the integrity of their state, and the assaults on their sovereignty. We also urge that the Government of Ukraine continue to make clear, as it has from throughout this crisis, its commitment to protect the rights of all Ukrainians and uphold its international obligations.
As President Obama has said, we call for Russia to withdraw its forces back to bases, refrain from interference elsewhere in Ukraine, and support international mediation to address any legitimate issues regarding the protection of minority rights or security.
From day one, we've made clear that we recognize and respect Russia’s ties to Ukraine and its concerns about treatment of ethnic Russians. But these concerns can and must be addressed in a way that does not violate Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, by directly engaging the Government of Ukraine.
Unless immediate and concrete steps are taken by Russia to deescalate tensions, the effect on U.S.-Russian relations and on Russia’s international standing will be profound. I convened a call this afternoon with my counterparts from around the world, to coordinate on next steps. We were unified in our assessment and will work closely together to support Ukraine and its people at this historic hour.
In the coming days, emergency consultations will commence in the UN Security Council, the North Atlantic Council, and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe in defense of the underlying principles critical to the maintenance of international peace and security. We continue to believe in the importance of an international presence from the UN or OSCE to gather facts, monitor for violations or abuses and help protect rights. As a leading member of both organizations, Russia can actively participate and make sure its interests are taken into account.
The people of Ukraine want nothing more than the right to define their own future – peacefully, politically and in stability. They must have the international community’s full support at this vital moment. The United States stands with them, as we have for 22 years, in seeing their rights restored.
The bolded part seems to communicate to Russia that the US accepts Russian interests in its near-abroad, something that a large number of US allies (Baltics, Poland, Georgia, etc) will be very worried about. Secondly, it gives some legitimacy to the ethnic minority argument.
Especially the Baltics, at least you guys were smart enough to get into NATO asap. Otherwise I am sure ethnic Russians oppressed by you fascism loving fascists would be demanding to join Russia, now that they have 'legal' ability to welcome them without anything messy like referendums or negotiations with their neighbors.
Under Russia's existing law, a neighbouring state would have to sign a treaty with Russia to allow part of its territory to become a new "subject" of the Russian Federation.
But Mikhail Yemelyanov, deputy leader of A Just Russia, said the law had been drafted for peaceful times, and did not go far enough for situations where a state was falling apart.
"In conditions where a neighbouring state is disintegrating I don't think the Russian Federation should be restricted in its ability to accept a territory whose people have expressed a clear will and desire to be in Russia," he said.
do you like honestly believe for example if Russia tried to take over someone like Lithuania again, cuz they need to protect their russian speakers ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^_^^^^^, NATO would lift a finger ? no way. It would be all this political talk and nothing more. "please dont cross our red lines pretty please"
If this happened to a NATO member there would 100 % be a war right now.
On March 02 2014 19:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Im bit worried about Estonia and Lithuania. If Putin wants Ida-Viru I dont belive there is anybody to stop him. Just say you want to protect russians in estonia. EDIT: Or just say you fix wrongly made border. Like he said about war agaisnt Finland.
At least in Finland there is not major russian population that Putin can "protect"
I wasn't worried a week ago. Now, additional guarantees will be requested, such as troops and plans, along the lines of the stationed troops when Turkey was attacked 'accidentally' by Syria.
On March 02 2014 19:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Im bit worried about Estonia and Lithuania. If Putin wants Ida-Viru I dont belive there is anybody to stop him. Just say you want to protect russians in estonia. EDIT: Or just say you fix wrongly made border. Like he said about war agaisnt Finland.
On March 02 2014 19:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Im bit worried about Estonia and Lithuania. If Putin wants Ida-Viru I dont belive there is anybody to stop him. Just say you want to protect russians in estonia. EDIT: Or just say you fix wrongly made border. Like he said about war agaisnt Finland.
Yep im pretty sure all 3 baltic countries are very worried right now, cuz this just shows how easy it is for russia to do what they want, NATO or not, no one would help them.
On March 02 2014 19:52 whiteLotus wrote: Yep im pretty sure all 3 baltic countries are very worried right now, cuz this just shows how easy it is for russia to do what they want, NATO or not, no one would help them.
lets be honest: the red line is poland. no one in the west will want to start ww3 over countries as small and irrelevant as the three baltic ones... and putin knows that very well. but i dont think he really is too keen on invading them. once again, they are small and irrelevant.....
On March 02 2014 19:52 whiteLotus wrote: Yep im pretty sure all 3 baltic countries are very worried right now, cuz this just shows how easy it is for russia to do what they want, NATO or not, no one would help them.
How is that even a comparison?
NATO has zero business in Ukraine. NATO has a LOT of business when it comes to protecting actual member states which is kind of the whole point.
Is it even possible to have a one sided army (that fight for Ukraine) in Ukraine? Isn't there lots of Russian in their army? Would be a mess when probably 1-3% is "spies" in their army, well I dno..
On March 02 2014 20:15 mjuuy wrote: Is it even possible to have a one sided army (that fight for Ukraine) in Ukraine? Isn't there lots of Russian in their army? Would be a mess when probably 1-3% is "spies" in their army, well I dno..
The 'official' professional army of Ukraine is not listening to Kiev. Hell their flagship in the navy told Kiev to fuck off and raised a Russian flag.
On March 02 2014 19:52 whiteLotus wrote: Yep im pretty sure all 3 baltic countries are very worried right now, cuz this just shows how easy it is for russia to do what they want, NATO or not, no one would help them.
How is that even a comparison?
NATO has zero business in Ukraine. NATO has a LOT of business when it comes to protecting actual member states which is kind of the whole point.
"NATO has no business in Ukraine, it protects Poland and the Baltic states, etc etc." - in theory yes. The same question always gets asked when it comes to collective defense... are we willing to sacrifice Chicago for Riga, New York for Talinn, Los Angeles for Vilnius? The short-term answer would be to let the Russians have their buffer zone back, with the understanding that no further expansion would be tolerated, in order to ensure peace.
If this sounds familiar, its because it's what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938, in an attempt to satiate Germany. In doing so, it fundamentally undermines the premise of collective defense, and puts a vast number of European countries on notice that America won't protect them. This would encourage arms buildups, decreased American influence, and could encourage Russia to try and expand its reach further westward, bit by bit.
EPT
