EPTOr rather, do not give any kind of reasoning to Russia. Putin is not that aggressive to try to annex Bulgaria without reason he can cover himself with.
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Or rather, do not give any kind of reasoning to Russia. Putin is not that aggressive to try to annex Bulgaria without reason he can cover himself with. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On March 02 2014 21:39 mdb wrote: I'm scared. 30 thousand russians are living in Bulgaria. What if they feel threatened? We are so close - on the other side Black sea. I'm not too worried about Bulgaria. We are part of NATO and the European Union. Russians can't do anything in terms of military. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On March 02 2014 21:41 zeo wrote: Just don't euromaiden and bring fascists to power and you'll be fine  Well our prime minister was on one and the same table with Yanukovich at the opening of the olympic games, our government is doing everything to make putin happy, no matter that we break EU regulations, every attempt of protest is shut down with thousands of police, so i think we are safe for now. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On March 02 2014 20:21 whiteLotus wrote: "NATO has no business in Ukraine, it protects Poland and the Baltic states, etc etc." - in theory yes. The same question always gets asked when it comes to collective defense... are we willing to sacrifice Chicago for Riga, New York for Talinn, Los Angeles for Vilnius? The short-term answer would be to let the Russians have their buffer zone back, with the understanding that no further expansion would be tolerated, in order to ensure peace. If this sounds familiar, its because it's what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938, in an attempt to satiate Germany. In doing so, it fundamentally undermines the premise of collective defense, and puts a vast number of European countries on notice that America won't protect them. This would encourage arms buildups, decreased American influence, and could encourage Russia to try and expand its reach further westward, bit by bit. ...did you just take the annexation of parts of Czechoslovakia before WW2 and use it as an example for why NATO would ignore an attack on member states...? The annexation of parts of Czechoslovakia was approved by basically anyone that mattered at that time. The invasion of Poland wasn't. Just how it's highly likely that something will change about the current Ukraine but that does in no shape or form imply that NATO would ignore an attack on member states. | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
On March 02 2014 20:12 zeo wrote: The horrors of Russian occupation of Crimea: http://andreyvadjra.livejournal.com/359981.html Refreshing to see this. I'm thoroughly fed up with anti Russian propaganda nowadays. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On March 02 2014 21:48 mdb wrote: Well our prime minister was on one and the same table with Yanukovich at the opening of the olympic games, our government is doing everything to make putin happy, no matter that we break EU regulations, every attempt of protest is shut down with thousands of police, so i think we are safe for now. Yeah, its becoming really hard to be a small neutral country in Europe, So many countries we have to suck up to. | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On March 02 2014 21:48 zdfgucker wrote: Refreshing to see this. I'm thoroughly fed up with anti Russian propaganda nowadays. How's it anti Russian propaganda? The news I've been reading have said that most of the people living in Crimea area have welcomed the military with open arms. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On March 02 2014 21:50 zeo wrote: Yeah, its becoming really hard to be a small neutral country in Europe, So many countries we have to suck up to. We were dependent on soviet union for 50 years and we are on the bottom. I think its time to depend on someone else. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On March 02 2014 21:48 zdfgucker wrote: Refreshing to see this. I'm thoroughly fed up with anti Russian propaganda nowadays. Well, if you don't like to read how much against westerners are towards Russia, I can assure you there are a lot of people from ex-communist countries that also hate Russia. Edit: When I say Russia, I mean its politics not civil Russian people. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On March 02 2014 21:53 mdb wrote: We were dependent on soviet union for 50 years and we are on the bottom. I think its time to depend on someone else. I think you misunderstood me, lets just say I agree with you | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On March 02 2014 21:53 iNsaNe- wrote: How's it anti Russian propaganda? The news I've been reading have said that most of the people living in Crimea area have welcomed the military with open arms. Yeah. For example BBC, CNN and finnish media are saying that. | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
On March 02 2014 21:55 darkness wrote: Well, if you don't like to read how much against westerners are towards Russia, I can assure you there are a lot of people from ex-communist countries that also hate Russia. Edit: When I say Russia, I mean its politics not civil Russian people.It's not "westerners". It's only the US doing it. The world police nobody wants. If they say "fuck the EU" and this isn't a NATO case, mind your own business. Simple as. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
If something were to happen where Putin wants to connect it to the rest of Russia, they would have to take on Lietuva and either Belarus or Latvija. So influence-wise it seems difficult to create such a bridge. What I am trying to say is that Russia has to cooperate with EU to some extand to make Kaliningrad work. Going back to cold war influence-spheres is not going to work for Russia in that context. | ||
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
On March 02 2014 21:53 iNsaNe- wrote: How's it anti Russian propaganda? The news I've been reading have said that most of the people living in Crimea area have welcomed the military with open arms. exactly, in Denmark at least the news says that the russian occupation is peacful. Danish media is very objective when it comes to Ukrain | ||
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Twoflowers
Germany241 Posts
On March 02 2014 22:05 radiatoren wrote: Btw. Can a Russian clarify, Kaliningrad is a russian enclave with no actual borders to Russia. It is receiving advantages and funding from both Moscow and EU to some degree. But how does the people there see themself in terms of independence, EU and Russia? If something were to happen where Putin wants to connect it to the rest of Russia, they would have to take on Lietuva and either Belarus or Latvija. So influence-wise it seems difficult to create such a bridge. What I am trying to say is that Russia has to cooperate with EU to some extand to make Kaliningrad work. Going back to cold war influence-spheres is not going to work for Russia in that context. Since Russia has access to the baltic sea I don't think that Putin is all that troubled about it. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
On March 02 2014 22:11 Ramong wrote: exactly, in Denmark at least the news says that the russian occupation is peacful. Danish media is very objective when it comes to Ukrain Same on spanish media. I wonder what his media is telling him tho. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On March 02 2014 22:15 Ghanburighan wrote: I'd like to remind you that you're responding to Zeo, the guy who thinks everyone here is sucking Hitler's cock... Don't waste your time. And don't clutter the thread with counterarguments that he won't even read. Please quote where I said everyone on Team Liquid was sucking Hitlers cock. Maybe you should not have went back on your word that you said that you weren't going to be posting here anymore, just to say a blatant lie about me. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On March 02 2014 22:19 Godwrath wrote: Same on spanish media. I wonder what his media is telling him tho. His statement was about anti-Russian propaganda in general. Of course they usual suspects jump at the chance to create a strawman argument. You fell into their trap Godwrath, be more vigilante | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 02 2014 22:23 zeo wrote: He statement was about anti-Russian propaganda in general. Of course they usual suspects jump at the chance to create a strawman argument. Rich coming from you, sorry. Maybe all parties should just stop pointing fingers, it's pretty safe to say that everyone here went retard at some point in the thread. | ||
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