The Russian point of view can be seen at http://lifenews.ru/ what seems to be one of the prime distribution points of "news" approved by the Russian goverment. Let me translate some of the relevant headlines for you:
"20k demonstrators in Moscow went on the streets to show support for the Ukrainian people - to help them in their struggle fighting provocateurs who took over in Kiev." [update: 27k now] (and another similar headline about St. Petersburg - without any numbers.)
"Crimea - as opposed to Kiev - is currently being led by constitiutional law."
"General mobilization in Kiev does not attract young people."
"The man who raised the russian flag over an administration building (Kharkiv, the guy who posted it on the russian social network VK) says he left Ukraine because of threats to him."
"Russian biker gang arrived in Sevastopol to support the people of Crimea." (big LOL on this one)
Meanwhile non Russian media reports about demonstrations in Moscow in support of Ukrainian sovereignty and against the Russian invasion. Those demonstrations are being shut down by the police with over 200 demonstrants arrested. Sources: + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2014 22:40 craaaaack wrote: US, Canada and France pulled out of upcoming G8 meeting. That's at least something I guess.
Today the most important tv channel in Russia (1. channel - "Pervyj Kanal") reported about "more than 140k Ukrainians fleeing their country" and entering Russia at its western boarder. The clip they've been using was identified as being filmed at the western boarder of Ukraine, the cars and people shown are actually going to Poland.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of this :3. But then again, let's be clear, CNN used to do the same some time ago, so everyone's dirty here :D
Yes when did CNN show people going from Country A to Country B but said they were actually going to Country C or anything like that in order to provide propaganda fodder for the US or any other government?
August 2008, IIRC. I just happen to live in North Osetia
When in August 2008 did CNN report that people from Country going to Country B were actually going to Country C?
Were you a Russian citizen before 2008, or are you one of the guys Russia gave passports to so it could then say there were Russian citizens it needed to "protect"?
Pretty funny how two times in a row now when Russia wanted to bully and beat up a country it thinks it should still rule just because, it started minting new Russian citizens in those countries by the hundreds and thousands handing out passports like candy so it had a pretext to do what it wanted to do all along for reasons that had nothing to do with "protecting Russians." If only the US had smuggled fifty thousand US passports into Iraq and gave them out to whoever wanted one and then said "We gotta protect our citizens!" I guess it would have been okay then right?
On March 02 2014 22:40 craaaaack wrote: US, Canada and France pulled out of upcoming G8 meeting. That's at least something I guess.
Today the most important tv channel in Russia (1. channel - "Pervyj Kanal") reported about "more than 140k Ukrainians fleeing their country" and entering Russia at its western boarder. The clip they've been using was identified as being filmed at the western boarder of Ukraine, the cars and people shown are actually going to Poland.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of this :3. But then again, let's be clear, CNN used to do the same some time ago, so everyone's dirty here :D
Yes when did CNN show people going from Country A to Country B but said they were actually going to Country C or anything like that in order to provide propaganda fodder for the US or any other government?
August 2008, IIRC. I just happen to live in North Osetia
When in August 2008 did CNN report that people from Country going to Country B were actually going to Country C?
Were you a Russian citizen before 2008, or are you one of the guys Russia gave passports to so it could then say there were Russian citizens it needed to "protect"?
Pretty funny how two times in a row now when Russia wanted to bully and beat up a country it thinks it should still rule just because, it started minting new Russian citizens in those countries by the hundreds and thousands handing out passports like candy so it had a pretext to do what it wanted to do all along for reasons that had nothing to do with "protecting Russians." If only the US had smuggled fifty thousand US passports into Iraq and gave them out to whoever wanted one and then said "We gotta protect our citizens!" I guess it would have been okay then right?
Didn't they report that tanks from Country R were going to Country G while showing tanks of Country G going to subcountry SO? And let's be honest, mass media's main interest is in providing the "truth" that brings them popularity or just sets up the population to support whatever will happen next. As for providing truth.... dunno where you can really find it.
On March 02 2014 23:44 lolfail9001 wrote: And let's be honest, mass media's main interest is in providing the "truth" that brings them popularity or just sets up the population to support whatever will happen next. As for providing truth.... dunno where you can really find it.
Maybe in Russia, and to some extent USA with Fox.. But the news in western EU is generally non biased and very objective. That is one of the reasons people want to be in the EU...
We haven't got our leaders controlling the media, except for Italy perhaps
On March 02 2014 22:40 craaaaack wrote: US, Canada and France pulled out of upcoming G8 meeting. That's at least something I guess.
Today the most important tv channel in Russia (1. channel - "Pervyj Kanal") reported about "more than 140k Ukrainians fleeing their country" and entering Russia at its western boarder. The clip they've been using was identified as being filmed at the western boarder of Ukraine, the cars and people shown are actually going to Poland.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of this :3. But then again, let's be clear, CNN used to do the same some time ago, so everyone's dirty here :D
Yes when did CNN show people going from Country A to Country B but said they were actually going to Country C or anything like that in order to provide propaganda fodder for the US or any other government?
August 2008, IIRC. I just happen to live in North Osetia
When in August 2008 did CNN report that people from Country going to Country B were actually going to Country C?
Were you a Russian citizen before 2008, or are you one of the guys Russia gave passports to so it could then say there were Russian citizens it needed to "protect"?
Pretty funny how two times in a row now when Russia wanted to bully and beat up a country it thinks it should still rule just because, it started minting new Russian citizens in those countries by the hundreds and thousands handing out passports like candy so it had a pretext to do what it wanted to do all along for reasons that had nothing to do with "protecting Russians." If only the US had smuggled fifty thousand US passports into Iraq and gave them out to whoever wanted one and then said "We gotta protect our citizens!" I guess it would have been okay then right?
On March 02 2014 22:40 craaaaack wrote: US, Canada and France pulled out of upcoming G8 meeting. That's at least something I guess.
Today the most important tv channel in Russia (1. channel - "Pervyj Kanal") reported about "more than 140k Ukrainians fleeing their country" and entering Russia at its western boarder. The clip they've been using was identified as being filmed at the western boarder of Ukraine, the cars and people shown are actually going to Poland.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of this :3. But then again, let's be clear, CNN used to do the same some time ago, so everyone's dirty here :D
Yes when did CNN show people going from Country A to Country B but said they were actually going to Country C or anything like that in order to provide propaganda fodder for the US or any other government?
August 2008, IIRC. I just happen to live in North Osetia
When in August 2008 did CNN report that people from Country going to Country B were actually going to Country C?
Were you a Russian citizen before 2008, or are you one of the guys Russia gave passports to so it could then say there were Russian citizens it needed to "protect"?
Pretty funny how two times in a row now when Russia wanted to bully and beat up a country it thinks it should still rule just because, it started minting new Russian citizens in those countries by the hundreds and thousands handing out passports like candy so it had a pretext to do what it wanted to do all along for reasons that had nothing to do with "protecting Russians." If only the US had smuggled fifty thousand US passports into Iraq and gave them out to whoever wanted one and then said "We gotta protect our citizens!" I guess it would have been okay then right?
Russia giving passports to ex-Soviet Union citizens is completely different for than US giving passports people in iraq
Yes, in Imaginationland. Russia never saw the urgent need to give these people passports until Russia needed a pretext to beat up and carve off parts of the countries they were living in. Then the duma kicks into gear right quick and the administrative machinery to distribute these passports and other documents works amazingly well and efficiently for allegedly being a reactive measure and there's tons of new Russian citizens within a few weeks.
On March 02 2014 22:40 craaaaack wrote: US, Canada and France pulled out of upcoming G8 meeting. That's at least something I guess.
Today the most important tv channel in Russia (1. channel - "Pervyj Kanal") reported about "more than 140k Ukrainians fleeing their country" and entering Russia at its western boarder. The clip they've been using was identified as being filmed at the western boarder of Ukraine, the cars and people shown are actually going to Poland.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of this :3. But then again, let's be clear, CNN used to do the same some time ago, so everyone's dirty here :D
Yes when did CNN show people going from Country A to Country B but said they were actually going to Country C or anything like that in order to provide propaganda fodder for the US or any other government?
August 2008, IIRC. I just happen to live in North Osetia
When in August 2008 did CNN report that people from Country going to Country B were actually going to Country C?
Were you a Russian citizen before 2008, or are you one of the guys Russia gave passports to so it could then say there were Russian citizens it needed to "protect"?
Pretty funny how two times in a row now when Russia wanted to bully and beat up a country it thinks it should still rule just because, it started minting new Russian citizens in those countries by the hundreds and thousands handing out passports like candy so it had a pretext to do what it wanted to do all along for reasons that had nothing to do with "protecting Russians." If only the US had smuggled fifty thousand US passports into Iraq and gave them out to whoever wanted one and then said "We gotta protect our citizens!" I guess it would have been okay then right?
Russia giving passports to ex-Soviet Union citizens is completely different for than US giving passports people in iraq
Word. Can't remember Iraq being part of the US anytime. I've read this like 20 times in this thread, so at those who brought these examples: stop comparing the US/Iraq situation to the Ukraine/Russia one. They have a completely different history and other reasons. Ukraine isn't a target for exploitation like Iraq was. Sure, Russia may profit from carrying their plans through, but it's not like the Ukraine is in Russias interest as much as people think. Ofc, now it is, as the US etc. are now also taking a personal hand in this issue, or at least planning to do so in near future.
Secretary of State John Kerry on Meet the Press threatened Russia with being kicked out of the G8.
It looks like the West is trying to call what it thinks is Putin's bluff as best it can without threatening war, the West is talking about and most likely making preparations to toss Russia out of the international decision-making process wherever it can. If Putin wants to use his army to get what he wants, let that be the one of the few ways he can get what he wants. I like it.
Word. Can't remember Iraq being part of the US anytime. I've read this like 20 times in this thread, so at those who brought these examples: stop comparing the US/Iraq situation to the Ukraine/Russia one. They have a completely different history and other reasons. Ukraine isn't a target for exploitation like Iraq was. Sure, Russia may profit from carrying their plans through, but it's not like the Ukraine is in Russias interest as much as people think. Ofc, now it is, as the US etc. are now also taking a personal hand in this issue, or at least planning to do so in near future.
I mean the rest of it is nonsense but the bold is just super-duper nonsense. Russia staging a creeping military invasion of the Crimea is kind of ummm exploiting the Ukraine. The histories are different, the US hurt Iraq way less for a much shorter period of time than what Russia did to the Ukraine last century. What Russia is doing maybe not being as much in Russia's interest as Russia thinks it is is kind of irrelevant since the Russians do think that it is worth it and are invading the Ukraine because of that. Abstract time ended when Russia Red Dawned Crimea.
Russia ruled those countries by and through continuous application of the sword, maybe if the Tsars were still ruling Russia you'd have a point but not with an ex-KGB officer ruling Moscow.
The US has a personal hand in the issue because it's obviously in US self-interest to restrain Russian adventurism and the beliefs that cause it and we are obligated to by treaty. We gave our word that if Ukraine gave up its stockpile of Soviet nukes we would guarantee their territorial integrity. It was kind of a big deal to world safety that they did that for us so maybe the least we can do is get a little tough on the Russians.
In Perevalnoye it seems things are becoming tense. At a military base, masked russian soldiers have given the ukrainian soldiers an ulltimatum of laying down their weapons or be forced to do so.
The story has been independently confirmed by separate journalists at the scene.
On March 02 2014 22:40 craaaaack wrote: US, Canada and France pulled out of upcoming G8 meeting. That's at least something I guess.
Today the most important tv channel in Russia (1. channel - "Pervyj Kanal") reported about "more than 140k Ukrainians fleeing their country" and entering Russia at its western boarder. The clip they've been using was identified as being filmed at the western boarder of Ukraine, the cars and people shown are actually going to Poland.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of this :3. But then again, let's be clear, CNN used to do the same some time ago, so everyone's dirty here :D
Yes when did CNN show people going from Country A to Country B but said they were actually going to Country C or anything like that in order to provide propaganda fodder for the US or any other government?
August 2008, IIRC. I just happen to live in North Osetia
When in August 2008 did CNN report that people from Country going to Country B were actually going to Country C?
Were you a Russian citizen before 2008, or are you one of the guys Russia gave passports to so it could then say there were Russian citizens it needed to "protect"?
Pretty funny how two times in a row now when Russia wanted to bully and beat up a country it thinks it should still rule just because, it started minting new Russian citizens in those countries by the hundreds and thousands handing out passports like candy so it had a pretext to do what it wanted to do all along for reasons that had nothing to do with "protecting Russians." If only the US had smuggled fifty thousand US passports into Iraq and gave them out to whoever wanted one and then said "We gotta protect our citizens!" I guess it would have been okay then right?
As Mark Ames discovered, Georgian leaders were making collect calls to just about every influential person on Wall Street, convincing them that Georgia was the victim of Russian aggression even as Georgian rockets were leveling Tskhinvali. ...
The pro-Georgian CNN effect was so strong, in fact, that CNN used footage of Tskhinvali for a report on the destruction in the Georgian town of Gori.
As being reported by both russian and non russian sources: russian forces are moving towards the eastern boarders of Ukraine. These forces were transported to western Russia during what Putin called previously "unrelated military exercises". (During exactly those which alarmed the international community before shit got real. Remember Kreml saying numerious times how it was unrelated to the situation in Kiev? THEY'VE BEEN FUCKING SHIPPING THEIR ARMY TOWARDS UKRAINE DURING THAT TIME.)
Short interview of some veteran military captain (who doesn't seem to be related to this stuff at all) by lifenews.ru: "The movement of the Russian forces onto Ukrainian territory is a necessary move by our government. Sadly the situation is in danger of turning into a blood bath, especially in Crimea, where the people in unity did not approve the change in Kiev. I myself as a military man understand this decision, as the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts. "
On March 02 2014 08:24 PaleMan wrote: you have no proofs about snipers but you are so sure it was police sniper any evidence? that's right - none but somehow you are so sure it was ukrainian police sniper
Sniper in police uniform, shooting protesters opposing their employer after being ordered so = EU sniper.
That totally makes sense. Did your media confirm that as well?
The issue here is that none of us can say which side was firing those shots. On one hand you have a special unit on edge with orders we don't know about on the other side you have a protesting mob for which the best thing to happen is getting shot at to have the world on their side when it comes to an escalation. We simply don't know.
Imagine "Ukrainians" opening fire on Russian soldiers sitting in their own military base right now. Technically it would be the best thing possible for Russia but it would also be reasonable to assume someone on the Ukrainian side actually just did something incredibly stupid.
In situations like these it's almost impossible to know which side is actually doing what since we're dealing with extremists on both sides.
1) Those who know local geography can tell from the videos from where the shots were fired, they were fired from the territory held for weeks by governmental forces. 2) And when mass killings started pro-Yanukovich MPs started calling him up and begging to stop it, he refused to do anything. One of those was the representative of Yanukovich in the Parliament. He said that in an interview to 1+1 channel and begged for forgiveness. When he was talking about that he started crying (it was live).
So when MPs saw what was going on they held a session and voted governmental forces the hell out of Kyiv and suddenly Yanukovich was very willing to negotiate. 3) And there are also numerous reports from where the shots were fired from those who survived. Do you really think they would lie to protect the people who tried to kill them and who killed their friends days before?
But hey, we can always claim it doesnt prove anything on an internet forum.
On March 02 2014 22:40 craaaaack wrote: US, Canada and France pulled out of upcoming G8 meeting. That's at least something I guess.
Today the most important tv channel in Russia (1. channel - "Pervyj Kanal") reported about "more than 140k Ukrainians fleeing their country" and entering Russia at its western boarder. The clip they've been using was identified as being filmed at the western boarder of Ukraine, the cars and people shown are actually going to Poland.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of this :3. But then again, let's be clear, CNN used to do the same some time ago, so everyone's dirty here :D
Yes when did CNN show people going from Country A to Country B but said they were actually going to Country C or anything like that in order to provide propaganda fodder for the US or any other government?
August 2008, IIRC. I just happen to live in North Osetia
When in August 2008 did CNN report that people from Country going to Country B were actually going to Country C?
Were you a Russian citizen before 2008, or are you one of the guys Russia gave passports to so it could then say there were Russian citizens it needed to "protect"?
Pretty funny how two times in a row now when Russia wanted to bully and beat up a country it thinks it should still rule just because, it started minting new Russian citizens in those countries by the hundreds and thousands handing out passports like candy so it had a pretext to do what it wanted to do all along for reasons that had nothing to do with "protecting Russians." If only the US had smuggled fifty thousand US passports into Iraq and gave them out to whoever wanted one and then said "We gotta protect our citizens!" I guess it would have been okay then right?
As Mark Ames discovered, Georgian leaders were making collect calls to just about every influential person on Wall Street, convincing them that Georgia was the victim of Russian aggression even as Georgian rockets were leveling Tskhinvali. ...
The pro-Georgian CNN effect was so strong, in fact, that CNN used footage of Tskhinvali for a report on the destruction in the Georgian town of Gori.
I looked it up and they used wrong footage when reporting about a Russian bombardment that actually happened. Here is an article about accusations of media bias then:
So CNN made a mistake or was careless, they didn't report something had happened that had not happened. Of course when you look it up you find Russian media and Marxist or generally anti-Western writers saying the whole thing was a fabrication there was no bombardment of Gori or the casualties were exaggerated etc.
On March 02 2014 22:40 craaaaack wrote: US, Canada and France pulled out of upcoming G8 meeting. That's at least something I guess.
Today the most important tv channel in Russia (1. channel - "Pervyj Kanal") reported about "more than 140k Ukrainians fleeing their country" and entering Russia at its western boarder. The clip they've been using was identified as being filmed at the western boarder of Ukraine, the cars and people shown are actually going to Poland.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of this :3. But then again, let's be clear, CNN used to do the same some time ago, so everyone's dirty here :D
Yes when did CNN show people going from Country A to Country B but said they were actually going to Country C or anything like that in order to provide propaganda fodder for the US or any other government?
August 2008, IIRC. I just happen to live in North Osetia
When in August 2008 did CNN report that people from Country going to Country B were actually going to Country C?
Were you a Russian citizen before 2008, or are you one of the guys Russia gave passports to so it could then say there were Russian citizens it needed to "protect"?
Pretty funny how two times in a row now when Russia wanted to bully and beat up a country it thinks it should still rule just because, it started minting new Russian citizens in those countries by the hundreds and thousands handing out passports like candy so it had a pretext to do what it wanted to do all along for reasons that had nothing to do with "protecting Russians." If only the US had smuggled fifty thousand US passports into Iraq and gave them out to whoever wanted one and then said "We gotta protect our citizens!" I guess it would have been okay then right?
As Mark Ames discovered, Georgian leaders were making collect calls to just about every influential person on Wall Street, convincing them that Georgia was the victim of Russian aggression even as Georgian rockets were leveling Tskhinvali. ...
The pro-Georgian CNN effect was so strong, in fact, that CNN used footage of Tskhinvali for a report on the destruction in the Georgian town of Gori.
I looked it up and they used wrong footage when reporting about a Russian bombardment that actually happened. Here is an article about accusations of media bias then:
So CNN made a mistake or was careless, they didn't report something had happened that had not happened. Of course when you look it up you find Russian media and Marxist or generally anti-Western writers saying the whole thing was a fabrication there was no bombardment of Gori or the casualties were exaggerated etc.
My point was that: no media has a reason to tell the truth. So the only blame you can legitimately put is on people who believe Russian media. Sadly, there are plenty of those.
On March 02 2014 20:13 zezamer wrote: NATO will collapse if they fail to protect a member
NATO has no obligations to Ukraine
But USA and GB guarantee territorial integrity of Ukraine, if they dont respond to this invasion it could lead to much bigger problems
They guarantee it as much as France and Great Britain guaranteed sovereignty of Poland before the Second World War.
Im from slovakia so i know how that ended Maybe it would not end with second world war if GB and France would not ignore germany invasion.
In 30's Poland actually offered France and GB to preemptively strike Germany before the country would be ready for a war, several times. After the Treaty of Versailles Polish army was much stronger than the German one, even though our state was just reestablished. Combined with forces of France and Great Britain this would've been a quick affair. They, however, declined.
As for the war itself, I've read that French and British forces combined outnumbered German defence forces on their western border roughly 5:1 and German encampments were not even finished.
Well the British had virtually no forces in Europe at that time (only had 600,000 men there by May 1940 in comparison to the over 3 million Germany invaded France with) and the French army was large enough to do some serious damage to Germany but, as the Battle of France showed, it was so badly organised that it couldn't put up an effective defence let alone stage an invasion.
The reason Britain and France declined to attack Germany in the 30s is because they were trying to avoid war at all costs, they didn't want to be the aggressors and they were naive enough to think Hitler wasn't as much of a mad man as he was.
I don't see the connection between the numbers Germany invaded France with and the situation during Fall Weiss. Germany had virtually no defences on the western border and was not prepared to wage war on two fronts.
The problem is, GB and France from the very beginning wanted to have USSR as their ally against Germany, and not Poland. They never intended to help us. Our stupid minister of foreign affairs, Beck, was fooled by Chamberlain's schemes. On top of that, Poland was constantly being lied to by its "allies" after the invasion started, as regards the military efforts of GB and France.
On March 02 2014 22:43 zeo wrote: LOL Ghanburighan, nowhere in that post did I say everyone on Team Liquid was sucking Hitlers cock. For those without reading deficiencies it clearly says hard nationalists who of course see nazi collaborators as heroes.
Please stop, its getting sad.
Nazi collaborators are long dead or old and sickly.
Yes, the right-wing Ukrainians might be crazy nationalists, I heard some of those live in Serbia, too. But this is not the time to brush up the old Soviet rhetoric, we live in the 21st century.
The Chinese might be correct in that some westerners still have a cold war mentality, but it seems that's actually a quite modern view compared to others ...
You are being willingly blind. Support for Svoboda in the last elections.
This is the equivalent of neonazi party getting 30% of votes in Bavaria, Germany - in 2012... Those three provinces is where the genocide of Volhynia took place (probably the most brutal genocide in modern history of Europe), and people who sympathize with Svoboda consider murderers as their national heroes.
On March 03 2014 00:15 craaaaack wrote: As being reported by both russian and non russian sources: russian forces are moving towards the eastern boarders of Ukraine. These forces were transported to western Russia during what Putin called previously "unrelated military exercises". (During exactly those which alarmed the international community before shit got real. Remember Kreml saying numerious times how it was unrelated to the situation in Kiev? THEY'VE BEEN FUCKING SHIPPING THEIR ARMY TOWARDS UKRAINE DURING THAT TIME.)
Short interview of some veteran military captain (who doesn't seem to be related to this stuff at all) by lifenews.ru: "The movement of the Russian forces onto Ukrainian territory is a necessary move by our government. Sadly the situation is in danger of turning into a blood bath, especially in Crimea, where the people in unity did not approve the change in Kiev. I myself as a military man understand this decision, as the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts. "
That's bullshit. The day before russians got in, the protests before the Crimean Parliament had just a few thousands pro-Russian activists versus around 10000 Crimean Tatars + "Ukrainian" activists.
On March 02 2014 22:40 craaaaack wrote: US, Canada and France pulled out of upcoming G8 meeting. That's at least something I guess.
Today the most important tv channel in Russia (1. channel - "Pervyj Kanal") reported about "more than 140k Ukrainians fleeing their country" and entering Russia at its western boarder. The clip they've been using was identified as being filmed at the western boarder of Ukraine, the cars and people shown are actually going to Poland.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of this :3. But then again, let's be clear, CNN used to do the same some time ago, so everyone's dirty here :D
Yes when did CNN show people going from Country A to Country B but said they were actually going to Country C or anything like that in order to provide propaganda fodder for the US or any other government?
August 2008, IIRC. I just happen to live in North Osetia
When in August 2008 did CNN report that people from Country going to Country B were actually going to Country C?
Were you a Russian citizen before 2008, or are you one of the guys Russia gave passports to so it could then say there were Russian citizens it needed to "protect"?
Pretty funny how two times in a row now when Russia wanted to bully and beat up a country it thinks it should still rule just because, it started minting new Russian citizens in those countries by the hundreds and thousands handing out passports like candy so it had a pretext to do what it wanted to do all along for reasons that had nothing to do with "protecting Russians." If only the US had smuggled fifty thousand US passports into Iraq and gave them out to whoever wanted one and then said "We gotta protect our citizens!" I guess it would have been okay then right?
As Mark Ames discovered, Georgian leaders were making collect calls to just about every influential person on Wall Street, convincing them that Georgia was the victim of Russian aggression even as Georgian rockets were leveling Tskhinvali. ...
The pro-Georgian CNN effect was so strong, in fact, that CNN used footage of Tskhinvali for a report on the destruction in the Georgian town of Gori.
I looked it up and they used wrong footage when reporting about a Russian bombardment that actually happened. Here is an article about accusations of media bias then:
So CNN made a mistake or was careless, they didn't report something had happened that had not happened. Of course when you look it up you find Russian media and Marxist or generally anti-Western writers saying the whole thing was a fabrication there was no bombardment of Gori or the casualties were exaggerated etc.
My point was that: no media has a reason to tell the truth. So the only blame you can legitimately put is on people who believe Russian media. Sadly, there are plenty of those.
Please stop arguing about the abstract notion of media reliability. Lolfail9001's point isn't unreasonable, in fact, I'm very sympathetic towards it. The best we can do is to try to siphon as much as information from different sources and filter out the fabrications and piece together a sound picture of what's happening. I mean, feel free to discuss each snippet of information posted here in detail, but don't make general statements such as "western media is biased so this X isn't true" or "all media lies, therefore this info should be discounted". That doesn't lead anywhere. If you can demonstrate that it's misinformation (like the pictures coming from Poland rather than Ukraine), that's excellent, though.
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