Ok this whole thing has been bugging me. I am(well just graduated so I suppose was) a member of Purdue Starcraft Club's team. I was Vice President of the club last semester and the team's official caster. When I left, I was also one of the club's oldest members. Here is proof of me casting some of the team's Collegiate Starleague games(ignore the fact that I sucked at casting as it was literally the start of my casting career). Proof of my identity(Viewer discression, vods are from 2011 and I SUCKED at casting. Please do not judge me by these if you see me casting in the future >>) + Show Spoiler +
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~pscc/ Announcement post for the Fall 2012 callout is by me, proving I was VP of the club.
Ok so now that I've established my identity, let's talk about what I will confirm about Nano. I will note that there are some things I won't talk about because I am not going to spill the beans on the entirety of his life on the internet.
1) Nanocloud is not some identity theft scheme. He is who he says he is and he did go to Purdue for the degrees mentioned. He did in fact have a hand in a lot of different organizations at Purdue University.
2) He was a member(not captain) of Purdue's Starcraft Club. He did indeed play in a few CSL games for our team. If CSL's website wasn't constantly being redesigned I would link to his profile on it. The Liquidpedia article does not include him because we basically asked players to add their names themselves and Nanocloud was on sMi or .SCA when the page was created.
3) Prior to the big post on the sMi incident, Purdue's Starcraft Club facebook page was messaged by some members of Team .SCA asking about Nanocloud. Unless another member of the club spoke differently in a completely seperate private message, there is no record I am aware of indicating that we indicated Nanocloud being a gold level player. I made this response based on watching him play during in person club meetings and the fact that he had a masters level account. I do not know where the allegations came from that we claimed he was a gold level player in the sMi thread. I said Masters because the variations in skill between Masters and GM are lost to me. + Show Spoiler +
4) I have not been keeping tabs on nanocloud and his endeavors since .SCA and sMi. I cannot speak to the legitimacy or illegitimacy of Core Gaming. Nanocloud is a friend of mine and I would like to believe that he wouldn't do things such as many allegations have been thrown, but it's not my place to confirm or deny it. I stand by my
5) Purdue Starcraft Club is not involved with any of the allegations made. I know the Starcraft community too well and often times conclusions are jumped to far too fast. Regardless of your belief of what is true or false about Nanocloud, do not bring or associate those allegations with Purdue Starcraft Club. It is a club full of people who love Starcraft and e-sports. We're a club that don't have club dues because we want to encourage anyone and everyone to join. Our goal in our participation in the CSL and other events such as the URTL has been to have fun and bond more as a team and as friends. I say this because I have been asked by more 7 or 8 people in the past month or so about this whole thing because of my relation to Nanocloud via the club. I've been in the club since the year SC2 launched and love it and the people in it to death so understand why it's heartbreaking to know the club is being talked about in regards to someone being a scam artist that belongs to the club. [/emotionalrant]
I say I'm speaking for the club but I am not the president(nor was I, I was just the VP), nor am I actually at Purdue University anymore. I was, however, a very active member of the club and I like to think I knew what was going on. I see the drama in this thread spiraling out of control from researched facts(that I have no idea about as I don't know and haven't asked about the funding of Core gaming, etc.) to exaggerated claims(such as identity theft) that I know are not true. I am a huge believer in the semi-pro team community and I understand why this is important to many people(and I believe it is as these are serious allegations), but please try and keep a level head in regards to these things. The incident today during WCS finals where "Terry the Intern" jokingly got fired by NASL and reddit BLEW UP about it when it was(at least to me) pretty clearly just a joke about how it was his last day as an intern. If this stuff is important to you, keep a calm head, don't jump to unnecessary and conclusions, and handle it like adult.
Anyways, that's my two cents to the situation. It's getting late and I have work in the morning so forgive me if my wording isn't 300% precise as I don't have time to review my post and change the wording to be perfect.
Quick edit because this was bugging me: Pea_Sea made a comment earlier
On August 12 2013 03:56 pea_Sea wrote: I'm the founder of Purdue University Starcraft Club and have met nanocloud in real life. Believe it or not he is a real person that studied nanoscience at Purdue.
I can confirm Pea_Sea did found the club and was president when I joined and he does know nanocloud outside of starcraft.
I'm Skydie and have been semi-active, taking occasional long term breaks, in the Aeon of Storms community for over a year now. I can't address most of the concerns you've mentioned OP, however I'd like to pick up on your point of referring to the Wikia article on Neurotic. First of all the site is now out-dated, due to a recent balance patch, but it's also a non-serious site. I know I'm slipping into ad-hominem territory but in the spoiler I've posted a link to the main contributors page. + Show Spoiler +
The majority of the 'Mumble/Inhouse' community initially had a lukewarm reception to Neurotic, who admitedly were not used to Neurotic's more non-nonsese approach to tournaments and events. It's true he doesn't like trolling/griefing and admitedly it was a shock to the system for many people that suddenly players in a community entrenched deep in trolling, would now have to clean up their behaviour to participate in his events. That is a testament to his credibility, he is ambitious and knew that to make any real progress i.e recruiting talent; you can't go around swearing left right and centre and constantly using racial-slurrs. But I know overall Neurotic has benefited Aeon of Storms greatly, and although there are people hostile to him the majority of players greatly appreciate what he has done.
PS: You may look me up on the Aeon of Storms website, and realise that yes I do troll a lot. However I maintain a clean image whenever representing my Clan [UFAM] and in all my contact with the Core community.
PS PS: UFAM is part of Core Gaming. I am only a member of UFAM.
On August 12 2013 15:48 pea_Sea wrote: Even if he did get boosted or boosted someone else (which I have no idea because I don't watch him 24/7), he is not one of the professional players on the team so I don't get what the big point is.
The big point is he's dishonest and does not value fair play, for example, he can not be trusted in a clan war situation where he can have people not even from the team playing in the accounts of the players in the team. The big point is Core gaming's reputation is at stake here.
Cmon Rei, Pea_sea is nanoclouds account. You should know better
Well, I'm a member of the Core Gaming community (We are a community of people, not just for SC2 which came up very recently as Neurotic and his management staff handled much business to make an amateur pro gaming team) and I think that this entire thing is a step in the somewhat right direction.
As with any new thing, someone will find a way to break in and exploit it. I hope Cell isn't one of those people, but if so, then so be it, it will be handled, I'm sure. But the community is what makes us up. We have a small group of people on our teamspeak who enjoy playing a variety of games in our little different groups (like I personally like to play League of Legends). We're a community and we attempt to help each other.
Neurotic has been pushing this from the ground up. We started playing a small, unknown game called Aeon of Storms, a League of Legends-inspired MOBA built on the SC2 engine by RedHydra and his brother Ekco (I forgot his full username). Everyone criticized Neuro because he built on the clan system for it, but the community has grown for the game anyways, even after countless amounts of change. We have teamspeak sanctioned matches (which are matches on teamspeak, run by a director or a executive, for our inhouse Aeon of Storms games) and Neuro will occasionally increase odds for victory for our ladder, making it a very kind of interesting lottery. He's actually a cool guy, and if he's really trying to con everyone, he's ripping himself off in the process, which would kind of defeat the purpose of being so toxic. I'm sure he's not screwing around and maybe Nano isn't the demon the people make him out to be. We don't know yet, but time will reveal the truth.
May as well wait for the official announcement and not really push into the light the vague facts and early beginnings of the clan. If things are bad and someone is poisoning it, we (as a community) will push him out. If all is well, we may be able to keep expanding and try to reach the higher levels of the games we play.
Until then, let's wait for Neurotic's official release of the information before we jump to "x is scamming us" and "this company is a fraud wtf".
If you have any questions regarding the community and how we run, feel free to ask me. I'm Nuparu on League of Legends and my SC2 NA name is Nuparu.844 if you need to contact me.
On August 12 2013 13:30 eLeVaTioN wrote: So the guy stole another person's identity and they defended him.
Jumping to conclusions like this is ridiculous. You have no idea what is going on in the team but you still accuse it of scamming people? If you had a concern about a person on the team, you could have just as easily messaged people on the team to see what is going on before posting on here. Obviously a 10 minute google search that showed next to nothing doesn't prove any sort of scam. What would even be the point of paying out money if it was a scam? How do you think they are making money at this point or will in the future as a scam if they are just paying it out to their players? Why would a team trying to scam others decide to make contracts with players which can be legally enforced? None of this makes any sense.
Also, Nanocloud is still Milad from Purdue that was posted earlier... I am still who I said I was earlier as well... and this team is a real organization. Even if he did get boosted or boosted someone else (which I have no idea because I don't watch him 24/7), he is not one of the professional players on the team so I don't get what the big point is. Milad is still a person with several skills which can be beneficial for the team. Also the team isn't even broadcasting out NanoCloud as being a good person on the team site. This whole thread started with just a broad accusation with no proof about a new team that is trying to make a good name for itself. The Starcraft community will have to get beyond accusing whole teams of people on whims and learn to embrace change if it wants to advance beyond will it is today. Change is where progress comes from if you give it a chance to prove itself. Obviously not everyone on the team even knows 100% how things will go in the future, but that doesn't mean everyone on the team isn't trying to make it succeed.
Just stop right there.
First off I have no association with Rei from sMi. The reason I made this thread was because this entire team seemed sketchy, not because some compulsive liar was boosted into GM. I could honestly give two shits about him paying someone to boost his account, what I care about are teams who come in and lie about various things.
Jumping to conclusions? Are you so delusional to your own bullshit that you don't see what's been presented? One of YOUR players confirmed a skype conversation between himself and another person explaining that Core seemed sketchy, that he didn't get his money or gear (which contradicts what Neurotic claimed that everyone received pay and gear already) and that you guys were even discussing helping him pay for his rent (Like that sounds legitimate). I have skype conversations with other team managers claiming people from Core were coming into their players' twitch chats promising them salary and gear to come join Core (because a real organization would conduct their business over a skype conversation.) We then have a screenshot of NanoClouD saying he stole the identity of Milad . Now people are right, it could have been sarcasm however considering he's turned down every opportunity to prove that he is who he says and you haven't provided proof to confirm his identity either (other than saying you supposedly met him at Purdue) then what else should we believe? We can also prove that he's used programs to forge skype conversations to try and screw over teams and also help himself get out of the sMi situation without taking any shit so we know he is a compulsive liar. It's not about him not being a player, it's about your executive director claiming he's starting up a company that's going to be partnered with Milad and his associates. However the only evidence currently shown goes against Nanocloud and since he's denied every opportunity to prove us wrong, then I guess that screenshot is true and he lied about his identity (which most of us are certain he did anyways). Core Gaming may be a team that has paid some cash out but right now there's been no real answering of questions and all you want to say is "there's no proof". We brought our side of this to the table, where is your proof to prove us wrong?
A bio engineering and neuroscience student at Purdue University. In also this letter he sent to ROOT.puCK he said this
"Nanocloud Dear Puck,
We haven't met formally but my name is Milad and I'm a student majoring in Neuroscience and Biomedical Engineering at Purdue University. I'm a senior who will graduate with a 4.0 at the top of my class. I'm an entrepreneur, scientist, and a humanitarian. I own 2 start-up profitable companies and 1 501(c)3 non-profit working in rural Ethiopia. I've worked very hard in every part of my life and that includes my extracurricular. I'm one of the captains of the Purdue Men's Rugby team and well as a captain for our Starcraft team. I'm highly offended that you went on Tume's stream and talked about me.
at 8:30 of this link, you bring up anonymous.
Anonymous does belong to Neeb. I use to be a gm protoss in WOL. I switched to Terran towards the end of WOL and did fairly well. I made it to top 100 GM with Terran. I beat noteable people like pokebunny and eifersuchtig. (They have streamed games with me playing them). I then switched to zerg during HOTS trying to get to GM that way I could achieve GM with all 3 races.
Neeb is a dear friend of mine and I asked him to borrow his account to play games at the GM mmr using terran. Nanocloud account was made for 1 reason, and that is to play zerg. I've played on anonymous and people assumed it was me because I played several games on there.
I also use several other smurfs. Dont pretend like I'm not GM. To prove people like you wrong, I even streamed a fresh account and it took me less than 3 hours to hit gm mmr on it.
I compete at local lans, tournaments, and various other events. I dont dedicate my life to sc2 like you do, as I'm a full-time student but I try my best to play when I have some free-time. Your comments ruin not only my reputation, but the reputation of my team/school, and friends. I dont pay any of my friends to ladder for me. I've always been very good with terran. You can ask people like pokebunny, eifersuchtig, neeb, etc.
The one thing I do know, is that you have an attitude problem. You seem to BM a great deal in game and out of game. I dont know what your problem is but that behavior is quite unprofessional and inapporpriate.
Thus, I'm taking the necessary steps to report you for harassment. You have no right to make allegations like me paying people to ladder my account. That is quite BM. I'm also annoyed that you perma-banned me from Tume's stream.
I also want to point out how is a college student that is studying nanotechnology, is an ambassador, owns 2 profitable companies, is captain of the Rugby team apparently and from what I've seen has traveled out of the country consistently. How is this guy able to commit time to playing starcraft? And a better question, why would he be so clueless as to getting caught up in situations such as this? Also if the accusations against him are true that people have been leveling his accounts, why would such an amazing and hard working individual try to scam people or lie about themselves playing starcraft? Interesting if you ask me
eLeVaTioN, you have made several statements on here that are just flat out wrong. How is an organization supposed to prove it is not a scam? That is like telling someone to prove that they have never done anything wrong. There is no document that can 100% prove this. Also I would just like to point out that Libel from making defamatory statements can get you into a lot of trouble with the law by opening yourself up to potential civil and criminal liability. Finding out Milad is a real person by getting served by him would be a funny scenario though.
On August 12 2013 16:47 pea_Sea wrote: eLeVaTioN, you have made several statements on here that are just flat out wrong. How is an organization supposed to prove it is not a scam? That is like telling someone to prove that they have never done anything wrong. There is no document that can 100% prove this. Also I would just like to point out that Libel from making defamatory statements can get you into a lot of trouble with the law by opening yourself up to potential civil and criminal liability. Finding out Milad is a real person by getting served by him would be a funny scenario though.
WATCH OUT PEOPLE! BADASS ALERT! HE IS GONNA DO SHIT ON US! EVERYONE RUN!
On August 12 2013 16:47 pea_Sea wrote: eLeVaTioN, you have made several statements on here that are just flat out wrong. How is an organization supposed to prove it is not a scam? That is like telling someone to prove that they have never done anything wrong. There is no document that can 100% prove this. Also I would just like to point out that Libel from making defamatory statements can get you into a lot of trouble with the law by opening yourself up to potential civil and criminal liability. Finding out Milad is a real person by getting served by him would be a funny scenario though.
Which parts were wrong? That one of your players confirmed he didn't get paid and this contradicts what Neurotic claimed earlier?
[12:25:08 PM] Carlos Grijalva: he literally puts me up there with no permission at all. and hes sounding alot like anderson to be honest. telling me hes going to help with my rent and all...... [12:27:56 PM] Hui Shen: so days got no money from core? [12:28:00 PM] Hui Shen: and they put your name up there? [12:28:10 PM] Carlos Grijalva: they offered me money, but the whole thing sounds sketchy [12:28:34 PM] Hui Shen: tell them you will believe it when you get the rent mone [12:28:38 PM] Hui Shen: money [12:28:39 PM] Hui Shen: [12:28:41 PM] Carlos Grijalva: they wouldnt be able to give me any money until novmber 1st.... idk [12:28:48 PM] Carlos Grijalva: so yea sketch
That people from Core have gone into twitch chats promising players salary and gear?
[8/11/2013 2:43:20 PM] Kenny 'Ajukrejzi' Steen - Team Darkstar: Core (dont remember the name of the person) offered my new player gear and shizzle for joining core in his streaming chat wich is extremly unproffesional or lies. he looked like a big troll to me.
That nanocloud isn't who he says? Again the only hard evidence we have is the screenshot of a PM of him saying he stole his identity. I'm still awaiting for him to get on webcam or even reply to my facebook message I sent him. He's only had 12 hours since I sent it and I know he's there... What about him lying and forging skype conversations trying to fuck over Quantic's and LYGF's managers?
[8/11/2013 7:21:26 AM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: he lied to everyone [8/11/2013 7:21:33 AM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: that quantic wanted him [8/11/2013 7:21:39 AM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: then when I bashed at him for that [8/11/2013 7:21:40 AM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: in TL [8/11/2013 7:21:51 AM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: he claimed that I called clarity a joke [8/11/2013 7:21:52 AM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: and a scam [8/11/2013 7:22:02 AM] Pascal Anton: same thing he did to me [8/11/2013 7:22:07 AM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: first time he even applied to quantic [8/11/2013 7:22:11 AM] JM "QuanticDualan" Dualan: I already denied him
And I posted the link somewhere in this thread that's a post from LYGF proving he forged those conversations.
For the sake of this thread, I honestly wish I'm wrong about this but right now it doesn't seem that way. He's been caught in lies time and time again and numerous teams have plenty of negative things to say about him, even teams that he's never truly been associated with. And as I said if he's lying then your organization lied.
I would also like to point out when multiple people (over 20 actually) have all shared similar stories or just in general had negative things to say about nanocloud as well as him being caught in lies, I don't think this is libel.
On August 12 2013 16:47 pea_Sea wrote: eLeVaTioN, you have made several statements on here that are just flat out wrong. How is an organization supposed to prove it is not a scam? That is like telling someone to prove that they have never done anything wrong. There is no document that can 100% prove this. Also I would just like to point out that Libel from making defamatory statements can get you into a lot of trouble with the law by opening yourself up to potential civil and criminal liability. Finding out Milad is a real person by getting served by him would be a funny scenario though.
Libel is a very tricky subject to tread on. Here's the criteria for proving libel: 1) The statements are false 2) The statements caused harm 3) The statements was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement AND 4) The statement was made with the intent to do harm or with reckless disregard for the truth.
The accusation of NaNoCloud being a fake person may be libel on criterias 1 and 2. 3 is a maybe, but that evidence was really open to interpretation. But 4 is definitely the compromising factor. eLeVaTioN made that accusation not out of reckless disregard for the truth. As a matter of fact, his research was based on finding the truth. Thus, your threat for libel accusation falls flat.
Basically, you are making a deep accusation against eLeVaTioN. Furthermore, unlike you, he is providing concrete proof. True, not everything can be revealed in a document, but you should do your best to present the evidence proving NaNoCloud's innocence. Now, it seems that NaNoCloud is not impersonating anyone, and that's cool. However, the amount of distrust from the SC2 community is not unwarranted. He has lied and manipulated the situation unfairly at the expense of other people's credibility.
Btw, your credibility, I think, should check out (for now) because feardragon seems like a legitimate figure who can vouch for you.
To be honest, I was never part of the drama to begin with. I learned more about NaNoCloud when the sMi scamming came out of hand.
At first, I thought NaNoCloud was an innocent by-stander. However, when I heard from other SC2 players such as those from SCA, Quantic Gaming, and other streamers, NaNoCloud is definitely someone I would be distrustful of.
To me, if you are wrongly proven guilty, then you should try your best to prove your innocence before pinpointing the other person's wrongdoing. For a person being a JD candidate, I am very surprised that you don't seem to understand that fundamental concept.
If you know him IRL, then that's cool. But sometimes, people can present very different sides when they are online.
Finally, you can try defending him all you want, but as a community, Starcraft 2 fans have a hard time forgiving and forgetting because eSports is currently an easily exploitable business (even a major company such as IGN has not paid their participants, and a huge Korean company LG is not paying the teams they were sponsoring). We want the NA eSports scene to grow especially yours. However, after seeing a series of major scandals, Starcraft 2 fans are definitely distrustful of new professional teams that don't have a stable source of information. Furthermore, your management has not provided COMPELLING evidence for us to put our doubts to rest.
You can bash eLeVaTiOn all you want, but as a 3rd party observer, I believe he has the upper hand in this discussion. Yeah, he's wrong on several points, but he still has proof to back up most of his claims especially on his accusation of compulsive lying.
If you want to defend NaNoCloud against "liable", well, now is a good time to put your JD education to use, good sir!
On August 12 2013 16:47 pea_Sea wrote: eLeVaTioN, you have made several statements on here that are just flat out wrong. How is an organization supposed to prove it is not a scam? That is like telling someone to prove that they have never done anything wrong. There is no document that can 100% prove this. Also I would just like to point out that Libel from making defamatory statements can get you into a lot of trouble with the law by opening yourself up to potential civil and criminal liability. Finding out Milad is a real person by getting served by him would be a funny scenario though.
Libel is a very tricky subject to tread on. Here's the criteria for proving libel: 1) The statements are false 2) The statements caused harm 3) The statements was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement AND 4) The statement was made with the intent to do harm or with reckless disregard for the truth.
The accusation of NaNoCloud being a fake person may be libel on criterias 1 and 2. 3 is a maybe, but that evidence was really open to interpretation. But 4 is definitely the compromising factor. eLeVaTioN made that accusation not out of reckless disregard for the truth. As a matter of fact, his research was based on finding the truth. Thus, your threat for libel accusation falls flat.
Basically, you are making a deep accusation against eLeVaTioN. Furthermore, unlike you, he is providing concrete proof. True, not everything can be revealed in a document, but you should do your best to present the evidence proving NaNoCloud's innocence. Now, it seems that NaNoCloud is not impersonating anyone, and that's cool. However, the amount of distrust from the SC2 community is not unwarranted. He has lied and manipulated the situation unfairly at the expense of other people's credibility.
Btw, your credibility, I think, should check out (for now) because feardragon seems like a legitimate figure who can vouch for you.
To be honest, I was never part of the drama to begin with. I learned more about NaNoCloud when the sMi scamming came out of hand.
At first, I thought NaNoCloud was an innocent by-stander. However, when I heard from other SC2 players such as those from SCA, Quantic Gaming, and other streamers, NaNoCloud is definitely someone I would be distrustful of.
To me, if you are wrongly proven guilty, then you should try your best to prove your innocence before pinpointing the other person's wrongdoing. For a person being a JD candidate, I am very surprised that you don't seem to understand that fundamental concept.
If you know him IRL, then that's cool. But sometimes, people can present very different sides when they are online.
Finally, you can try defending him all you want, but as a community, Starcraft 2 fans have a hard time forgiving and forgetting because eSports is currently an easily exploitable business (even a major company such as IGN has not paid their participants, and a huge Korean company LG is not paying the teams they were sponsoring). We want the NA eSports scene to grow especially yours. However, after seeing a series of major scandals, Starcraft 2 fans are definitely distrustful of new professional teams that don't have a stable source of information. Furthermore, your management has not provided COMPELLING evidence for us to put our doubts to rest.
You can bash eLeVaTiOn all you want, but as a 3rd party observer, I believe he has the upper hand in this discussion. Yeah, he's wrong on several points, but he still has proof to back up most of his claims especially on his accusation of compulsive lying.
If you want to defend NaNoCloud against "liable", well, now is a good time to put your JD education to use, good sir!
you are sophisticated as fuck bro, that was fun to read
Everything this NaNoCloud guy is involved in just keeps getting better and better. I mean...break out the popcorn.
Is Core a dodgy clan? Who exactly is this Neurotic guy? Why do none of their sponsers actually appear to exist? What, exactly, does Neuroscience have to do with being Operations Director for a gaming team? Did anyone get paid or are people just pretending to be paid? What about the people claiming they know the ones involved? How about that identity theft controversy?
All or possibly none of these questions will be answered next time on TL Forum Drama Time!
Personally I'm just waiting for it to be revealed that NaNoCloud, Anderson Barrett and Neurotic are all the same person. Then he rips a face mask off and it turns out to be Destiny trolling everyone.
On August 12 2013 16:12 feardragon wrote: 3) I made this response based on watching him play during in person club meetings and the fact that he had a masters level account. I do not know where the allegations came from that we claimed he was a gold level player in the sMi thread. I said Masters because the variations in skill between Masters and GM are lost to me.
The evidence about his play on GM and his play with me is here You can see the games yourself, his apm, his hotkey, his mineral usage during times in need of multitasking, all of them are vastly different between the one game he played with me and those 2 game people went into him on ladder. He claim to be top GM skill level with all 3 races and all 9 match ups, you think someone with that kind of skill would lose to me someone who barely made it into masters by grinding over 700 games?
Nanocloud can clear his identity by post a video of himself stating his involvement with core gaming. Just a 10 second video and all he had to do is say "hi, i'm nanocloud and i am a manager of core gaming". That way we will have his face matches that of the Facebook page. Or if he doesn't want to do this, I can do it for him, answer my video skype call and I will record the conversation and post it here.
However even if his has proven his identity he still has no excuses on boosting ppl's account for money, you can't defend him on something he self admitted and then tried to delete the evidence by editing his post, but lucky for us, someone quoted his ass before he edited it out. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423478¤tpage=7#129 This alone is enough to not associate your team with him. and If you really want him as management after knowing the above facts, have him change his name, lie to the community by saying nanocloud is expelled from core gaming, and then have him manage the team anyways. It will save a lot of trouble.
Keep the players that came with nanocloud but exclude this nanocloud person, in fact remove all the management staff that came in together with nanocloud, because you can't trust any of them to not be nanocloud, he's has lied to this community too many times.
I hope to see Core gaming do well, because the players in core have real talents.
I will comment on the first part of your analysis since it is a little misleading. For one, local governments issue business licenses, not the state. So depending on which city their business is operating (e.g. San Francisco, Oakland), that's where they get their license. Many startups use the phrase "based in Caliornia" because they register their corporation somewhere else, usually Delaware, but their offices and operations are in California. So the state site you link would be to find whether their LLC is registered in California.
Although it is compelling that you can't find a website for the companies. Contrast that with EG's site, which is also barren about actual contact or organizational information, but it is more than eager to link you to sponsors. In fact, EG's site pushes their sponsor links in your face on every page.
I appreciate the intent of this thread, and in the context of online gaming, the research done by the original author seems comprehensive. HOWEVER, hate to break it to you, but sometimes the internet doesn't have all the information! (what? no way! the internet knows everything and everything on the internet is true!) Yeah, no.
CorePro Desing, LLC was incorporated a couple of days ago. Now, I know we've all come to expect excellent and speedy service from the state (yeah right) but try checking back in a couple of weeks. As a profession I worked with 12 start-up companies over this summer. All of them exist, I'm certain of that. Try googling them? Nothing. Doesn't mean that anything that doesn't show up in google doesn't exist. Just means it could be new.
And where does it say Core paid all of our players? Yes, you can find many players who haven't been paid, and were not promised pay. Congrats. But instead of going behind our backs and doing shoddy research, why not ask, who HAS been paid? And you will find the players who have been paid, just as promised.
Also, no where did we say our promotional videos were entirely created from scratch. And no, it's not "taking someone else' s work." Why would they create video templates if they didn't want other people to use them? You're supposed to edit and use them as your own. In fact, that's entirely the purpose of video templates. So that statement just seems slander-ish and abrasive.
There's so much more that's just wrong about this thread that could've been entirely clarified by a 10 minute chat with Neurotic or many other members in Core. Instead, the author of this post (who apparently is all about "fair game" and honor) decides to back-door Core, instead of doing the "fair" thing and talking to us first. Thanks.
If anybody believes this drama or has any questions about Core, feel entirely free to talk to anyone on the management team or visit our site and see that we've created something out of nothing that our members love and we're not trying swindle people, we don't make money off of anyone, in fact we've all put in so much time and money, we're pretty much doing it for everyone else. The author asks how we have time to do all this while keeping up in SCII. We don't. I don't remember the last time I've played a video game. Because all the free time I have I spend making Core into something better for the community.
We're all in eSports together, and we'd all like it to become something bigger than it is. So I say we work together, instead of backstabbing others in the industry, god only knows why.
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