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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On January 01 2014 10:25 Slaughter wrote: Um terry Sawchuck and tretiak from the Russian team.would like to have a word with you. yes you are right. Tretiak was epic. Lets throw in Dryden if you want to... but honestly Palmateer best goaltender of alltimes cause hes sharp playing vs mummies?? lmao | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
On January 01 2014 07:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I dont want to start an argument but saying Gretzky isnt the best player of all time seems inapropriate to say the least. Calling any other goalie outside of Roy or Brodeur the best is a travesty as well. ( imo ) Those guys didnt need alumni games to showcase themselves. The Mike Palmateer thing was 100% joke. C'mon man the Canadiens undressed him every game. However, Vladislav Tretiak stopped them. The 1972 Summit Series is not even close if Dryden doesn't play like shit and Tretiak does not stand on his head. There is a reason why Ed Belfour changed his number to 20 guy. Tretiak does not need an alumni game. On to the Gretzky comment: Bobby Orr thinks Wayne Gretzky is an incomplete hockey player. which is dead bang on correct. he never dug a puck out of a corner ever. Orr went on to state that Gretzky was "very talented", but not the greatest of all time. Orr stated this in his 1 hour interview with Bob Costas. So I think saying "Gretzky is not the greatest of all time" is a reasonable stance. Gretzky also brings whining, moaning, crying, and complaining about referee-ing to untold proportions. During the 2002 Olympics Gretzky set up an entire press conference for the biggest whining session in the history of hockey. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
Bobby Orr is right. He may not have been a complete player but no one is and Gretzkys numbers are better then everyone elses so he musta been doing something right | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
On January 02 2014 04:44 sharkeyanti wrote: Yea, I'll take the guy who has more assists than anyone else has total points. You might argue that he wasn't great defensively or whatever, but that level of production more than makes up for any deficiencies. ya, unfortunately, they do not award the stanley cup during the NHL regular season. during much of Gretzky's prime 16 out of 21 teams made the playoffs, making the regular season have little meaning. i'll go with Bobby Orr's judgement. a guy who got to watch Gretzky game in and game out when he was in his prime rather than these "stats experts" who over value the NHL REGULAR SEASON. and a fuck-tonne of Gretzky's "2nd assists" are dubious at best. Gretzky was not even the best player on the Oilers. Messier was more important to Edmonton, and a more complete hockey player than Gretzky. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 02 2014 05:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ya, unfortunately, they do not award the stanley cup during the NHL regular season. during much of Gretzky's prime 16 out of 21 teams made the playoffs, making the regular season have little meaning. i'll go with Bobby Orr's judgement. a guy who got to watch Gretzky game in and game out when he was in his prime rather than these "stats experts" who over value the NHL REGULAR SEASON. and a fuck-tonne of Gretzky's "2nd assists" are dubious at best. Gretzky was not even the best player on the Oilers. Messier was more important to Edmonton, and a more complete hockey player than Gretzky. All you sound like is a really obnoxious hockey hipster. You're clinging to one guy's opinion like it's scripture. Former players haven't been shown to be significantly more trustworthy in their analysis than anyone else. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
On January 02 2014 06:35 Stratos_speAr wrote: All you sound like is a really obnoxious hockey hipster. You're clinging to one guy's opinion like it's scripture. Former players haven't been shown to be significantly more trustworthy in their analysis than anyone else. 1 guy? Bobby Orr ? LOL Bobby Orr was a more complete hockey player than Wayne Gretzky. no i'm going by my own judgement combined with what other guys say. as opposed to blindly reading the stats sheets... also, i added my own points about how meaningless the NHL regular season was in the 80s and how much more scoring there was when Gretz was in his prime. furthermore, what i specifically object to is the comment that my opinion "seems inapropriate to say the least.". sry guy .. but plenty of guys who watched hockey very closely in the 80s think either Orr or Howe were the greatest of all time. myself, i think Mario Lemieux is the GOAT. he could do everything Gretzky could do and more. hell even Claude Lemieux was a better playoff goal scorer than Gretzky. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 02 2014 05:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ya, unfortunately, they do not award the stanley cup during the NHL regular season. during much of Gretzky's prime 16 out of 21 teams made the playoffs, making the regular season have little meaning. i'll go with Bobby Orr's judgement. a guy who got to watch Gretzky game in and game out when he was in his prime rather than these "stats experts" who over value the NHL REGULAR SEASON. and a fuck-tonne of Gretzky's "2nd assists" are dubious at best. Gretzky was not even the best player on the Oilers. Messier was more important to Edmonton, and a more complete hockey player than Gretzky. I think that Gretzky did pretty well in the playoffs as well, given that he also has the most playoff points of all time and won the Conn Smythe twice. | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32088 Posts
Ryan is a rather large one as well. But at the same time, if he isn't gonna be in your top six for scoring, he's not exactly reliable defensively in the way that some of the other wingers are | ||
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StarStruck
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On January 02 2014 05:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ya, unfortunately, they do not award the stanley cup during the NHL regular season. during much of Gretzky's prime 16 out of 21 teams made the playoffs, making the regular season have little meaning. i'll go with Bobby Orr's judgement. a guy who got to watch Gretzky game in and game out when he was in his prime rather than these "stats experts" who over value the NHL REGULAR SEASON. and a fuck-tonne of Gretzky's "2nd assists" are dubious at best. Gretzky was not even the best player on the Oilers. Messier was more important to Edmonton, and a more complete hockey player than Gretzky. Your right. The stanley cup is awarded during the playoff so lets look at Gretzkys playoff stats: 208GP(15th) 122G(1st), 260A(1st), 382P(1st),34PPG (T-3rd) 11 SHG (2nd), 24 GWG (T-1st), 3 OTG(T-10). Points are king. And most 2nd assists are questionable. | ||
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Thallis
United States314 Posts
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
doesnt make it true. Wayne was the Great One for 20 years. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32088 Posts
The two things I have a hard time reconciling is how Ryan and Yandle did not make the team. Ryan would be the third best pure offensive forward on the team behind Kane and Kessel. I get that the team was trying to build the top six to be scoring and the bottom six to be more defensively reliable, but I have a hard time buying that Ryan is not better than JVR (who I do like though). I would have much preferred Schneider over Howard, but I doubt either would sniff playing time behind Miller and Quick. Parise-Kesler-Kane JVR-Pavelski-Kessel Pacioretty-Stepan-Callahan Brown-Backes-Oshie Wheeler and Statsny (Don't know offhand who plays what side fwiw) Suter-McDonagh Carlson-Shattenkirk Martin-Orpik Faulk- Fowler Miller-Quick-Howard Found this... Long read, but gives a lot of insight on the picks http://espn.go.com/olympics/hockey/story/_/id/10195703/how-us-hockey-team-bound-sochi-olympics-was-named | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
The USA have a lot of speed not only on their front end, but their back end too. They'll be fun to watch. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
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