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People clearly don't always play on their home server. Every one of my games is now flooded with Spanish speakers from Mexico/Latin America. They refuse to talk in English (I actually speak some Spanish but they have like 15 different countries/versions here), generally feed uncontrollably, and group report you for being a gringo.
I can't count how many of my games in the last few weeks have been ruined by Spanish speaking players on THE AMERICAN SERVERS. Where is the issue in region locking the game? If you're not going to make a Spanish language setting (for the second most spoken language in the world, and let's be honest, it doesn't force them to choose their own language) then action needs to be taken.
QQ nerd tears I can't play with my friends/favorite pros from other regions. Oh well, now 65% of my games aren't ruined from minute 1. While you're at it, do the same for Russians in Europe as I believe nobody enjoys playing with them either from what I hear.
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United States43350 Posts
Region locking is awful and would make playing with international friends, such as those on tl, considerably more difficult. The game shouldn't actively prevent people from playing it the way they want unless there is no alternative. In this case the alternatives are just dealing with language issues or perhaps some kind of report for not speaking the language they queued for which would put them with other people who all spoke the same language.
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iom pretty sure no one has ever enjoyed a game of dota ever so you might want to give up on that
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Region locking would totally suck.
No1 wants it.
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> Why isn't Dota2 region locked?
So, I speak fluent English, I coordinate and play my best to help my team and I have tons of international friends, but because you can't handle a couple spanish speakers on an international game I'm not allowed to queue with my friends?
Dota2 needs good latin servers not located in Brazil(because the brazilian servers have awful routing to the rest of latin america), that's it.
Also, from my experience, it's been a long time since I've seen a spanish speaker on USE that "ruined" the game for speaking spanish. Most of the time, the guy ruining the game is the jerk complaining about the spanish speaker. And it's been a REALLY long time since I've seen annoying brazilians on USE as well - most of them prefer to play on 50ms ping on SA server rather than 180ms and english speakers.
And don't act like USE/USW are servers exclusive to the US. Or do you really expect Mexicans to queue to south-america, on an arguably farther server?
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Weird, I didn't realize americans didn't speak spanish.
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region lock is usually due to copyright/sales laws. Region locking is bad for the reasons Kwark listed above. But I agree that something needs to be done about the language thing...for communication reasons.
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It's really annoying that americans insist on playing on THE AMERICAN SERVER. I wonder why they refuse to play on THE EUROPEAN SERVER or even THE AUSTRALIAN SERVER.
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On June 03 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:
Region locking is awful and would make playing with international friends, such as those on tl, considerably more difficult. The game shouldn't actively prevent people from playing it the way they want unless there is no alternative. In this case the alternatives are just dealing with language issues or perhaps some kind of report for not speaking the language they queued for which would put them with other people who all spoke the same language.
I agree. I hate the idea of region locking.
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After the filter by language option was implemented i very rarely get people who don't speak some kind of english.
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On June 03 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:
Region locking is awful and would make playing with international friends, such as those on tl, considerably more difficult. The game shouldn't actively prevent people from playing it the way they want unless there is no alternative. In this case the alternatives are just dealing with language issues or perhaps some kind of report for not speaking the language they queued for which would put them with other people who all spoke the same language.
Do you think playing with friends is more important than more than half of my games being ruined because on an English server, with English language selected, players refuse to speak English?
How exactly do I deal with a problem when it is ruining over half my games. I guess dealing with it just means accepting the fact half the time you play your games is ruined. And I'm really not exaggerating on the percentage of games this happens in either.
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iom pretty sure no one has ever enjoyed a game of dota ever so you might want to give up on that
This.
No but seriously valve needs to add a portuguese and spanish filters, a large body of people in north america natively speak these languages and are ruining english matchmaking for other people by not speaking english and queuing for it.
I find that my mmr is high enough that I don't get anyone like this when I soloqueue, I usually get a bunch of other native english speakers. However, whenever I queue with my friends who (generally) are lower skilled I get a roster full of "hueuheue".
Really I can handle this because I've played dota and HoN for a long time, but there's no reason it shouldn't be fixed. Especially with the new mute system it appears the foreigners pleading for reports from the other team often seems to get me muted. Highly obnoxious to win a lane, almost carry your team, lose, and then receive a mute just because 6/10 players in the game can all "huehuehueheu" down the street to the report button together.
Region locking is equally fucking retarded though.
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United States43350 Posts
On June 03 2013 06:52 lizzuma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:
Region locking is awful and would make playing with international friends, such as those on tl, considerably more difficult. The game shouldn't actively prevent people from playing it the way they want unless there is no alternative. In this case the alternatives are just dealing with language issues or perhaps some kind of report for not speaking the language they queued for which would put them with other people who all spoke the same language. Do you think playing with friends is more important than more than half of my games being ruined because on an English server, with English language selected, players refuse to speak English? How exactly do I deal with a problem when it is ruining over half my games. I guess dealing with it just means accepting the fact half the time you play your games is ruined. And I'm really not exaggerating on the percentage of games this happens in either.
Absolutely. Playing with friends is the only reason I play.
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On June 03 2013 06:42 SKC wrote:
It's really annoying that americans insist on playing on THE AMERICAN SERVER. I wonder why they refuse to play on THE EUROPEAN SERVER or even THE AUSTRALIAN SERVER.
Technically speaking its not "The American server" or "North America West and East" , they're called United States West and East. But it's more their geography than who can play there obviously.
I haven't run into too many non English speaking teammates since the whole language select thing went in. Every once in a while there will be people from Mexico or Brazil that won't speak English. It does get frustrating usually. But I've played with some guys from Mexico or Brazil solo queue, no English, we shit talk each other and still end up winning so there were lulz and huehuehue's to be had at the end of the day anyway.
I most often play with a buddy who happens to be from Mexico. He can be helpful if translating is actually needed lol. But region locking is super dumb. It artificially puts limits on something that doesn't really need them. Check English and by and large the problem solves itself. There will always be the random game where you get some foreign guys that don't speak the language but they're few and far between.
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On June 03 2013 06:39 Zephirdd wrote:
> Why isn't Dota2 region locked?
So, I speak fluent English, I coordinate and play my best to help my team and I have tons of international friends, but because you can't handle a couple spanish speakers on an international game I'm not allowed to queue with my friends?
Dota2 needs good latin servers not located in Brazil(because the brazilian servers have awful routing to the rest of latin america), that's it.
Also, from my experience, it's been a long time since I've seen a spanish speaker on USE that "ruined" the game for speaking spanish. Most of the time, the guy ruining the game is the jerk complaining about the spanish speaker. And it's been a REALLY long time since I've seen annoying brazilians on USE as well - most of them prefer to play on 50ms ping on SA server rather than 180ms and english speakers.
And don't act like USE/USW are servers exclusive to the US. Or do you really expect Mexicans to queue to south-america, on an arguably farther server?
Why shouldnt they? Allows them to communicate better.
It's all about your perspective. For you of course Spanish speakers don't ruin games for other people. But when username JUAN (this happened to me yesterday) picks Spiritbreaker for the long lane solo and communicates exclusively with the other Spanish speaking friend in the party, ignoring the rest of the team the entire game, can't you see how this becomes a problem?
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On June 03 2013 06:52 lizzuma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:
Region locking is awful and would make playing with international friends, such as those on tl, considerably more difficult. The game shouldn't actively prevent people from playing it the way they want unless there is no alternative. In this case the alternatives are just dealing with language issues or perhaps some kind of report for not speaking the language they queued for which would put them with other people who all spoke the same language. Do you think playing with friends is more important than more than half of my games being ruined because on an English server, with English language selected, players refuse to speak English? How exactly do I deal with a problem when it is ruining over half my games. I guess dealing with it just means accepting the fact half the time you play your games is ruined. And I'm really not exaggerating on the percentage of games this happens in either.
Of course. Playing with friends is more important than anything else.
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On June 03 2013 06:53 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:52 lizzuma wrote:On June 03 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:
Region locking is awful and would make playing with international friends, such as those on tl, considerably more difficult. The game shouldn't actively prevent people from playing it the way they want unless there is no alternative. In this case the alternatives are just dealing with language issues or perhaps some kind of report for not speaking the language they queued for which would put them with other people who all spoke the same language. Do you think playing with friends is more important than more than half of my games being ruined because on an English server, with English language selected, players refuse to speak English? How exactly do I deal with a problem when it is ruining over half my games. I guess dealing with it just means accepting the fact half the time you play your games is ruined. And I'm really not exaggerating on the percentage of games this happens in either. Absolutely. Playing with friends is the only reason I play.
How many international friends do you usually play with? There's always going to be a loss in whatever scenario you choose. I honestly don't think losing inter-regional play capacity is more detrimental to DotA than fixing the language issue.
EDIT: Please keep in mind you're only hypothetically losing the ability to play with friends outside your region. Everyone on my friends list plays on USE/W.
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On June 03 2013 06:52 lizzuma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:
Region locking is awful and would make playing with international friends, such as those on tl, considerably more difficult. The game shouldn't actively prevent people from playing it the way they want unless there is no alternative. In this case the alternatives are just dealing with language issues or perhaps some kind of report for not speaking the language they queued for which would put them with other people who all spoke the same language. Do you think playing with friends is more important than more than half of my games being ruined because on an English server, with English language selected, players refuse to speak English? How exactly do I deal with a problem when it is ruining over half my games. I guess dealing with it just means accepting the fact half the time you play your games is ruined. And I'm really not exaggerating on the percentage of games this happens in either.
Yes. You deal with it by accepting that playing with people that don't speak your native language is possible, that people have been doing that with few issues for ages, and that people from other countries are not inferior players just because of the language they speak. As others have posted, it's clear not everyone thinks it's such a big deal.
Btw, it's not an English Server, it's a server located on USE. Selecting English is meaningless if they don't speak Chinese or Russian. I wonder what you think these players should be doing instead.
The closer server cluster to a big portion of latin america is on USE, so if they region locked it today, with no other changes, you would still have people speaking spanish in it. If they did it by latency, basically all spanish speakers would be playing on USE.
What really boggles my mind is that you are not even suggesting the creation of a spanish server, you just want to get rid of them in your precious server. I wonder what would be your reaction if they banned english speakers from USE, keeping them restricted to USW, and make USE the spanish server. What exactly do you suggest spanish speakers should do?
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On June 03 2013 06:56 lizzuma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:53 KwarK wrote:On June 03 2013 06:52 lizzuma wrote:On June 03 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:
Region locking is awful and would make playing with international friends, such as those on tl, considerably more difficult. The game shouldn't actively prevent people from playing it the way they want unless there is no alternative. In this case the alternatives are just dealing with language issues or perhaps some kind of report for not speaking the language they queued for which would put them with other people who all spoke the same language. Do you think playing with friends is more important than more than half of my games being ruined because on an English server, with English language selected, players refuse to speak English? How exactly do I deal with a problem when it is ruining over half my games. I guess dealing with it just means accepting the fact half the time you play your games is ruined. And I'm really not exaggerating on the percentage of games this happens in either. Absolutely. Playing with friends is the only reason I play. How many international friends do you usually play with? There's always going to be a loss in whatever scenario you choose. I honestly don't think losing inter-regional play capacity is more detrimental to DotA than fixing the language issue. EDIT: Please keep in mind you're only hypothetically losing the ability to play with friends outside your region. Everyone on my friends list plays on USE/W.
I like how every argument is about YOU, without thinking about other people. It's all about your perspective it seems.
Tell me, what should Juan, the Mexican, who has 40ms ping to USW/USE but has 200 to SA, do? Pick the Spanish language and queue to the MX server? Oh wait.
Also I don't speak Spanish, so I'm on the same boat as you when a spanish speaker queues to USE. I am Brazilian, and we speak Portuguese(with obligatory learning of English on most schools; I always wonder if you guys have that for other languages), and no, Portuguese is nowhere close to Spanish to understand what they say.
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I have only the Australian server selected but I often end up playing with chinese, korean and other SEA players and at the end of the day? They're just as good as any other dota players. Usually they speak just enough english to understand "go here", "gank now" etc, and that's all you need.
Sounds like OP is a madbad gringo feeder? 
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