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On June 03 2013 06:30 lizzuma wrote:
People clearly don't always play on their home server. Every one of my games is now flooded with Spanish speakers from Mexico/Latin America. They refuse to talk in English (I actually speak some Spanish but they have like 15 different countries/versions here), generally feed uncontrollably, and group report you for being a gringo.
I can't count how many of my games in the last few weeks have been ruined by Spanish speaking players on THE AMERICAN SERVERS. Where is the issue in region locking the game? If you're not going to make a Spanish language setting (for the second most spoken language in the world, and let's be honest, it doesn't force them to choose their own language) then action needs to be taken.
QQ nerd tears I can't play with my friends/favorite pros from other regions. Oh well, now 65% of my games aren't ruined from minute 1. While you're at it, do the same for Russians in Europe as I believe nobody enjoys playing with them either from what I hear.
Isn't Spanish the 4th most spoken language (saying that it's the 2nd makes it seem like you only know about America)?
Valve still also has to consider the player population language distribution for matching too. That's why there are Chinese, English, and Russian choices.
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On June 03 2013 07:19 Pseudoku wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:30 lizzuma wrote:
People clearly don't always play on their home server. Every one of my games is now flooded with Spanish speakers from Mexico/Latin America. They refuse to talk in English (I actually speak some Spanish but they have like 15 different countries/versions here), generally feed uncontrollably, and group report you for being a gringo.
I can't count how many of my games in the last few weeks have been ruined by Spanish speaking players on THE AMERICAN SERVERS. Where is the issue in region locking the game? If you're not going to make a Spanish language setting (for the second most spoken language in the world, and let's be honest, it doesn't force them to choose their own language) then action needs to be taken.
QQ nerd tears I can't play with my friends/favorite pros from other regions. Oh well, now 65% of my games aren't ruined from minute 1. While you're at it, do the same for Russians in Europe as I believe nobody enjoys playing with them either from what I hear.
Isn't Spanish the 4th most spoken language (saying that it's the 2nd makes it seem like you only know about America)? Valve still also has to consider the player population language distribution for matching too. That's why there are Chinese, English, and Russian choices.
Regarding native speakers, it's the second most spoken language, but it's only slightly ahead of english. It's hard to estimate the actual number of speakers though, english is likely ahead of spanish since it is the most common second language people learn, so it should be at least third or lower.
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As long as they speak enough english to properly communicate
(which most do), who cares? It's definitely frustrating when they speak 0 english, and do things that impact the game negatively, but dont understand the english that goes along with them. (for example, single pulling, pushing the creep wave when not intending to push the tower), but I can't say I blame them for queuing the server that results in the most acceptable playing conditions.
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Russian Federation4050 Posts
Two things never change in Dota 2:
- constant begging for a new hero
- constant whining about russians/brazillians/spanish(O_O) and demanding of a "forced seperate server"/"region blocking".
Even though new heroes will eventually be added, I will have to disappoint you - russians/brazillians/spanish will be everywhere, just get used to this thought and don't punish yourself with false hopes.
Every new (the same old) thread like this is still somewhat interesting to read though. The same people say the same words, it's amusing.
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On June 03 2013 07:26 Leyra wrote:
As long as they speak enough english to properly communicate
(which most do), who cares? It's definitely frustrating when they speak 0 english, and do things that impact the game negatively, but dont understand the english that goes along with them. (for example, single pulling, pushing the creep wave when not intending to push the tower), but I can't say I blame them for queuing the server that results in the most acceptable playing conditions.
Since the chat wheel auto-translates, you don't need to even speak any english as long as you use it. It does get frustrating when you can't communicate with people, but valve only has 3 language options currently. It does however get frustrating when people try and communicate with languages I don't know and do things that I would normally ask them not to do, but can't even nicely say something about it.
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On June 03 2013 06:56 lizzuma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:53 KwarK wrote:On June 03 2013 06:52 lizzuma wrote:On June 03 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:
Region locking is awful and would make playing with international friends, such as those on tl, considerably more difficult. The game shouldn't actively prevent people from playing it the way they want unless there is no alternative. In this case the alternatives are just dealing with language issues or perhaps some kind of report for not speaking the language they queued for which would put them with other people who all spoke the same language. Do you think playing with friends is more important than more than half of my games being ruined because on an English server, with English language selected, players refuse to speak English? How exactly do I deal with a problem when it is ruining over half my games. I guess dealing with it just means accepting the fact half the time you play your games is ruined. And I'm really not exaggerating on the percentage of games this happens in either. Absolutely. Playing with friends is the only reason I play. How many international friends do you usually play with? There's always going to be a loss in whatever scenario you choose. I honestly don't think losing inter-regional play capacity is more detrimental to DotA than fixing the language issue. EDIT: Please keep in mind you're only hypothetically losing the ability to play with friends outside your region. Everyone on my friends list plays on USE/W.
I have more NA dota friends than European ones. Even if it meant non-english speaking players every time I solo queued, I'd keep being able to play with friends.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
The moral of this thread is that lizzuma's friends all live in the same country as he does and he doesn't understand that this isn't the case for everyone else.
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On June 03 2013 07:44 Blazinghand wrote:
The moral of this thread is that lizzuma's friends all live in the same country as he does and he doesn't understand that this isn't the case for everyone else.
I think he understands that, he just doesn't care because it doesn't affect him.
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Region locking would be pretty ass, but i do want some kind of report function for people who, for instance, queue up on EU West and only speak russian.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On June 03 2013 07:46 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 07:44 Blazinghand wrote:
The moral of this thread is that lizzuma's friends all live in the same country as he does and he doesn't understand that this isn't the case for everyone else. I think he understands that, he just doesn't care because it doesn't affect him.
Somehow I think that's actually worse.
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All DotA 2 servers are russian. It is known.
Seriously, locking them would be terrible, for the same reasons people bitched 3 years to get region unlock on sc2. Why couldn't you play with your American friends when you're European? It would just be cool if people dared use english at least for basic communication, but eh. It has gotten better recently, but for a while it was an exception to find an english speaker in a dota game.
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Here we go again, from Joindota to Teamliquid with no stops.
Do you want me to say how many times a "gringo" ruined my game because a good english speaker but native spanish speaker was playing "IN HIS SERVER OMG".
They check your profile and if you're not from US, bam! you're 1-muted 2-flamed to death 3-lost in desperation because they wont play, theyrefuse to play.
So, do you really believe they ruined your game? or you just want an scapegoat because you suck and you can OMGWTFBBQ carry 5v1 ?
Region locking is just stupid, with the total globalization of the world, you now have lots of options to communicate and make new online friends, have fun, and share interests, dota is about that too.
Last day i had a really awfull game when a "F!"·$ gringo" went "PATRIOTIC MODE, OMG! USA BEST AMERICA", and flamed an Argentinian who was playing in USE (because obviously brazil server has a shitty routing so unless you're from brazil you dont play there), communicating in ENGLISH, but said something to me in spanish, after all, game was lost, and i have the feeling you are just like that, a TIPICAL AMERICAN, heck, a Tipical United States Of America citizen who lacks common sense, proper education and sense of humanity, who thinks America is #Numbero uno and there's Europe and Russia, and thats it, Africa is "niggaplace" and Australia is "kangarooland".
So, think twice about how many times an "spanish speaker" shitted on your games, and how many times you ruined a game for your other 4 teammates.
BTW, send me the last 20 matches ID, i will personally watch them all and see if 10 of them were ruined by Spanish speakers.
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They should make you take a small spelling/grammar test when you select languages in dota...
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On June 03 2013 07:44 Blazinghand wrote:
The moral of this thread is that lizzuma's friends all live in the same country as he does and he doesn't understand that this isn't the case for everyone else.
I'm just tired of having my games ruined. I'm actually surprised to see it doesn't affect more of you. Like I said, I wasn't exaggerating when I said over 50% have been ruined. And I know the difference between "passable" english, or "passable," communication, and otherwise. Rarely do I play with the Spanish speaker who attempts to coordinate anything in English.
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On June 03 2013 08:08 DV G wrote:
Here we go again, from Joindota to Teamliquid with no stops.
Do you want me to say how many times a "gringo" ruined my game because a good english speaker but native spanish speaker was playing "IN HIS SERVER OMG".
They check your profile and if you're not from US, bam! you're 1-muted 2-flamed to death 3-lost in desperation because they wont play, theyrefuse to play.
So, do you really believe they ruined your game? or you just want an scapegoat because you suck and you can OMGWTFBBQ carry 5v1 ?
Region locking is just stupid, with the total globalization of the world, you now have lots of options to communicate and make new online friends, have fun, and share interests, dota is about that too.
Last day i had a really awfull game when a "F!"·$ gringo" went "PATRIOTIC MODE, OMG! USA BEST AMERICA", and flamed an Argentinian who was playing in USE (because obviously brazil server has a shitty routing so unless you're from brazil you dont play there), communicating in ENGLISH, but said something to me in spanish, after all, game was lost, and i have the feeling you are just like that, a TIPICAL AMERICAN, heck, a Tipical United States Of America citizen who lacks common sense, proper education and sense of humanity, who thinks America is #Numbero uno and there's Europe and Russia, and thats it, Africa is "niggaplace" and Australia is "kangarooland".
So, think twice about how many times an "spanish speaker" shitted on your games, and how many times you ruined a game for your other 4 teammates.
BTW, send me the last 20 matches ID, i will personally watch them all and see if 10 of them were ruined by Spanish speakers.
You sound a lot more xenophobic than me. I don't like America very much, but it annoys me when games are ruined because people refuse to try to communicate with others. Goes for other languages too. Thus I don't play on SEA servers, etc.
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I know how it feel lol, happens alot to me either. But I think region locking is not necessary  .
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On June 03 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:
Region locking is awful and would make playing with international friends, such as those on tl, considerably more difficult. The game shouldn't actively prevent people from playing it the way they want unless there is no alternative. In this case the alternatives are just dealing with language issues or perhaps some kind of report for not speaking the language they queued for which would put them with other people who all spoke the same language.
That would sure be nice.
Have they put Spanish in as a language option yet?
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I'm in the exact same situation, all my games are with spanish speakers (mostly peruvians or argentinians, since the brazilians have their own server). I have no idea why there's no spanish in the language option, I would really like to understand. I agree on the fact that the language barrier ruin games, but even though it ruins my games, It's not a reason to lock the regions, it's not the right solution at all. The best solution would be to create a new server in latin america and implant the spanish language option.
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On June 03 2013 08:08 DV G wrote:
Here we go again, from Joindota to Teamliquid with no stops.
Do you want me to say how many times a "gringo" ruined my game because a good english speaker but native spanish speaker was playing "IN HIS SERVER OMG".
They check your profile and if you're not from US, bam! you're 1-muted 2-flamed to death 3-lost in desperation because they wont play, theyrefuse to play.
So, do you really believe they ruined your game? or you just want an scapegoat because you suck and you can OMGWTFBBQ carry 5v1 ?
Region locking is just stupid, with the total globalization of the world, you now have lots of options to communicate and make new online friends, have fun, and share interests, dota is about that too.
Last day i had a really awfull game when a "F!"·$ gringo" went "PATRIOTIC MODE, OMG! USA BEST AMERICA", and flamed an Argentinian who was playing in USE (because obviously brazil server has a shitty routing so unless you're from brazil you dont play there), communicating in ENGLISH, but said something to me in spanish, after all, game was lost, and i have the feeling you are just like that, a TIPICAL AMERICAN, heck, a Tipical United States Of America citizen who lacks common sense, proper education and sense of humanity, who thinks America is #Numbero uno and there's Europe and Russia, and thats it, Africa is "niggaplace" and Australia is "kangarooland".
So, think twice about how many times an "spanish speaker" shitted on your games, and how many times you ruined a game for your other 4 teammates.
BTW, send me the last 20 matches ID, i will personally watch them all and see if 10 of them were ruined by Spanish speakers.
This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read in my life.
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On June 03 2013 08:40 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:
Region locking is awful and would make playing with international friends, such as those on tl, considerably more difficult. The game shouldn't actively prevent people from playing it the way they want unless there is no alternative. In this case the alternatives are just dealing with language issues or perhaps some kind of report for not speaking the language they queued for which would put them with other people who all spoke the same language. That would sure be nice. Have they put Spanish in as a language option yet?
No, that would only apply to Russian, since chinese speakers aren't an issue as far as I know. Somehow I expect a lot of people would still report Spanish speakers even though it would be completelly unjustified, so I don't think it would be a good answer.
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