EPTIt's not a norm for women to play computer and in general society looks down on girls playing computer, classifying them as weird or nerds, compared to boys which is quite normal to play computer.
Girl like social status aswell.
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Kanaz
Denmark658 Posts
It's not a norm for women to play computer and in general society looks down on girls playing computer, classifying them as weird or nerds, compared to boys which is quite normal to play computer. Girl like social status aswell. | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
On April 09 2013 02:58 AGIANTSMURF wrote: Probably because woman don't want to sped 10hrs a day sitting in front of a computer don't need to sit for 10 hour playing sc2 to be good | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:03 Garmer wrote: don't need to sit for 10 hour playing sc2 to be good Haha so true. I remember saviOr saying he only practiced 3-4 hours a day during his prime. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:07 wptlzkwjd wrote: I'm curious: are female chess players allowed to compete with male chess players in games that affect their ratings? Yes. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:07 wptlzkwjd wrote: Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polgár for example.I'm curious: are female chess players allowed to compete with male chess players in games that affect their ratings? | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
It's as simple as men being more adept at games than women due to an entire history of experience compared to 0 experience. On April 09 2013 04:01 Kanaz wrote: Probably the same reason why foreigners can't compete with the koreans in sc2. It's not a norm for women to play computer and in general society looks down on girls playing computer, classifying them as weird or nerds, compared to boys which is quite normal to play computer. Girl like social status aswell. Well, that's the reason why there aren't as many female sc2 players, not the reason female sc2 players are less talented at the game. Many women (definitely not all women) who play sc2 actually fit in more with the boyish/gamer "society" than with a girlish society. Those women have the easiest chance to completely apply themselves to the game, but they still fall very short when compared to men, because they don't have the essentials needed to compete at the highest level. Take AZUBU.Eve for example. She stated that she wants to try her hardest to be a top pro gamer, and not just a marketing tool to be used in eSports. Her goal is actually to compete at the highest level, but she still isn't able to accomplish that. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:12 Shinta) wrote: Black people's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, black people can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with white people in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for white people to do, not black people. It's as simple as white people being more adept at games than women due to an entire history of experience compared to 0 experience. So is this what you would argue if we'd ask "Why are there so few black people playing SC2 at a competitive level?" - just to show you that your argument is nothing but sexist at its best. | ||
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
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iViNtaGe
United States254 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:48 wswas wrote: that's because men are much better than women at literally everything that requires a certain amount of practice and dedication (in general). why would that be different in starcraft? lol. better at literally everything (in general) Aristotle would not be pleased | ||
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Germany4057 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:58 r.Evo wrote: Please don't mindlessly add things to the OP to prove your point when it's not proving it at all. GM: 1380 total GMs, 1353 (98%) male, 27 female (2%). IM: 3036total, IMs, 2953 male (97.3%), 83 female (2.7%) Top 50: 49 male (98%), 1 female (2%) ...notice a pattern? There are just as many women in the top 50 as in the top 3000 if you look at percentages. and why are only 2% of the top3000 female? | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:17 r.Evo wrote: So is this what you would argue if we'd ask "Why are there so few black people playing SC2 at a competitive level?" - just to show you that your argument is nothing but sexist at its best. Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!! Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact. Edit: and sorry, but although there are parts of that copy/paste editing you did that are true, but that wouldn't be the valid argument used for obvious reasons. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
Because, I'm speculating since I can't find numbers on this, the overall chess playing population only has ~2% women. The only legitimate question you can ask in a thread like this is: "Why do so few women start playing SC2/chess?" | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote: Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!! Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact. Can you please provide a scientific source for the statement: "Women are worse at games than men because thanks to evolution their brains are worse at it"? | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:20 r.Evo wrote: Because, I'm speculating since I can't find numbers on this, the overall chess playing population only has ~2% women. The only legitimate question you can ask in a thread like this is: "Why do so few women start playing SC2/chess?" You need to understand that the two questions go hand in hand. You can't be so biased in your counter arguments. On April 09 2013 04:23 r.Evo wrote: Can you please provide a scientific source for the statement: "Women are worse at games than men because thanks to evolution their brains are worse at it"? Try opening a history book and stop trolling the internet. | ||
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anatase
France532 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:26 figq wrote: Similarly to why Koreans are better than foreigners - culture. We live in a culture that from birth treats women as non-competitive and men as competitive, so it gets in their brains in more ways than we could even analyze rigorously. Even if at later age they actively decide to rebel against that, the roots are already there from ages they don't even remember. Exactly. The problem is really not that girls can't achieve top class play like boys. The problem is, men are educated since childhood to be hyper competitive, to strive for success and shit while since very recently, women were not. It is kind of similar to the thinking that men are supposed to focus on hunting to get food while women have to stay home to multitask (therefore not focusing or dedicating themselve to anything). Even though going back to the cavern age is irrelevant, it has been like this for centuries. Now even if they are educated to be competitive as much as men are, at one point, if they decide to have a child, they will lose time and get out of the usual "system": the labor market for example, hardly integrate the fact that women have to be out for a fairly long period. Therefore when women decide to come back, they don't fit-in anymore because of the child and because they supposedly were disconnected from the labour market. The whole thing is: not only men are educated to be highly competitive while women are not, and even when women are getting competitive, they suffer an unequal disadvantage: not because they have a child but because market (or competition overall) consider it as a burden. Now the culture is really the same in video games and SC: Video game is at the beginning very man-centered. You saw recently a wave of gender consideration getting in video games, it's probably the beginning but it clearly shows that women are an important part of video games, while the whole industry is rotting in macho-centric/sexist/gendered stereotypes. Yet women are getting their place slowly and painfully. Seeing all these stupids comment on women or this fucking scandalous harassment from the Fighting game community, on one of their own members. Seriously these guys are utter idiots. I think it is only a matter of time before we see more girls reaching high level. And for the Scarlett story, she wanted to become a female, so lets consider her a woman with fucking huge skills. End of the story. Now, really there are so many negatives/stupids/harassing/violents comments when a girl join a game. And the community is often so childish, protecting their machismo. This makes me feel like throwing up, and i am serious. And to those who thinks defending the place of women in video games is to get laid. They clearly have a problem with the other(s) gender. They see everything in a sexualized relation and can't get passed the image of the woman-object of men's pleasure. TLDR: male gamers' behavior toward women/LGBT gamers sincerly makes me want to throw up and burn them to the bone. They are disgusting. | ||
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Epamynondas
387 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote: Don't you know that human bodiest are the sexiest? There, I fixed that for you. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:23 Shinta) wrote: You need to understand that the two questions go hand in hand. You can't be so biased in your counter arguments. Try opening a history book and stop trolling the internet. I am not sure I really want to know what they tought you in history. | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:17 r.Evo wrote: So is this what you would argue if we'd ask "Why are there so few black people playing SC2 at a competitive level?" - just to show you that your argument is nothing but sexist at its best. DING DING DING and he wins the thread. There are many societal factors relating to gaming, most of them with some stigma attached to them. These are all multiplied for women and lessened (in some cases) for Koreans. Therefore: fewer good female sc2 players, more good korean sc2 players. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote: Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!! Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact. Edit: and sorry, but although there are parts of that copy/paste editing you did that are true, but that wouldn't be the valid argument used for obvious reasons. Can you back up these facts you are claiming with data from sources in the scientific community? Because there is overwhelming research that says you are incorrect in almost every way. Or are you just going to say they are fact and then challenge us to prove you wrong? | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
TossGirl vs Navy 2005 during the Girls Tournament MSL | ||
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