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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
April 08 2013 19:55 GMT
#101
On April 09 2013 03:45 TheFish7 wrote:
What about Tossgirl from BW?

Rumor has it Tossgirl was just ForGG in disguise.
Shodaa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 20:01:00
April 08 2013 19:57 GMT
#102
On April 09 2013 04:53 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:47 lookfirewood wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:17 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:12 Shinta) wrote:
Black people's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, black people can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with white people in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for white people to do, not black people.

It's as simple as white people being more adept at games than women due to an entire history of experience compared to 0 experience.

So is this what you would argue if we'd ask "Why are there so few black people playing SC2 at a competitive level?" - just to show you that your argument is nothing but sexist at its best.

Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!!

Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact.

Edit: and sorry, but although there are parts of that copy/paste editing you did that are true, but that wouldn't be the valid argument used for obvious reasons.


Well, I'll have you know, by facts, that there are more than two genders.



Pretty sure biologically all mammals,at least, have exactly two genders.


Nope, It actually depends on the culture. Some even recognize up to 5 genders. Whether they are social or biological construct is another debate tho. ( I would guess a mix of both, but I'm no expert)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/401120/1/Shodaa/
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
April 08 2013 20:00 GMT
#103
On April 09 2013 04:55 polysciguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 03:58 r.Evo wrote:
Please don't mindlessly add things to the OP to prove your point when it's not proving it at all.

Chess is another great example, Judit polgar is the only female GM to peak at above 2700 elo (2735), and is currently 2695 the highest ranked female chess player in the world. at this moment there are nearly 50 male GM's above 2700, the highest ranked being magnus carlson at 2868.


GM:
1380 total GMs, 1353 (98%) male, 27 female (2%).

IM:
3036total, IMs, 2953 male (97.3%), 83 female (2.7%)

Top 50: 49 male (98%), 1 female (2%)

...notice a pattern? There are just as many women in the top 50 as in the top 3000 if you look at percentages.


according to a study in 2012 48% of game purchasers were female so by your logic nearly half the gm ladder should be women. I would believe that the culture of gaming and just the west in general is more geared toward male gamers than female, but that doesn't explain why the females who do play don't play as well as the male players.
http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2012.pdf

No, because the number of females buying video games is irrelevant when you're trying to figure out how many actively play starcraft.

As I said if someone can find numbers for that it would be pretty awesome but I doubt those are easy to find.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
April 08 2013 20:00 GMT
#104
On April 09 2013 04:53 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:47 lookfirewood wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:17 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:12 Shinta) wrote:
Black people's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, black people can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with white people in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for white people to do, not black people.

It's as simple as white people being more adept at games than women due to an entire history of experience compared to 0 experience.

So is this what you would argue if we'd ask "Why are there so few black people playing SC2 at a competitive level?" - just to show you that your argument is nothing but sexist at its best.

Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!!

Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact.

Edit: and sorry, but although there are parts of that copy/paste editing you did that are true, but that wouldn't be the valid argument used for obvious reasons.


Well, I'll have you know, by facts, that there are more than two genders.



Pretty sure biologically all mammals,at least, have exactly two genders.

pretty possitive the word gender has nothing to do with biology
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
April 08 2013 20:02 GMT
#105
On April 09 2013 04:44 Nachtwind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:43 TortoiseCa wrote:
Because most women don't play it - it's as simple as that.


Studies have shown that 30%-40% of gamers are womens.

edit: On a side note most women said they play because of fun

my assumption here is that competition in video games is for them not fun



Most men play games because they are fun too. They largely don't find games where you get your ass kicked 50% of the time as fun either. Seriously we post on TL, we are not normal gamers.
Shodaa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada404 Posts
April 08 2013 20:02 GMT
#106
On April 09 2013 05:00 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:53 namste wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:47 lookfirewood wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:17 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:12 Shinta) wrote:
Black people's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, black people can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with white people in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for white people to do, not black people.

It's as simple as white people being more adept at games than women due to an entire history of experience compared to 0 experience.

So is this what you would argue if we'd ask "Why are there so few black people playing SC2 at a competitive level?" - just to show you that your argument is nothing but sexist at its best.

Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!!

Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact.

Edit: and sorry, but although there are parts of that copy/paste editing you did that are true, but that wouldn't be the valid argument used for obvious reasons.


Well, I'll have you know, by facts, that there are more than two genders.



Pretty sure biologically all mammals,at least, have exactly two genders.

pretty possitive the word gender has nothing to do with biology


Yes and no. Gender roles are socials, but gender identity is biological.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/401120/1/Shodaa/
Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 20:05:29
April 08 2013 20:03 GMT
#107
On April 09 2013 05:02 MstrJinbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:44 Nachtwind wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:43 TortoiseCa wrote:
Because most women don't play it - it's as simple as that.


Studies have shown that 30%-40% of gamers are womens.

edit: On a side note most women said they play because of fun

my assumption here is that competition in video games is for them not fun



Most men play games because they are fun too. They largely don't find games where you get your ass kicked 50% of the time as fun either. Seriously we post on TL, we are not normal gamers.


50% their ass kicked... hmmm... you mean the MMR of starcraft 2 do you no?

edit: Competition enviroments (the questions was why there are so few female pro gamers) are not fun for the bigger part of female gamers

invisible tetris level master
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 08 2013 20:04 GMT
#108
On April 09 2013 04:49 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:41 Plansix wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:31 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:27 Plansix wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:17 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:12 Shinta) wrote:
Black people's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, black people can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with white people in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for white people to do, not black people.

It's as simple as white people being more adept at games than women due to an entire history of experience compared to 0 experience.

So is this what you would argue if we'd ask "Why are there so few black people playing SC2 at a competitive level?" - just to show you that your argument is nothing but sexist at its best.

Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!!

Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact.

Edit: and sorry, but although there are parts of that copy/paste editing you did that are true, but that wouldn't be the valid argument used for obvious reasons.


Can you back up these facts you are claiming with data from sources in the scientific community? Because there is overwhelming research that says you are incorrect in almost every way. Or are you just going to say they are fact and then challenge us to prove you wrong?

No there isn't scientific data that proves me wrong. Try showing me some though, and I'll look through it and check out why it doesn't prove me wrong.

Also take note that I'm also smart enough to realize that as there are differences in every scenario, there are also exceptions in many of them.


No, I feel not need to provide you with proof of given fact that there that women are at no disadvantage when it comes to skills of hand eye coordination and multitasking. They can play the piano, drums and be prime minister of a nation. You and your beliefs are a relic of a previous time and have no baring on the modern world. You are wrong and people have done the work for me. You are just to much of a fool to admit it.

Proving you wrong is like me wasting my time arguing with someone who does not believe the moon landing took place. As pointless an exercise as screaming at the rain.

lol, then you're doing me a favor by saving me the time proving you wrong in your own research.

Yes women can play the piano, drums, and be prime minister of a nation. You seem to be catching on to the fact that the world has changed more in the past few centuries than it did during the rest of its existence. I also do believe that I referenced this fact already in a previous post I made in this same thread.
Women are becoming increasingly talented in things that they were not talented in before, due to their complete lack of experience. It doesn't take that long for this change to occur when the correct circumstances pull themselves together.
Where there wasn't something before is exactly where something can and will be in the future. The biggest keypoint here is that it wasn't there before, and needs to be developed before it's there.


Nah, I think I will just call you a sexist idiot and move on. By providing you with things to argue against, I am playing into your game. It easier for both of us and the most factual thing I could state by saying, your wrong and the world has proven it. Your points are invalid and you are simply trolling the thread with your sexist non-sense.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
April 08 2013 20:04 GMT
#109
There are difference between men and women beyond muscle mass. Coordination, spacial orientation, and abstraction are all in the male's favor. Just look at golf, where many women play. Know the big difference between men and women players? It's not driving, it's putting, which has little to do with strength and is bases on skill and feel.
SC2 Mapmaker
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 20:05:29
April 08 2013 20:05 GMT
#110
On April 09 2013 04:55 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:44 ComaDose wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:41 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:33 Shodaa wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:23 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:20 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:19 75 wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:58 r.Evo wrote:
Please don't mindlessly add things to the OP to prove your point when it's not proving it at all.

Chess is another great example, Judit polgar is the only female GM to peak at above 2700 elo (2735), and is currently 2695 the highest ranked female chess player in the world. at this moment there are nearly 50 male GM's above 2700, the highest ranked being magnus carlson at 2868.


GM:
1380 total GMs, 1353 (98%) male, 27 female (2%).

IM:
3036total, IMs, 2953 male (97.3%), 83 female (2.7%)

Top 50: 49 male (98%), 1 female (2%)

...notice a pattern? There are just as many women in the top 50 as in the top 3000 if you look at percentages.



and why are only 2% of the top3000 female?

Because, I'm speculating since I can't find numbers on this, the overall chess playing population only has ~2% women. The only legitimate question you can ask in a thread like this is: "Why do so few women start playing SC2/chess?"

You need to understand that the two questions go hand in hand. You can't be so biased in your counter arguments.


On April 09 2013 04:23 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:17 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:12 Shinta) wrote:
Black people's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, black people can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with white people in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for white people to do, not black people.

It's as simple as white people being more adept at games than women due to an entire history of experience compared to 0 experience.

So is this what you would argue if we'd ask "Why are there so few black people playing SC2 at a competitive level?" - just to show you that your argument is nothing but sexist at its best.

Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!!

Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact.

Can you please provide a scientific source for the statement: "Women are worse at games than men because thanks to evolution their brains are worse at it"?

Try opening a history book and stop trolling the internet.


History is irrelevant. It's just show what gender role and expectation were.There's no proof there that women are biologically inferior than man in games. And I might add that this is kind of a sexist comment to make.


lol, to you and everyone else who thinks history is irrelevant. I hope you're able to catch on pretty soon on how wrong you are.
History is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world. "Scientific findings" are proven wrong by "scientific findings" every day of the year, while history remains stone. There is so much to be learned through history. Please open your eyes.

Everyone needs to realize though, there is give and take in everything. Every piece of scientific evidence, every page in a history book, every first hand experience a person has, has some aspects that can be applied generally and others that can't. Don't be so close minded to think that 1 article or 1 scientist has the complete answer to an issue at hand.
Expand your minds~!


sexist person who thinks history is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world tells me to open my mind.
theres something i can check off my forum scavenger hunt.

Hard to call me sexist when I'm one of the biggest supporters of females in eSports and sports in general.
Luway was my favorite player when she was most active, and I will always support Eve and Luway so long as they play this game.
Also long time fan of ColaGirl and MiSs.

I've always explained that women can and will become better at games, as they have with most other things. It's just a matter of time, but there are reasons they aren't yet, at this point in time.

So I repeat, stop being so close minded.

its not hard to call you sexist
Women's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, women can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with men in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for men to do, not women.

you're sexist
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
April 08 2013 20:05 GMT
#111
On April 09 2013 05:03 Nachtwind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 05:02 MstrJinbo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:44 Nachtwind wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:43 TortoiseCa wrote:
Because most women don't play it - it's as simple as that.


Studies have shown that 30%-40% of gamers are womens.

edit: On a side note most women said they play because of fun

my assumption here is that competition in video games is for them not fun



Most men play games because they are fun too. They largely don't find games where you get your ass kicked 50% of the time as fun either. Seriously we post on TL, we are not normal gamers.


50% their ass kicked... hmmm... you mean the MMR of starcraft 2 do you no?


Yep referring to the SC2 Matchmaking.
sAxiS
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada10 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 20:08:59
April 08 2013 20:08 GMT
#112
Well now that this thread has turned into opinionated rage (Including one unnamed individual attacking and getting really offended over the discussion), I'll bring up a point that a female coworker here just made, she plays video games, but has no desire to play games that are difficult or not easily mastered because it's not her focus in life, she plays them socially or for fun. She also says women just don't find pleasure in getting good at things like that the way men do. She doesn't naturally find competition enjoyable. That's from a woman, not me.
Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
April 08 2013 20:08 GMT
#113
On April 09 2013 05:08 sAxiS wrote:
Well now that this thread has turned into opinionated rage, I'll bring up a point that a female coworker here just made, she plays video games, but has no desire to play games that are difficult or not easily mastered because it's not her focus in life, she plays them socially or for fun. She also says women just don't find pleasure in getting good at things like that the way men do. She doesn't naturally find competition enjoyable. That's from a woman, not me.


HA! What i said.
invisible tetris level master
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
April 08 2013 20:09 GMT
#114
On April 09 2013 05:05 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:55 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:44 ComaDose wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:41 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:33 Shodaa wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:23 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:20 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:19 75 wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:58 r.Evo wrote:
Please don't mindlessly add things to the OP to prove your point when it's not proving it at all.

Chess is another great example, Judit polgar is the only female GM to peak at above 2700 elo (2735), and is currently 2695 the highest ranked female chess player in the world. at this moment there are nearly 50 male GM's above 2700, the highest ranked being magnus carlson at 2868.


GM:
1380 total GMs, 1353 (98%) male, 27 female (2%).

IM:
3036total, IMs, 2953 male (97.3%), 83 female (2.7%)

Top 50: 49 male (98%), 1 female (2%)

...notice a pattern? There are just as many women in the top 50 as in the top 3000 if you look at percentages.



and why are only 2% of the top3000 female?

Because, I'm speculating since I can't find numbers on this, the overall chess playing population only has ~2% women. The only legitimate question you can ask in a thread like this is: "Why do so few women start playing SC2/chess?"

You need to understand that the two questions go hand in hand. You can't be so biased in your counter arguments.


On April 09 2013 04:23 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:17 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:12 Shinta) wrote:
Black people's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, black people can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with white people in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for white people to do, not black people.

It's as simple as white people being more adept at games than women due to an entire history of experience compared to 0 experience.

So is this what you would argue if we'd ask "Why are there so few black people playing SC2 at a competitive level?" - just to show you that your argument is nothing but sexist at its best.

Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!!

Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact.

Can you please provide a scientific source for the statement: "Women are worse at games than men because thanks to evolution their brains are worse at it"?

Try opening a history book and stop trolling the internet.


History is irrelevant. It's just show what gender role and expectation were.There's no proof there that women are biologically inferior than man in games. And I might add that this is kind of a sexist comment to make.


lol, to you and everyone else who thinks history is irrelevant. I hope you're able to catch on pretty soon on how wrong you are.
History is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world. "Scientific findings" are proven wrong by "scientific findings" every day of the year, while history remains stone. There is so much to be learned through history. Please open your eyes.

Everyone needs to realize though, there is give and take in everything. Every piece of scientific evidence, every page in a history book, every first hand experience a person has, has some aspects that can be applied generally and others that can't. Don't be so close minded to think that 1 article or 1 scientist has the complete answer to an issue at hand.
Expand your minds~!


sexist person who thinks history is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world tells me to open my mind.
theres something i can check off my forum scavenger hunt.

Hard to call me sexist when I'm one of the biggest supporters of females in eSports and sports in general.
Luway was my favorite player when she was most active, and I will always support Eve and Luway so long as they play this game.
Also long time fan of ColaGirl and MiSs.

I've always explained that women can and will become better at games, as they have with most other things. It's just a matter of time, but there are reasons they aren't yet, at this point in time.

So I repeat, stop being so close minded.

its not hard to call you sexist
Show nested quote +
Women's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, women can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with men in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for men to do, not women.

you're sexist

Good troll, here's a eTreat. nom nom yes, good troll.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
April 08 2013 20:09 GMT
#115
On April 09 2013 04:50 sAxiS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:47 lookfirewood wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:17 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:12 Shinta) wrote:
Black people's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, black people can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with white people in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for white people to do, not black people.

It's as simple as white people being more adept at games than women due to an entire history of experience compared to 0 experience.

So is this what you would argue if we'd ask "Why are there so few black people playing SC2 at a competitive level?" - just to show you that your argument is nothing but sexist at its best.

Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!!

Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact.

Edit: and sorry, but although there are parts of that copy/paste editing you did that are true, but that wouldn't be the valid argument used for obvious reasons.


Well, I'll have you know, by facts, that there are more than two genders.



The word gender was carefully NOT used in his statement. Thanks though.


It applies to sexes for that matter.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
Griffins
Profile Joined July 2012
United States98 Posts
April 08 2013 20:10 GMT
#116
On April 09 2013 04:55 polysciguy wrote:
according to a study in 2012 48% of game purchasers were female so by your logic nearly half the gm ladder should be women. I would believe that the culture of gaming and just the west in general is more geared toward male gamers than female, but that doesn't explain why the females who do play don't play as well as the male players.
http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2012.pdf


I highly doubt 47% of SC2 purchases were by females. The brochure you've provided has no game specific numbers.
On page 9 it lists games by units sold, but only competitive games were SC2 at 4th and Modern Warfare at 20th. The rest are mostly MMO's and Sims 3 expansion packs, some exceptions like Skyrim and Civilization V.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
April 08 2013 20:12 GMT
#117
On April 09 2013 05:09 Shinta) wrote:
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On April 09 2013 05:05 ComaDose wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:55 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:44 ComaDose wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:41 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:33 Shodaa wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:23 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:20 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:19 75 wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:58 r.Evo wrote:
Please don't mindlessly add things to the OP to prove your point when it's not proving it at all.

[quote]

GM:
1380 total GMs, 1353 (98%) male, 27 female (2%).

IM:
3036total, IMs, 2953 male (97.3%), 83 female (2.7%)

Top 50: 49 male (98%), 1 female (2%)

...notice a pattern? There are just as many women in the top 50 as in the top 3000 if you look at percentages.



and why are only 2% of the top3000 female?

Because, I'm speculating since I can't find numbers on this, the overall chess playing population only has ~2% women. The only legitimate question you can ask in a thread like this is: "Why do so few women start playing SC2/chess?"

You need to understand that the two questions go hand in hand. You can't be so biased in your counter arguments.


On April 09 2013 04:23 r.Evo wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote:
On April 09 2013 04:17 r.Evo wrote:
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So is this what you would argue if we'd ask "Why are there so few black people playing SC2 at a competitive level?" - just to show you that your argument is nothing but sexist at its best.

Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!!

Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact.

Can you please provide a scientific source for the statement: "Women are worse at games than men because thanks to evolution their brains are worse at it"?

Try opening a history book and stop trolling the internet.


History is irrelevant. It's just show what gender role and expectation were.There's no proof there that women are biologically inferior than man in games. And I might add that this is kind of a sexist comment to make.


lol, to you and everyone else who thinks history is irrelevant. I hope you're able to catch on pretty soon on how wrong you are.
History is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world. "Scientific findings" are proven wrong by "scientific findings" every day of the year, while history remains stone. There is so much to be learned through history. Please open your eyes.

Everyone needs to realize though, there is give and take in everything. Every piece of scientific evidence, every page in a history book, every first hand experience a person has, has some aspects that can be applied generally and others that can't. Don't be so close minded to think that 1 article or 1 scientist has the complete answer to an issue at hand.
Expand your minds~!


sexist person who thinks history is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world tells me to open my mind.
theres something i can check off my forum scavenger hunt.

Hard to call me sexist when I'm one of the biggest supporters of females in eSports and sports in general.
Luway was my favorite player when she was most active, and I will always support Eve and Luway so long as they play this game.
Also long time fan of ColaGirl and MiSs.

I've always explained that women can and will become better at games, as they have with most other things. It's just a matter of time, but there are reasons they aren't yet, at this point in time.

So I repeat, stop being so close minded.

its not hard to call you sexist
Women's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, women can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with men in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for men to do, not women.

you're sexist

Good troll, here's a eTreat. nom nom yes, good troll.

I dont think you understand.
Thinking women are a certain way becuase they are women is sexist... thats what you did... you are sexist.
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
April 08 2013 20:12 GMT
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On April 09 2013 05:10 Griffins wrote:
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On April 09 2013 04:55 polysciguy wrote:
according to a study in 2012 48% of game purchasers were female so by your logic nearly half the gm ladder should be women. I would believe that the culture of gaming and just the west in general is more geared toward male gamers than female, but that doesn't explain why the females who do play don't play as well as the male players.
http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2012.pdf


I highly doubt 47% of SC2 purchases were by females. The brochure you've provided has no game specific numbers.
On page 9 it lists games by units sold, but only competitive games were SC2 at 4th and Modern Warfare at 20th. The rest are mostly MMO's and Sims 3 expansion packs, some exceptions like Skyrim and Civilization V.


Also lets not forget that some of those females are moms buying for their sons
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MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
April 08 2013 20:13 GMT
#119
On April 09 2013 05:08 sAxiS wrote:
Well now that this thread has turned into opinionated rage (Including one unnamed individual attacking and getting really offended over the discussion), I'll bring up a point that a female coworker here just made, she plays video games, but has no desire to play games that are difficult or not easily mastered because it's not her focus in life, she plays them socially or for fun. She also says women just don't find pleasure in getting good at things like that the way men do. She doesn't naturally find competition enjoyable. That's from a woman, not me.


My brother told me the exact same thing. What's your point?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 08 2013 20:13 GMT
#120
On April 09 2013 05:10 Griffins wrote:
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On April 09 2013 04:55 polysciguy wrote:
according to a study in 2012 48% of game purchasers were female so by your logic nearly half the gm ladder should be women. I would believe that the culture of gaming and just the west in general is more geared toward male gamers than female, but that doesn't explain why the females who do play don't play as well as the male players.
http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2012.pdf


I highly doubt 47% of SC2 purchases were by females. The brochure you've provided has no game specific numbers.
On page 9 it lists games by units sold, but only competitive games were SC2 at 4th and Modern Warfare at 20th. The rest are mostly MMO's and Sims 3 expansion packs, some exceptions like Skyrim and Civilization V.

Games includes mobile games, the sims and anything that can be called a game. 47% of SC2 purchases were not women.
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