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On April 09 2013 05:29 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:24 Zaqwert wrote:On April 09 2013 05:20 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:18 Zaqwert wrote:
I'm amazed at the amount of people who have been brainwashed to believe that every single difference between the sexes is 100% a fake construct of society.
Yeah, little things like evolution, genetics, biology, brain chemistry all disagree.
Feel free to keep believing men and women are 100% identical except for the sex organs. how do they disagree? Men and women's brains function very differently on certain tasks. Evolution decided that humans would be better off if men and women were different in some ways, adapted naturally to certain tasks, it's one of hte major reasons there are two genders in the first place. There are asexual creatures, we could all be unisex worms but we aren't. The core reason for brain differences seems to occur in utero. There is a stage of development when male fetuses receive an extra blast of testosterone that female fetuses do not, this is believed to have subtle, but real, changes on the brain. So you believe someone that said a blast of testosterone in the uterus will have effects on the way someone thinks for their entire lives. And I do not. But I am brainwashed?
This really isn't a matter of belief or opinion, it's a matter of a field of science that is pretty unexplored, and incredibly difficult to explore even with our current technology.
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One could imagine conducting a study on the top SC2 players and their education background. I think it'd be within reason to imagine the result of that study showing that non-college graduates have had significantly more success at SC2 than college graduates. If that were the case, would it then be reasonable to state your belief that college graduates are inferior at playing strategic video games? Doubtful.
I only mean to point out by analogy that drawing conclusions from small amounts of information is a foolish endeavor.
I do think the question of "Why do so few X compared to Y play SC2?" would be a more a fundamental question to ask, though. I don't think this question is restricted to genders either.
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On April 09 2013 05:28 Zaqwert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:25 Shodaa wrote:On April 09 2013 05:18 Zaqwert wrote:
I'm amazed at the amount of people who have been brainwashed to believe that every single difference between the sexes is 100% a fake construct of society.
Yeah, little things like evolution, genetics, biology, brain chemistry all disagree.
Feel free to keep believing men and women are 100% identical except for the sex organs. Of course they are difference. Hormone, bone structure, etc. But how are those relevant in the ability of someone to play a computer game ? In case of physical sport, this is obvious, not so much in gaming. Gaming requires reflexes, decision making, visual spacial processing, all very important aspects of "real world" activities.
But the studies not prove that women are any worse at a give task, only different. There are studies out there that show women have better eye sight and higher pain tolerance. But this is on average across the population. It doesn't mean they are worse or lack the ability to play SC2 at the same level as men.
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On April 09 2013 05:29 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:24 Zaqwert wrote:On April 09 2013 05:20 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:18 Zaqwert wrote:
I'm amazed at the amount of people who have been brainwashed to believe that every single difference between the sexes is 100% a fake construct of society.
Yeah, little things like evolution, genetics, biology, brain chemistry all disagree.
Feel free to keep believing men and women are 100% identical except for the sex organs. how do they disagree? Men and women's brains function very differently on certain tasks. Evolution decided that humans would be better off if men and women were different in some ways, adapted naturally to certain tasks, it's one of hte major reasons there are two genders in the first place. There are asexual creatures, we could all be unisex worms but we aren't. The core reason for brain differences seems to occur in utero. There is a stage of development when male fetuses receive an extra blast of testosterone that female fetuses do not, this is believed to have subtle, but real, changes on the brain. So you believe someone that said a blast of testosterone in the uterus will have effects on the way someone thinks for their entire lives. And I do not. But I am brainwashed?
I'm sure all the people born with Down Syndrome will be happy to hear that how their brains were formed during early development will have no real world impact on how their brains will function for the rest of their lives.
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On April 09 2013 05:28 Zaqwert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:25 Shodaa wrote:On April 09 2013 05:18 Zaqwert wrote:
I'm amazed at the amount of people who have been brainwashed to believe that every single difference between the sexes is 100% a fake construct of society.
Yeah, little things like evolution, genetics, biology, brain chemistry all disagree.
Feel free to keep believing men and women are 100% identical except for the sex organs. Of course they are difference. Hormone, bone structure, etc. But how are those relevant in the ability of someone to play a computer game ? In case of physical sport, this is obvious, not so much in gaming. Gaming requires reflexes, decision making, visual spacial processing, all very important aspects of "real world" activities.
Are those really biological ? They could easily be learned skills.
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Better and worse are sociatal terms.
Science doesn't deal with better and worse.
Men and women are different.
There isn't better or worse, just different.
You're all being hyper sensative because you've been brainwashed by the PC police that if you don't contend men and women are identical you are some sort of chauvinist monster
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I know a girl named Sasochan who is really good at Starcraft and I love her.
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On April 09 2013 05:32 Zaqwert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:29 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:24 Zaqwert wrote:On April 09 2013 05:20 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:18 Zaqwert wrote:
I'm amazed at the amount of people who have been brainwashed to believe that every single difference between the sexes is 100% a fake construct of society.
Yeah, little things like evolution, genetics, biology, brain chemistry all disagree.
Feel free to keep believing men and women are 100% identical except for the sex organs. how do they disagree? Men and women's brains function very differently on certain tasks. Evolution decided that humans would be better off if men and women were different in some ways, adapted naturally to certain tasks, it's one of hte major reasons there are two genders in the first place. There are asexual creatures, we could all be unisex worms but we aren't. The core reason for brain differences seems to occur in utero. There is a stage of development when male fetuses receive an extra blast of testosterone that female fetuses do not, this is believed to have subtle, but real, changes on the brain. So you believe someone that said a blast of testosterone in the uterus will have effects on the way someone thinks for their entire lives. And I do not. But I am brainwashed? I'm sure all the people born with Down Syndrome will be happy to hear that how their brains were formed during early development will have no real world impact on how their brains will function for the rest of their lives.
I'm sorry you lost me. Were you trying to compare those things somehow and relate them to what we were talking about?
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On April 09 2013 05:32 Zaqwert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:29 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:24 Zaqwert wrote:On April 09 2013 05:20 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:18 Zaqwert wrote:
I'm amazed at the amount of people who have been brainwashed to believe that every single difference between the sexes is 100% a fake construct of society.
Yeah, little things like evolution, genetics, biology, brain chemistry all disagree.
Feel free to keep believing men and women are 100% identical except for the sex organs. how do they disagree? Men and women's brains function very differently on certain tasks. Evolution decided that humans would be better off if men and women were different in some ways, adapted naturally to certain tasks, it's one of hte major reasons there are two genders in the first place. There are asexual creatures, we could all be unisex worms but we aren't. The core reason for brain differences seems to occur in utero. There is a stage of development when male fetuses receive an extra blast of testosterone that female fetuses do not, this is believed to have subtle, but real, changes on the brain. So you believe someone that said a blast of testosterone in the uterus will have effects on the way someone thinks for their entire lives. And I do not. But I am brainwashed? I'm sure all the people born with Down Syndrome will be happy to hear that how their brains were formed during early development will have no real world impact on how their brains will function for the rest of their lives.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?
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Northern Ireland26777 Posts
Because they don't have to be good at what they do, especially if they're good looking.
This isn't so much a dig at the Starcraft community, but society in general. There is no logical reason that women cannot display the same chops in SC as men (indeed, supposedly they are inherently better at multitasking). I put it down to the fawning over girl gamers.
Any streamer starting up as a guy has to work his absolutely arse off, or develop some niche to get any viewers and get off the ground. A lot of girls can simply put on a webcam (if attractive), show terrible play, no content and still get some kind of following.
Women get put on a pedestal simply for being women in whatever field it is, it's pathetic. Sexism isn't just displayed by misogynistic comments, but also in compliments too.
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I mean, you could argue increased testosterone is better
you could argue lower levels are better
I mean women commit way less crime and violence too.
Better and worse are fake societal constructs. They are an interpretation or judgement of what evolution has done. Reality is what it is, without pro or con.
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On April 09 2013 05:29 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:24 Zaqwert wrote:On April 09 2013 05:20 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:18 Zaqwert wrote:
I'm amazed at the amount of people who have been brainwashed to believe that every single difference between the sexes is 100% a fake construct of society.
Yeah, little things like evolution, genetics, biology, brain chemistry all disagree.
Feel free to keep believing men and women are 100% identical except for the sex organs. how do they disagree? Men and women's brains function very differently on certain tasks. Evolution decided that humans would be better off if men and women were different in some ways, adapted naturally to certain tasks, it's one of hte major reasons there are two genders in the first place. There are asexual creatures, we could all be unisex worms but we aren't. The core reason for brain differences seems to occur in utero. There is a stage of development when male fetuses receive an extra blast of testosterone that female fetuses do not, this is believed to have subtle, but real, changes on the brain. So you believe someone that said a blast of testosterone in the uterus will have effects on the way someone thinks for their entire lives. And I do not. But I am brainwashed?
And I call you ignorant, I did study biologie before dropping out. But I can tell you yes these little differences EFFECT someone the rest of their entire life.
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On April 09 2013 05:34 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:32 Zaqwert wrote:On April 09 2013 05:29 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:24 Zaqwert wrote:On April 09 2013 05:20 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:18 Zaqwert wrote:
I'm amazed at the amount of people who have been brainwashed to believe that every single difference between the sexes is 100% a fake construct of society.
Yeah, little things like evolution, genetics, biology, brain chemistry all disagree.
Feel free to keep believing men and women are 100% identical except for the sex organs. how do they disagree? Men and women's brains function very differently on certain tasks. Evolution decided that humans would be better off if men and women were different in some ways, adapted naturally to certain tasks, it's one of hte major reasons there are two genders in the first place. There are asexual creatures, we could all be unisex worms but we aren't. The core reason for brain differences seems to occur in utero. There is a stage of development when male fetuses receive an extra blast of testosterone that female fetuses do not, this is believed to have subtle, but real, changes on the brain. So you believe someone that said a blast of testosterone in the uterus will have effects on the way someone thinks for their entire lives. And I do not. But I am brainwashed? I'm sure all the people born with Down Syndrome will be happy to hear that how their brains were formed during early development will have no real world impact on how their brains will function for the rest of their lives. I'm sorry you lost me. Were you trying to compare those things somehow and relate them to what we were talking about?
Are you trying to say that chemicals and hormone levels during the most developmental... Ok I'm done with forums for a while.
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On April 09 2013 05:36 Zaqwert wrote:
I mean, you could argue increased testosterone is better
you could argue lower levels are better
I mean women commit way less crime and violence too.
Better and worse are fake societal constructs. They are an interpretation or judgement of what evolution has done. Reality is what it is, without pro or con.
So you have no argument, you just want to come in there and point out that women are different than men, biologically? I feel safe is saying we all knew that and felt that those differences would have no noticeable effect on their ability to play SC2.
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On April 09 2013 05:35 Wombat_NI wrote:
Because they don't have to be good at what they do, especially if they're good looking.
This isn't so much a dig at the Starcraft community, but society in general. There is no logical reason that women cannot display the same chops in SC as men (indeed, supposedly they are inherently better at multitasking). I put it down to the fawning over girl gamers.
Any streamer starting up as a guy has to work his absolutely arse off, or develop some niche to get any viewers and get off the ground. A lot of girls can simply put on a webcam (if attractive), show terrible play, no content and still get some kind of following.
Women get put on a pedestal simply for being women in whatever field it is, it's pathetic. Sexism isn't just displayed by misogynistic comments, but also in compliments too.
This is so wrong.
They are put on a "pedestal" as you say because of lack of female in that particular field. Of course it's easier to become #1 girl streamer, because they are so few doing it. If there would be the same number of men and women trying to stream, this wouldn't happens.
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United States22883 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:26 Zaqwert wrote:Why sex matters for neuroscience"A rapidly burgeoning literature documents copious sex influences on brain anatomy, chemistry and function. This article highlights some of the more intriguing recent discoveries and their implications. Consideration of the effects of sex can help to explain seemingly contradictory findings. Research into sex influences is mandatory to fully understand a host of brain disorders with sex differences in their incidence and/or nature. The striking quantity and diversity of sex-related influences on brain function indicate that the still widespread assumption that sex influences are negligible cannot be justified, and probably retards progress in our field."
Did you actually read Cahill's article or are you join going to copy/paste an abstract? It's only like 6 pages, you should probably do it.
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Northern Ireland26777 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:39 Shodaa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:35 Wombat_NI wrote:
Because they don't have to be good at what they do, especially if they're good looking.
This isn't so much a dig at the Starcraft community, but society in general. There is no logical reason that women cannot display the same chops in SC as men (indeed, supposedly they are inherently better at multitasking). I put it down to the fawning over girl gamers.
Any streamer starting up as a guy has to work his absolutely arse off, or develop some niche to get any viewers and get off the ground. A lot of girls can simply put on a webcam (if attractive), show terrible play, no content and still get some kind of following.
Women get put on a pedestal simply for being women in whatever field it is, it's pathetic. Sexism isn't just displayed by misogynistic comments, but also in compliments too. This is so wrong. They are put on a "pedestal" as you say because of lack of female in that particular field. Of course it's easier to become #1 girl streamer, because they are so few doing it. If there would be the same number of men and women trying to stream, this wouldn't happens.
Go to the Lauren Elise fanclub and tell me I'm wrong.
There's a lack of black guys at the forefront of Starcraft, but people don't go around fawning over anyone from that ethnicity every time they do anything.
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On April 09 2013 05:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:36 Zaqwert wrote:
I mean, you could argue increased testosterone is better
you could argue lower levels are better
I mean women commit way less crime and violence too.
Better and worse are fake societal constructs. They are an interpretation or judgement of what evolution has done. Reality is what it is, without pro or con. So you have no argument, you just want to come in there and point out that women are different than men, biologically? I feel safe is saying we all knew that and felt that those differences would have no noticeable effect on their ability to play SC2.
Well until someone reputable does a properly controlled experiment it's all just speculation.
We have people denying the very existence of brain difference though.
I strongly suspect innate differences are at least partially responsible, for difference in men and women's gaming results. You tend to disagree, be it denying those difference exist or just thinking they have no impact.
There have been literally tens of thousands of studies on other things though that are clearly analogeous to SC2 or any other game or task.
Do a little research.
Science is a wondeful thing.
Lots of people here have clearly been brainwashed to believe that denying true, innate difference in the genders is someone a "bad" thing to do because it could be used for sexist purposes
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On April 09 2013 05:12 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:09 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 05:05 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 04:55 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:44 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 04:41 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:33 Shodaa wrote:On April 09 2013 04:23 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:20 r.Evo wrote:On April 09 2013 04:19 75 wrote:
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and why are only 2% of the top3000 female?
Because, I'm speculating since I can't find numbers on this, the overall chess playing population only has ~2% women. The only legitimate question you can ask in a thread like this is: "Why do so few women start playing SC2/chess?" You need to understand that the two questions go hand in hand. You can't be so biased in your counter arguments. On April 09 2013 04:23 r.Evo wrote:On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote:
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Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!!
Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact. Can you please provide a scientific source for the statement: "Women are worse at games than men because thanks to evolution their brains are worse at it"? Try opening a history book and stop trolling the internet. History is irrelevant. It's just show what gender role and expectation were.There's no proof there that women are biologically inferior than man in games. And I might add that this is kind of a sexist comment to make. lol, to you and everyone else who thinks history is irrelevant. I hope you're able to catch on pretty soon on how wrong you are. History is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world. "Scientific findings" are proven wrong by "scientific findings" every day of the year, while history remains stone. There is so much to be learned through history. Please open your eyes. Everyone needs to realize though, there is give and take in everything. Every piece of scientific evidence, every page in a history book, every first hand experience a person has, has some aspects that can be applied generally and others that can't. Don't be so close minded to think that 1 article or 1 scientist has the complete answer to an issue at hand. Expand your minds~! sexist person who thinks history is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world tells me to open my mind. theres something i can check off my forum scavenger hunt. Hard to call me sexist when I'm one of the biggest supporters of females in eSports and sports in general. Luway was my favorite player when she was most active, and I will always support Eve and Luway so long as they play this game. Also long time fan of ColaGirl and MiSs. I've always explained that women can and will become better at games, as they have with most other things. It's just a matter of time, but there are reasons they aren't yet, at this point in time. So I repeat, stop being so close minded. its not hard to call you sexist Women's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, women can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with men in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for men to do, not women. you're sexist Good troll, here's a eTreat. nom nom yes, good troll. I dont think you understand. Thinking women are a certain way becuase they are women is sexist... thats what you did... you are sexist.
Not at all. Discriminating against women because they are women is sexist.
IE. I can assume that a person who appears to be a woman probably has a vagina. That's not sexist.
If I don't let her into my establishment because she has a vagina, that's sexist.
If I call her an obscene name, or abuse her because she has a vagina, that's sexist.
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How to become a progamer as a male:
>work your ass off
>practice 15 hours a day
>sacrifice your life
>get picked up if you're lucky
How to become a progamer as a female:
>be in plat league
>have tits
>don''t be ugly
>at least start the game once in a while
Women are bad at any sport or anything competitive. They just can't for some reason. Well the reason is that they're inferior to men. At some point we just need to accept that there are mental differences between men and women that mean they have a natural disadvantage or they just don't have the drive since they've spent their entire lives having things handed to them because they've got a vagina.
No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them.
Ironically the greatest female StarCraft 2 progamer is a guy.
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