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United States22883 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:42 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:39 Shodaa wrote:On April 09 2013 05:35 Wombat_NI wrote:
Because they don't have to be good at what they do, especially if they're good looking.
This isn't so much a dig at the Starcraft community, but society in general. There is no logical reason that women cannot display the same chops in SC as men (indeed, supposedly they are inherently better at multitasking). I put it down to the fawning over girl gamers.
Any streamer starting up as a guy has to work his absolutely arse off, or develop some niche to get any viewers and get off the ground. A lot of girls can simply put on a webcam (if attractive), show terrible play, no content and still get some kind of following.
Women get put on a pedestal simply for being women in whatever field it is, it's pathetic. Sexism isn't just displayed by misogynistic comments, but also in compliments too. This is so wrong. They are put on a "pedestal" as you say because of lack of female in that particular field. Of course it's easier to become #1 girl streamer, because they are so few doing it. If there would be the same number of men and women trying to stream, this wouldn't happens. Go to the Lauren Elise fanclub and tell me I'm wrong. There's a lack of black guys at the forefront of Starcraft, but people don't go around fawning over anyone from that ethnicity every time they do anything. Being a female streamer in SC2 is a niche.
People get all uppity about pro gamers and even pro athletes, and they tend to forget that this all a show. It's part of the entertainment industry. Fans like narratives and being the odd one out is a great narrative.
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On April 09 2013 05:42 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:39 Shodaa wrote:On April 09 2013 05:35 Wombat_NI wrote:
Because they don't have to be good at what they do, especially if they're good looking.
This isn't so much a dig at the Starcraft community, but society in general. There is no logical reason that women cannot display the same chops in SC as men (indeed, supposedly they are inherently better at multitasking). I put it down to the fawning over girl gamers.
Any streamer starting up as a guy has to work his absolutely arse off, or develop some niche to get any viewers and get off the ground. A lot of girls can simply put on a webcam (if attractive), show terrible play, no content and still get some kind of following.
Women get put on a pedestal simply for being women in whatever field it is, it's pathetic. Sexism isn't just displayed by misogynistic comments, but also in compliments too. This is so wrong. They are put on a "pedestal" as you say because of lack of female in that particular field. Of course it's easier to become #1 girl streamer, because they are so few doing it. If there would be the same number of men and women trying to stream, this wouldn't happens. Go to the Lauren Elise fanclub and tell me I'm wrong. There's a lack of black guys at the forefront of Starcraft, but people don't go around fawning over anyone from that ethnicity every time they do anything.
Well Lauren Elise is not really a professional gamer and more of a media personality. That isn't a very good example, since she never makes any attempt to claim she is talented in the topic we are discussing.
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On April 09 2013 05:36 PanzerElite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:29 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:24 Zaqwert wrote:On April 09 2013 05:20 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:18 Zaqwert wrote:
I'm amazed at the amount of people who have been brainwashed to believe that every single difference between the sexes is 100% a fake construct of society.
Yeah, little things like evolution, genetics, biology, brain chemistry all disagree.
Feel free to keep believing men and women are 100% identical except for the sex organs. how do they disagree? Men and women's brains function very differently on certain tasks. Evolution decided that humans would be better off if men and women were different in some ways, adapted naturally to certain tasks, it's one of hte major reasons there are two genders in the first place. There are asexual creatures, we could all be unisex worms but we aren't. The core reason for brain differences seems to occur in utero. There is a stage of development when male fetuses receive an extra blast of testosterone that female fetuses do not, this is believed to have subtle, but real, changes on the brain. So you believe someone that said a blast of testosterone in the uterus will have effects on the way someone thinks for their entire lives. And I do not. But I am brainwashed? And I call you ignorant, I did study biologie before dropping out. But I can tell you yes these little differences EFFECT someone the rest of their entire life.
"biologie" lol i hope you didnt switch to english
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On April 09 2013 05:44 NaNiwaFan1998 wrote:
How to become a progamer as a male:
>work your ass off
>practice 15 hours a day
>sacrifice your life
>get picked up if you're lucky
How to become a progamer as a female:
>be in plat league
>have tits
>don''t be ugly
>at least start the game once in a while
Women are bad at any sport or anything competitive. They just can't for some reason. Well the reason is that they're inferior to men. At some point we just need to accept that there are mental differences between men and women that mean they have a natural disadvantage or they just don't have the drive since they've spent their entire lives having things handed to them because they've got a vagina.
No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them.
Ironically the greatest female StarCraft 2 progamer is a guy.
Based NaNiwaFan1998
+ Show Spoiler +have fun in banned camp :3
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"the only woman most even consider to be a top player is scarlett, who was born male"
what??
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I'm done with this thread, certain people have clearly made judgements without looking at data
"Men and women are exactly the same! Anyone who disagrees is a big meanie sexist!"
"The scientific data says there are differences, specifially...."
"BOOO! Sexism! Boo!"
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Northern Ireland24512 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:45 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:42 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 09 2013 05:39 Shodaa wrote:On April 09 2013 05:35 Wombat_NI wrote:
Because they don't have to be good at what they do, especially if they're good looking.
This isn't so much a dig at the Starcraft community, but society in general. There is no logical reason that women cannot display the same chops in SC as men (indeed, supposedly they are inherently better at multitasking). I put it down to the fawning over girl gamers.
Any streamer starting up as a guy has to work his absolutely arse off, or develop some niche to get any viewers and get off the ground. A lot of girls can simply put on a webcam (if attractive), show terrible play, no content and still get some kind of following.
Women get put on a pedestal simply for being women in whatever field it is, it's pathetic. Sexism isn't just displayed by misogynistic comments, but also in compliments too. This is so wrong. They are put on a "pedestal" as you say because of lack of female in that particular field. Of course it's easier to become #1 girl streamer, because they are so few doing it. If there would be the same number of men and women trying to stream, this wouldn't happens. Go to the Lauren Elise fanclub and tell me I'm wrong. There's a lack of black guys at the forefront of Starcraft, but people don't go around fawning over anyone from that ethnicity every time they do anything. Well Lauren Elise is not really a professional gamer and more of a media personality. That isn't a very good example, since she never makes any attempt to claim she is talented in the topic we are discussing.
But yet has a profile over and above what her talents, on their own would merit. Streaming isn't a good example, because good stream numbers don't correlate to playing ability. I retract that as a bit irrelevant. You're right.
There's no coincidence in my mind that Scarlett developed as she did because she was cocooned away from over-hyping and worked solely on her game for ages and ages before entering the public eye.
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On April 09 2013 05:44 TheDougler wrote:
IE. I can assume that a person who appears to be a woman probably has a vagina. That's not sexist.
yes it is.
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On April 09 2013 05:44 NaNiwaFan1998 wrote:
How to become a progamer as a male:
>work your ass off
>practice 15 hours a day
>sacrifice your life
>get picked up if you're lucky
How to become a progamer as a female:
>be in plat league
>have tits
>don''t be ugly
>at least start the game once in a while
Women are bad at any sport or anything competitive. They just can't for some reason. Well the reason is that they're inferior to men. At some point we just need to accept that there are mental differences between men and women that mean they have a natural disadvantage or they just don't have the drive since they've spent their entire lives having things handed to them because they've got a vagina.
No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them.
Ironically the greatest female StarCraft 2 progamer is a guy.
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My sides weren't ready for this one.
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I think its as simple as there are by far more males playing sc2 than females playing it.
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On April 09 2013 05:44 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:12 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:09 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 05:05 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 04:55 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:44 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 04:41 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:33 Shodaa wrote:On April 09 2013 04:23 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:20 r.Evo wrote:
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Because, I'm speculating since I can't find numbers on this, the overall chess playing population only has ~2% women. The only legitimate question you can ask in a thread like this is: "Why do so few women start playing SC2/chess?" You need to understand that the two questions go hand in hand. You can't be so biased in your counter arguments. On April 09 2013 04:23 r.Evo wrote:
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Can you please provide a scientific source for the statement: "Women are worse at games than men because thanks to evolution their brains are worse at it"? Try opening a history book and stop trolling the internet. History is irrelevant. It's just show what gender role and expectation were.There's no proof there that women are biologically inferior than man in games. And I might add that this is kind of a sexist comment to make. lol, to you and everyone else who thinks history is irrelevant. I hope you're able to catch on pretty soon on how wrong you are. History is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world. "Scientific findings" are proven wrong by "scientific findings" every day of the year, while history remains stone. There is so much to be learned through history. Please open your eyes. Everyone needs to realize though, there is give and take in everything. Every piece of scientific evidence, every page in a history book, every first hand experience a person has, has some aspects that can be applied generally and others that can't. Don't be so close minded to think that 1 article or 1 scientist has the complete answer to an issue at hand. Expand your minds~! sexist person who thinks history is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world tells me to open my mind. theres something i can check off my forum scavenger hunt. Hard to call me sexist when I'm one of the biggest supporters of females in eSports and sports in general. Luway was my favorite player when she was most active, and I will always support Eve and Luway so long as they play this game. Also long time fan of ColaGirl and MiSs. I've always explained that women can and will become better at games, as they have with most other things. It's just a matter of time, but there are reasons they aren't yet, at this point in time. So I repeat, stop being so close minded. its not hard to call you sexist Women's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, women can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with men in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for men to do, not women. you're sexist Good troll, here's a eTreat. nom nom yes, good troll. I dont think you understand. Thinking women are a certain way becuase they are women is sexist... thats what you did... you are sexist. Not at all. Discriminating against women because they are women is sexist. IE. I can assume that a person who appears to be a woman probably has a vagina. That's not sexist. If I don't let her into my establishment because she has a vagina, that's sexist. If I call her an obscene name, or abuse her because she has a vagina, that's sexist.
It is not only discrimination but also prejudice.
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On April 09 2013 05:44 NaNiwaFan1998 wrote:
How to become a progamer as a male:
>work your ass off
>practice 15 hours a day
>sacrifice your life
>get picked up if you're lucky
How to become a progamer as a female:
>be in plat league
>have tits
>don''t be ugly
>at least start the game once in a while
Women are bad at any sport or anything competitive. They just can't for some reason. Well the reason is that they're inferior to men. At some point we just need to accept that there are mental differences between men and women that mean they have a natural disadvantage or they just don't have the drive since they've spent their entire lives having things handed to them because they've got a vagina.
No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them.
Ironically the greatest female StarCraft 2 progamer is a guy.
User was banned for this post.
So much stupidity in one post... this account didn't last long i guess
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United States22883 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:47 Zaqwert wrote:
I'm done with this thread, certain people have clearly made judgements without looking at data
"Men and women are exactly the same! Anyone who disagrees is a big meanie sexist!"
"The scientific data says there are differences, specifially...."
"BOOO! Sexism! Boo!"
People who claim there are no differences are wrong.
You making assertions about human function based on preliminary brain research on rats (which isn't testing for what you're claiming) and heroin addicts is also wrong. We don't know exactly what all the differences are nor how they're represented (including how strongly they're represented) in adult humans.
There are many different types of scientific studies and the ones in that review are not the ones to support the claims you began making. The review is saying, "Hey! We should look into this!" You're saying, "This proves ____, ______ and ______."
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On April 09 2013 05:47 Zaqwert wrote:
I'm done with this thread, certain people have clearly made judgements without looking at data
"Men and women are exactly the same! Anyone who disagrees is a big meanie sexist!"
"The scientific data says there are differences, specifially...."
"BOOO! Sexism! Boo!"
You put forth an argument with poor data that was not 100% on point and then failed to back up that argument in any way. Providing us with a study saying that development of men and women is different and effects their path through life. No one disagreed, but pointed out that it did not prove that they could not compete with men in SC2.
Its not our fault that your argument sucked.
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On April 09 2013 05:44 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:12 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 05:09 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 05:05 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 04:55 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:44 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 04:41 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:33 Shodaa wrote:On April 09 2013 04:23 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:20 r.Evo wrote:
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Because, I'm speculating since I can't find numbers on this, the overall chess playing population only has ~2% women. The only legitimate question you can ask in a thread like this is: "Why do so few women start playing SC2/chess?" You need to understand that the two questions go hand in hand. You can't be so biased in your counter arguments. On April 09 2013 04:23 r.Evo wrote:
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Can you please provide a scientific source for the statement: "Women are worse at games than men because thanks to evolution their brains are worse at it"? Try opening a history book and stop trolling the internet. History is irrelevant. It's just show what gender role and expectation were.There's no proof there that women are biologically inferior than man in games. And I might add that this is kind of a sexist comment to make. lol, to you and everyone else who thinks history is irrelevant. I hope you're able to catch on pretty soon on how wrong you are. History is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world. "Scientific findings" are proven wrong by "scientific findings" every day of the year, while history remains stone. There is so much to be learned through history. Please open your eyes. Everyone needs to realize though, there is give and take in everything. Every piece of scientific evidence, every page in a history book, every first hand experience a person has, has some aspects that can be applied generally and others that can't. Don't be so close minded to think that 1 article or 1 scientist has the complete answer to an issue at hand. Expand your minds~! sexist person who thinks history is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world tells me to open my mind. theres something i can check off my forum scavenger hunt. Hard to call me sexist when I'm one of the biggest supporters of females in eSports and sports in general. Luway was my favorite player when she was most active, and I will always support Eve and Luway so long as they play this game. Also long time fan of ColaGirl and MiSs. I've always explained that women can and will become better at games, as they have with most other things. It's just a matter of time, but there are reasons they aren't yet, at this point in time. So I repeat, stop being so close minded. its not hard to call you sexist Women's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, women can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with men in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for men to do, not women. you're sexist Good troll, here's a eTreat. nom nom yes, good troll. I dont think you understand. Thinking women are a certain way becuase they are women is sexist... thats what you did... you are sexist. Not at all. Discriminating against women because they are women is sexist. IE. I can assume that a person who appears to be a woman probably has a vagina. That's not sexist. If I don't let her into my establishment because she has a vagina, that's sexist. If I call her an obscene name, or abuse her because she has a vagina, that's sexist.
there are some circumstances where having a vagina and breasts is the exact reason they are removed from situations, and it is not sexist. prison guards in all-male prisons comes immediately to mind. banal point i know.
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On April 09 2013 05:44 NaNiwaFan1998 wrote:
How to become a progamer as a male:
>work your ass off
>practice 15 hours a day
>sacrifice your life
>get picked up if you're lucky
How to become a progamer as a female:
>be in plat league
>have tits
>don''t be ugly
>at least start the game once in a while
Women are bad at any sport or anything competitive. They just can't for some reason. Well the reason is that they're inferior to men. At some point we just need to accept that there are mental differences between men and women that mean they have a natural disadvantage or they just don't have the drive since they've spent their entire lives having things handed to them because they've got a vagina.
No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them.
Ironically the greatest female StarCraft 2 progamer is a guy.
As a guy, you're competing against ten thousands of other players.
As a girl, you're competing against a few hundred at most for the top spot.
Scarlett is a trans woman. It is believed that trans have brain that resemble their gender identity (Source). She also most likely has undergone hormone therapy, which means she has a very low level of testosterone and higher level of estrogen, yet she keeps getting better.
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Northern Ireland24512 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:53 Shodaa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:44 NaNiwaFan1998 wrote:
How to become a progamer as a male:
>work your ass off
>practice 15 hours a day
>sacrifice your life
>get picked up if you're lucky
How to become a progamer as a female:
>be in plat league
>have tits
>don''t be ugly
>at least start the game once in a while
Women are bad at any sport or anything competitive. They just can't for some reason. Well the reason is that they're inferior to men. At some point we just need to accept that there are mental differences between men and women that mean they have a natural disadvantage or they just don't have the drive since they've spent their entire lives having things handed to them because they've got a vagina.
No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them.
Ironically the greatest female StarCraft 2 progamer is a guy. As a guy, you're competing against ten thousands of other players. As a girl, you're competing against a few hundred at most for the top spot.Scarlett is a trans woman. It is believed that trans have brain that resemble their gender identity ( Source). She also most likely has undergone hormone therapy, which means she has a very low level of testosterone and higher level of estrogen, yet she keeps getting better.
Why though? Females should be competing with males in Starcraft. There is no reason that certain competitive activities that aren't as effected by physiological differences between the sexes should be segregated.
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United States22883 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:55 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:53 Shodaa wrote:On April 09 2013 05:44 NaNiwaFan1998 wrote:
How to become a progamer as a male:
>work your ass off
>practice 15 hours a day
>sacrifice your life
>get picked up if you're lucky
How to become a progamer as a female:
>be in plat league
>have tits
>don''t be ugly
>at least start the game once in a while
Women are bad at any sport or anything competitive. They just can't for some reason. Well the reason is that they're inferior to men. At some point we just need to accept that there are mental differences between men and women that mean they have a natural disadvantage or they just don't have the drive since they've spent their entire lives having things handed to them because they've got a vagina.
No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them.
Ironically the greatest female StarCraft 2 progamer is a guy. As a guy, you're competing against ten thousands of other players. As a girl, you're competing against a few hundred at most for the top spot.Scarlett is a trans woman. It is believed that trans have brain that resemble their gender identity ( Source). She also most likely has undergone hormone therapy, which means she has a very low level of testosterone and higher level of estrogen, yet she keeps getting better. Why though? Females should be competing with males in Starcraft. There is no reason that certain competitive activities that aren't as effected by physiological differences between the sexes should be segregated. For the same reason you want a strong Irish SC scene, and you probably don't let Swedes and Koreans enter your tournaments.
Finding the best player in the world isn't the goal of every tournament.
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On April 09 2013 05:12 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:09 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 05:05 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 04:55 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:44 ComaDose wrote:On April 09 2013 04:41 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:33 Shodaa wrote:On April 09 2013 04:23 Shinta) wrote:On April 09 2013 04:20 r.Evo wrote:On April 09 2013 04:19 75 wrote:
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and why are only 2% of the top3000 female?
Because, I'm speculating since I can't find numbers on this, the overall chess playing population only has ~2% women. The only legitimate question you can ask in a thread like this is: "Why do so few women start playing SC2/chess?" You need to understand that the two questions go hand in hand. You can't be so biased in your counter arguments. On April 09 2013 04:23 r.Evo wrote:On April 09 2013 04:19 Shinta) wrote:
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Sexist at best.... Don't you know that human bodiest are sexist? Some are male and some are female, how sexist!!!!
Sorry, but facts are facts. The fact that you feel facts to be offensive is another helpless fact. Can you please provide a scientific source for the statement: "Women are worse at games than men because thanks to evolution their brains are worse at it"? Try opening a history book and stop trolling the internet. History is irrelevant. It's just show what gender role and expectation were.There's no proof there that women are biologically inferior than man in games. And I might add that this is kind of a sexist comment to make. lol, to you and everyone else who thinks history is irrelevant. I hope you're able to catch on pretty soon on how wrong you are. History is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world. "Scientific findings" are proven wrong by "scientific findings" every day of the year, while history remains stone. There is so much to be learned through history. Please open your eyes. Everyone needs to realize though, there is give and take in everything. Every piece of scientific evidence, every page in a history book, every first hand experience a person has, has some aspects that can be applied generally and others that can't. Don't be so close minded to think that 1 article or 1 scientist has the complete answer to an issue at hand. Expand your minds~! sexist person who thinks history is one of the most clear pieces of evidence in the world tells me to open my mind. theres something i can check off my forum scavenger hunt. Hard to call me sexist when I'm one of the biggest supporters of females in eSports and sports in general. Luway was my favorite player when she was most active, and I will always support Eve and Luway so long as they play this game. Also long time fan of ColaGirl and MiSs. I've always explained that women can and will become better at games, as they have with most other things. It's just a matter of time, but there are reasons they aren't yet, at this point in time. So I repeat, stop being so close minded. its not hard to call you sexist Women's bodies and brains both work differently than those of men. Over time, women can, and are developing the ability and motivation to compete with men in games, but as history has dictated, games are something for men to do, not women. you're sexist Good troll, here's a eTreat. nom nom yes, good troll. I dont think you understand. Thinking women are a certain way becuase they are women is sexist... thats what you did... you are sexist.
I don't think you understand. It's not because they are women, it's because women lived and developed a certain way. The reason as to why you can't understand that is beyond me.
They are living and developing much differently now, and are thus developing the ability, and some will say have already developed the ability, but that hasn't been proven much in historical terms, to do things such as play SC2 at a competitive level.
You can't read, thus you're no longer worth having a discussion with.
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