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kennyf
United Kingdom54 Posts
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Treehead
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:14 kennyf wrote: Girls usually don't like that cosmos and universe stuff. Look at Dota/LoL or other genres like FPS. You will have a lot more women playing at high level there because of what girls like. Boys love spaceships when they're young. Pew pew etc Somehow, I can't help but feel that this line of thinking is flawed when I compare it to the My Little Pony thread. Just sayin'. :/ | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Its not only sc man, women cant play soccer, american football,tennis, golf ,pool ,chess or poker either.(and not only due to having weaker physics) It seems to be universal within the female genes,women are bad in male invented sports. Maybe they just dont like games with clearly defined rules lol. (and poster below is right, it is also a matter of numbers though i think there are more isues at hand tbh.) | ||
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Swift118
United Kingdom335 Posts
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Laekoth
United States45 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:09 RolleMcKnolle wrote: people so often seem to forget her. she just won against mvp... And people seem to forget Scarlett is male. User was warned for this post | ||
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:07 r.Evo wrote: Simple answer: Statistics. There are much more male than female players both in chess and SC. http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/12/23/why-are-there-so-few-female-chess-grandmasters/ Edit: Jesus. Guys. Women are "less dedicated than men" or "want to spend less time getting good"? I expected more from you. =/ interestign article but thats just my point, participation, if there are female player playing ladder and online tounaments, they are playing people as good, according the the MMR, as they are meaning as they get better, they should be playing better players and thereby getting better themselves....etc, until they reach a high level. And even then that article still can't seem to account for the disparity of the level of skill of those who make it to the highest level. im not asking why are there so few, im asking why there are NONE. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
young women are told video games are for boys and that the super nerds are all boys in the case where a potential progammer must spend significant amount of time practicing, this behaviour is fround upon more when regarding young women additionally people believe and propogate biotruthes regarding inherate gaming abilities, further demoralizing and segregating women trying to participate at the highest level | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Even if at later age they actively decide to rebel against that, the roots are already there from ages they don't even remember. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:19 polysciguy wrote: interestign article but thats just my point, participation, if there are female player playing ladder and online tounaments, they are playing people as good, according the the MMR, as they are meaning as they get better, they should be playing better players and thereby getting better themselves....etc, until they reach a high level. And even then that article still can't seem to account for the disparity of the level of skill of those who make it to the highest level. im not asking why are there so few, im asking why there are NONE. Because math. Random mathjerkoff: 5million sales. 50 (?) pros people would be able to instantly name without looking it up. That means 1/100000 players gets recognized. Which also means you need 100000 women to buy the game for every single female player that will come to mind. Unless you have data which says "We have xyz total females playing SC2 and qwe total males playing SC2" we can only speculate. This type of data is around for chess and explains everything with "well, it boils down to statistics" just fine. Edit: The article above explains how 96% of the skill disparity between women and men can be explained by statistics. 4% difference boils down to all other factors combined. This is where culture, gender roles, having kids and all those random arguments that have been raised so far come into play. Edit 2: Now the question why those things are dominated by males is a completely different question. If you trust statistics it is however not an issue of ability (unless you assume the total playing population is lower because the majority of women is too stupid for those things. I'm just hoping we're past that.) | ||
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ZombieGrub
United States714 Posts
Maybe I'm biased, but I see it as simply a difference in how society treats us and what it encourages us to do. Unless you believe women just can never be on the level of men thanks to biology or something, which I don't think you are trying to say or even imply, yet many of the posters for this thread will. Also, I like the post above me, although it might not tell my story (my parents always encouraged me to be competitive and break stereotypes, playing football, rugby, etc), it tells the story of a lot of women: On April 09 2013 03:26 figq wrote: Similarly to why Koreans are better than foreigners - culture. We live in a culture that from birth treats women as non-competitive and men as competitive, so it gets in their brains in more ways than we could even analyze rigorously. Even if at later age they actively decide to rebel against that, the roots are already there from ages they don't even remember. | ||
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:28 r.Evo wrote: Because math. Random mathjerkoff: 5million sales. 50 (?) pros people would be able to instantly name without looking it up. That means 1/100000 players gets recognized. Which also means you need 100000 women to buy the game for every single female player that will come to mind. Unless you have data which says "We have xyz total females playing SC2 and qwe total males playing SC2" we can only speculate. This type of data is around for chess and explains everything with "well, it boils down to statistics" just fine. yes, you are talking about recognition, but just because you can name those 50 doesn't mean they are the best, and look at some of those players you hadn't heard about that come through and tear everything up. im not talking about recognition, im talking about skill ranking, even in chess the best women in the world, compete at a lower level than the best men, why is that? | ||
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Ambre
France416 Posts
you should ask : Why are woman so underrepresented everywhere in our society Why do they make earn 20% less money when similarly skilled Why girls are doing better in school, but then are underrepresented when it comes to certain disciplines Why is there companies that makes a business out of making believe that woman are stupid (women's magazines) There, you have your answers^^ | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:33 polysciguy wrote: yes, you are talking about recognition, but just because you can name those 50 doesn't mean they are the best, and look at some of those players you hadn't heard about that come through and tear everything up. im not talking about recognition, im talking about skill ranking, even in chess the best women in the world, compete at a lower level than the best men, why is that? Oh really? - kicking Kasparovs ass since her 18th birthday. | ||
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nucLeaRTV
Romania822 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:19 Laekoth wrote: And people seem to forget Scarlett is male. User was warned for this post I'm pretty sure his posts wanted to highlight the fact that women and men brains work slightly different (1). Biologically speaking her brain functions in a different way and since SC2 is a mostly male game (2), she is a top-tier player (3) and (1), he might've wanted to say that she shouldn't be considered a perfectly valid example. | ||
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Griffins
United States98 Posts
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dsjoerg
United States384 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:26 figq wrote: Similarly to why Koreans are better than foreigners - culture. We live in a culture that from birth treats women as non-competitive and men as competitive, so it gets in their brains in more ways than we could even analyze rigorously. Even if at later age they actively decide to rebel against that, the roots are already there from ages they don't even remember. This. The parallels are strong. Let's say 1 in 10,000 people who try Starcraft can be Pros. So how many guys have tried Starcraft, and how many girls? Add in cultural bias against girls doing anything bizarre and you're pretty much there. | ||
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askmc70
United States722 Posts
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
Some of the posters in this thread also proving the point. | ||
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