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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
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arkedos
Germany1426 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:13 Xarell wrote: Studies taken with a group of man and women playing some kind of go-like game in an MRI has shown, that the male brains pleasure center was more active when successful and therefore making it easier to learn an effective strategy. yeah I would be also quite interested in some sort of source. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:46 sabas123 wrote: the amount of woman who fully dedicate to something with insane work hours compared what the male do is verry slim most of the time. This is perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum. And that's saying something. | ||
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wswas
16 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:42 askmc70 wrote: why does this shit always have to be brought up? Because people post stuff and then we have the same discussion over and over and over, the search button is never used. It always starts with a man, a light house and a city...wait, I mean....A poster, a forum and a previously discussed topic. The outcome is always the same. The topic is discussed, idiots are banned and then it falls down the list of threads. Then the cycle begins anew. | ||
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
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sAxiS
Canada10 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:47 vesicular wrote: This is perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum. And that's saying something. It's a more ruthless version of what I said, but based on personal experience this is a truth. I think he should have worded it to say that women are less likely to fully dedicated to most male dedicated hobbies, as it is deemed a worthless skill to them. Women are plenty dedicated, but conditioned to be dedicated in other aspects of life. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:47 vesicular wrote: This is perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum. And that's saying something. Seriously... I am sitting in an office right now where most of the management is female and they are working harder than their male counterparts... and they are in front of a computer all day also. Some of them have pretty high Microsoft excel APM too. I am looking into the nipples of the future, I see this thread closed | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:47 vesicular wrote: This is perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum. And that's saying something. How is that a dumb thing? His statement does not same unlikely to me at all and might be 1 of the reasons behind this perceived underperformance of women in male sports/games. It is one of the smarter statements in this thread actually. | ||
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ne0lith
537 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:09 RolleMcKnolle wrote: people so often seem to forget her. she just won against mvp... The problem with Scarlett is that you can't even mention in a completely inoffensive why she isn't a completely valid example without getting at least a warning. Regarding the topic, there's not much to say besides the obvious reason: there aren't nearly as many women trying to go pro as there are men, so the chances of that happening are way lower. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:50 Rassy wrote: How is that a dumb thing? His statement does not same unlikely to me at all and might be 1 of the reasons behind this perceived underperformance of women in male sports/games. It is one of the smarter statements in this thread actually. The generalization that women can't fully dedicate to anything with insane work hours is asinine. Ever carry a pregnancy for 9 months and raise a child? None of you would even exist if it wasn't for a woman fully dedicating herself to something. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
So if a women is even with you, if she would be a male she would stomp you. I am not sure if education will ever be dedicated to increase the womens competitive levels, but it would probably mean they lose any interest in raising a family. Which would be pretty bad if it would be norm. I myself have no intention to compete, but I enjoy problem solving. And games against players create interesting problems. + Gamergirl, it was probably a bad idea to give me a computer without time restriction at the age of 4. But those threads are old and it won't change in a few years, so just use the search function lol. | ||
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thezanursic
5478 Posts
On April 09 2013 02:58 LuisFrost wrote: I think most are just not interested. Your chess example shows that if they want to get into it they can, they just don't seem to care. Gender roles. Some of them would care if there wasn't such a stigma around gaming especially female gamers. Women are raised to act in a certain way and men are raised and treated in a different way which results in less females playing video games. | ||
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lcms
Netherlands27 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:50 Rassy wrote: How is that a dumb thing? His statement does not same unlikely to me at all and might be 1 of the reasons behind this perceived underperformance of women in male sports/games. It is one of the smarter statements in this thread actually. No, its pretty stupid. It takes a limited sample set(if you can call it that), removes social issues, history, infrastructure and other data, and then draws a grand conclusion. He also provides not information to back up his claim, while there is nearly infinite information that contradicts his statement. It has everything that defines an uninformed, stupid statement. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
Chess is another great example, Judit polgar is the only female GM to peak at above 2700 elo (2735), and is currently 2695 the highest ranked female chess player in the world. at this moment there are nearly 50 male GM's above 2700, the highest ranked being magnus carlson at 2868. GM: 1380 total GMs, 1353 (98%) male, 27 female (2%). IM: 3036total, IMs, 2953 male (97.3%), 83 female (2.7%) Top 50: 49 male (98%), 1 female (2%) ...notice a pattern? There are just as many women in the top 50 as in the top 3000 if you look at percentages. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
The reason there aren't any female players truly at the top of the SC2 food chain, so to speak, is hard to determine. But there's no legitimate conclusion we can draw from this, simply because there are far too few female players actually dedicated to the game, and even female players in general. It's really that simple. Uncertainty due to insignificant sample size. Whether you accept this or not, that's your decision to deal with. On to the point that follows naturally. Why are there so few female players in StarCraft 2, and in hardcore gaming in general? It's very simple. Social stigma. Offline, in most social contexts in the western world, if a girl admits to being a hardcore gamer, she will most likely be berated and outcast by her fellow circle of friends and possibly even family, this is not considered a normal or respectable activity for a girl. There are obvious underlying issues here in terms of preconceptions, stereotypes and all that. So then what does the internet community offer? Griefers that also berate her, believing every girl gamer is just a poser whoring for attention, creepy stalkers that would probably meticulously assassinate people just to get to touch her, but probably worst of all tons of trolls. The internet is good at trolling, who'd've thunk it. So that's one facet of it. Then you ask, "but gaming is getting more and more popular, how can the answer be that gaming is shunned?" Easy. Gaming is indeed becoming more and more popular, hardcore gaming however isn't. In an attempt to shatter the stereotype of the repulsive basement-dwelling WoW nerd, as well as for their own profit and interest, companies have indeed made games far more accessible. At the same time, they've diluted their product by a massive margin, leading to a big portion of the market being dominated by games that we would consider casual. You needn't look past mobile games or facebook-based games, but if you must, there's obviously the newer Call of Duty games and the lot. Even games such as League of Legends, Team Fortress 2 and Minecraft, despite their depth, are only popular because they are so very accessible and satisfying for the casual gamer, only the more hardcore players getting to explore said depth. So it's really that they're almost entirely discouraged from pursuing such a past time as hardcore gaming, be it StarCraft 2 or Counter-Strike or what have you. I could go even further into the social and psychological factors, but I think this is satisfactory for now. | ||
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JackDT
724 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:19 polysciguy wrote: interestign article but thats just my point, participation, if there are female player playing ladder and online tounaments, they are playing people as good, according the the MMR, as they are meaning as they get better, they should be playing better players and thereby getting better themselves....etc, until they reach a high level. And even then that article still can't seem to account for the disparity of the level of skill of those who make it to the highest level. im not asking why are there so few, im asking why there are NONE. Ugh.... the article you are responding to addresses this exactly. Did you read it? It directly accounts for the disparity in the skill, saying it is almost exactly the distribution you would expect based purely on the number of women who play chess. http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/276/1659/1161.full.pdf#page=1&view=FitH | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:45 TheFish7 wrote: What about Tossgirl from BW? Not going to lie. She wasn't very good yet she didn't have any competition between the women they put her up against. This is what happens when you have a very small player pool. | ||
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