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Gere
Germany55 Posts
I don't play often enough to memorize too many details (builds, strategies, hotkeys, ...) and I don't expect to do more than 40 APM. Which race do you think would be easiest to keep up a good ladder placement? (and why? [micro, injects, macro, decision making, ...]) Or to put it in another way: If you had 3 beginners playing *casually* T, Z and P respectively, who would you bet your money on to be most successful in ladder placement after a while? | ||
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DwarfTherapist
United States48 Posts
fewer units more aoe more long range. | ||
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Domsaleo
United States3 Posts
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TOCHMY
Sweden1692 Posts
"Or to put it in another way: If you had 3 beginners playing *casually* T, Z and P respectively, who would you bet your money on to be most successful in ladder placement after a while?" Such a tough question T_T | ||
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
With 40 APM I don't think it really matters. Just try random for a while and you'll win more with some race vs another. With global play you can even do terran on EU toss on US and zerg on KR or SEA. | ||
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Rkie
United States1278 Posts
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
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thezanursic
5489 Posts
Terran is probably the easiest early on because it is the most similar to other RTS like AoE, but is considered to be the hardest race overall (and the most punishing at high levels), but you caan get pretty high in all MU by just doing Mass marines + medivacs Protoss is probably the easiest after you've already mastered the bare essentials | ||
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
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Ambre
France416 Posts
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thezanursic
5489 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:07 gingerfluffmuff wrote: I think T is the hardest and most frustrating race to play. Followed by Z. --> Play P. I would argue that T is the easiest early on... It only gets frustrating after you start playing people who are decent. It also helps that T production is really similar to how it works in AOE, WC1-3 etc etc So anybody with prior RTS experience would find T the easiest race to play at first. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
If you are at about Silver or Gold level i'd say Protoss is easiest. Once you are used to the basics of the game Protoss is pretty much a-move to win. At this level i'd put Terran as the hardest race because Terran units scale much more with micro than both Protoss and Zerg, which basicly means that you can no longer just a-move into a Protoss deathball, and you're still miles away from utilizing the units to their full potential. Nevertheless i still think that personal style and taste matters more than anything from Bronze to Bonjwa | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
Protoss if you are a turtling player. Go for Zealot, Stalker and Colossi. You will need to learn how to defend until you reach such a composition. Terran has an easy composition with Marines, Marauder and Medivacs which is easy to use in lower levels. But it would be better if you just push your limits instead of pursuing a specific ladder rank. A ladder rank is reset after a short while anyway, what remains are your skills. APM 40 is very, very low, even for newcomers and casual players. Learn to use hotkeys. It's not that hard and it makes the game easier and comfortable. Activate the gameplay option where the hotkey for each button is displayed. | ||
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BigAsia
Canada451 Posts
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Nerv3
Germany36 Posts
The easy thing about protoss for new players is that you can just build up a big army with a lot of expensive units like colossi, archons on 2 or 3 base and then pretty much attack without microing much and win more easily than with Terran or zerg. With Terran or Zerg you can't usually turtle as much. With Terran it's harder to pick engagements, don't run into storms etc. while with Zerg I think it's harder in the beginning to get the mechanics of the larva, making drones and units when you have to. However I wouldn't pick a race that is easier for beginners, I would pick the race that is the most fun to play for you, because say if you get diamond with Protoss but platinum with Terran, you are still "bad", there is still so much to improve in Starcraft, the league doesn't matter as much as your personal improvements. The journey is the reward.  tl;dr: Pick the race which is the most fun, you get better with every race, you can still switch races once you get basic knowledge of the game. | ||
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
If you like to defend, P or Z can work fine. Z's defense is probably the easiest to grasp though. All mineral defense can work against a lot of builds, except in ZvZ. Static defense is actually useful to Zerg, whereas it mostly only makes sense early or midgame PvZ when playing Protoss... otherwise do not use cannons when learning to play. HotS has opened up options though. Now you can defend with widow mines as T for a while, then attack later. As P you can put on pressure with mothershipcore and recall if needed. As Z, 2 base mutas is completely insane vs P so lots of attacking there. For team games, Terran is definitely the easiest to defend with. You can make bunkers and repair and defend a lot of lower tier players. | ||
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
Terran has to micro units to be effective as Z/P relatively unmicroed armies, so losing in battles and wondering "why did all of my stuff die so fast?" would be extremely frustrating for a beginner I would imagine. Warp Gate is a forgiving macro mechanic that has no weakness, and the units are effective without micro. | ||
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covetousrat
2109 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
3 marines < 3 zealots. Toss easiest. edit: Some of you guys are giving way too much credit to cold, hard noobs. | ||
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opus55
Germany31 Posts
- At really low level (bronze), terran is probably the easiest race to play, since they have the strongest basic units; so, if no one knows when or where to tech, pushing with some amount of marines, marouders, medivacs wins a lot of games relatively easily. - At mid level, silver to diamond, Zerg should be the easiest race because it has the easiest macro mechanics: Camera switches are only necessary for the occasional construction of tech buildings and starting research, for injects and for creep spread (the latter being less important the lower your league is). The rest of the time you can look at your army, harass, etc. - Protoss is easy if and only if you play allins. Protoss macro uses up the most multitasking of all races, since you have to look on almost everything you are doing (in comparison to terrans, warping in units requires vision on a pylon and generally uses up a bit more time). As a beginner, you will almost never have time to look at your army. If you play allins, however, you only need to control your army and warp in from the time your attack starts on, and that's quite easy again. Probably this still holds for HotS, although there could be new, important factors for race difficulty at certain levels. | ||
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TheHansBecker
United States117 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:16 SinCitta wrote: Zerg is out of question because of injects. The only way to make it work is by Zergling only strategies. Protoss if you are a turtling player. Go for Zealot, Stalker and Colossi. You will need to learn how to defend until you reach such a composition. Terran has an easy composition with Marines, Marauder and Medivacs which is easy to use in lower levels. But it would be better if you just push your limits instead of pursuing a specific ladder rank. A ladder rank is reset after a short while anyway, what remains are your skills. APM 40 is very, very low, even for newcomers and casual players. Learn to use hotkeys. It's not that hard and it makes the game easier and comfortable. Activate the gameplay option where the hotkey for each button is displayed. Bio is mega easy to play, safe because of bunkers and wall offs, with very simple, understandable macro rules- "Always be producing from your barracks and CCs". I'd say from zero to Gold, Terran is the way to go. Injects are overrated in difficulty. It's not that hard to 33v44v55v every so often. They aren't going to be pro, but in lower leagues it doesn't matter all that much. Additionally, Mutalisks are some of the biggest game changers at low levels. Since lower level players are unlikely to scout much, rushing Mutas every game can really work for low level Zerg. Colossi are overrated at low levels, but Warp Gates are not. Without the basic micro to keep colossi alive, they can be a HUGE waste of time and gas. By the time they are out, a bio player can often just stim everything, run forward, and target all the colossi down. Warp gates are forgiving and awesome for new players, plus allow for creative play with pylons and warp prisms. I generally have all my friends start Terran, because teaching the rules is so easy- its a nice learning curve. Yes, their army micro is the hardest, but its easy to glance at his screen and say "you should be producing out of all rax and stargates", and just have him make MMM until he's capped. | ||
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ArhK
France287 Posts
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CCalms
United States341 Posts
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mythandier
United States828 Posts
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ruiyang
252 Posts
Not zerg, why? 1. Zerg is ruled out due to inject mechanics. Its easy to float into money/mismacro. 2. a responsive race is much more difficult to play than an active race. (Its easier to launch a fist in someone face randomly and hope to hit than dodge/read the hit and fire a hit back). Terran/protoss can often dictate pace of game. That leaves Terran and Protoss: 3. Protoss builder can throw down 10 buildings same time with 1 worker while Terran needs 10 builders and also need to send them all back to do their thing. If u get supply blocked u can throw down multiple pylons and worry about somethin else. 4. Protoss can warp in units to get rid of excess resources 5. Forget to use chronoboost all the time? Who cares at lower level. Forget to use CC energy? It makes big impact. 6. Only micro protoss arguably need at lower level is forcefields. Their units and simply stronger at low numbers (not talking about cost efficiency or w/e) while terran units start gettig stronger at higher mass. Think about 10 marines vs 5 zealots against 30marines vs 15zealots ( without micro). 7-100. Many reasons. Till master level id argue protoss is easiest. Ive gone bronze-master with protoss with relative ease. Terran required more. Zerg most. At grand master level or even high master id say terran is hardest to truly master and zerg/protoss stand around even. Still think even at very highest level protoss is slightly easier. | ||
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ant-1
Canada149 Posts
With toss you need to tech to tier 3 without dying to rushes, and you need good forcefield usage (frustrating with no real minimap awareness). With zerg you need good macro cycle or you end up with 3 larvae and a huge bank. Oh and to people saying with terran you cannot a-move stutter step blahblah: noobs amove all the time, whatever their race. | ||
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Tailss
Sweden233 Posts
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VelRa_G
Canada304 Posts
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:31 mythandier wrote: If you're casual then you should just pick whichever one you think is the coolest. Easiest shouldn't matter. If it really matters that much then I'd agree that at the lowest levels Protoss is probably the easiest. I am with this guy, play who looks coolest. Its what I do and it always works out. I would also say that it depends on what you are looking for: If you want to learn a bunch of weird, fun and crazy one base timings, play terran. Drops are the bane of new players and widow mines will boggle their minds. It might not alway work, but it is fun when it does. If you want the race with more forgiving macro, protoss is the way to good. Warpgate is pretty fun . | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:29 danl9rm wrote: I don't know why, but every *true* noob is overwhelmed by zerg at first as it is the least intuitive initially, it seems. And, let's be honest, whether they play terran or toss they are only going to make 3 units before their "army" is replete anyway, out of that 1 racks or gateway. 3 marines < 3 zealots. Toss easiest. edit: Some of you guys are giving way too much credit to cold, hard noobs. Most of my friends who had previous RTS experience (even SC:BW) agreed that Protoss was the easiest to sink their teeth into. I myself play Protoss. But the "true" noobs, as you put it, found Zerg easier. Sure, they were really sloppy on their injects and they would average 1 creep tumor a minute, and only for the first five minutes of the game. But I've introduced Starcraft to three "true" noobs (no RTS, no AoE, no C&C, etc), and they all learned the ropes with Zerg. Edit: So glad this thread hasn't turned into what everyone was expecting it would turn into when they clicked it and read the OP. | ||
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Cuce
Turkey1127 Posts
also its pretty afforable at low leagues to get extra hatchs to compensate for missed injects | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On March 13 2013 00:29 opus55 wrote: Depends on your level. - At really low level (bronze), terran is probably the easiest race to play, since they have the strongest basic units; so, if no one knows when or where to tech, pushing with some amount of marines, marouders, medivacs wins a lot of games relatively easily. - At mid level, silver to diamond, Zerg should be the easiest race because it has the easiest macro mechanics: Camera switches are only necessary for the occasional construction of tech buildings and starting research, for injects and for creep spread (the latter being less important the lower your league is). The rest of the time you can look at your army, harass, etc. - Protoss is easy if and only if you play allins. Protoss macro uses up the most multitasking of all races, since you have to look on almost everything you are doing (in comparison to terrans, warping in units requires vision on a pylon and generally uses up a bit more time). As a beginner, you will almost never have time to look at your army. If you play allins, however, you only need to control your army and warp in from the time your attack starts on, and that's quite easy again. Probably this still holds for HotS, although there could be new, important factors for race difficulty at certain levels. here is why. if you are literally just starting with sc2, it will be so much easier to get that tech lab and stim while 1basing and getting supply blocked all the time, opposed to teching to high cost splash that toss depends on, or injecting and expanding while deciding between army and drones that zerg has to. terran is just more intuitive and easy to understand. from my experience, players like these will always neglect to tech and at the end of the day mmm > gateway army. however, past silver league, things do shift. protoss warpgate (allin) will get you to diamond faster than other races (but then you'll really suck in comparison to other players in your division if you ever play a bo5 with them), while if you really want to learn the game, zerg is the race to go to because of the easiest, automated macro mechanics, which will help you further your understanding of the game while not losing and getting frustrated all the time, meaning youll actually put yourself into scenarios that pass 20min mark. if you ever decide to get good and enter masters, i'd say protoss is the hardest because of its fundamental design flaws* (you either steamroll or loose horribly most of the time), then terran because of heavy micro requirements, and then zerg with the new queen patch and the metagame. things may shift in HotS once more. ---- *while keeping in mind that playing macro toss or abusive toss is like playing two different races. | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
The reason why is macro. Macro wins games until you're at the tip top of competition, and Terran macro is the easiest of all races. First, queuing up units can be done easily whatever screen you're looking at. With Protoss, you need to look at a screen with a pylon on it, which you normally won't have when you're fighting. Second, Mules are the most forgiving macro mechanic. If you don't inject with a queen immediately after gaining enough energy, you've permanently lost larva (assuming you don't leave that hatchery idle until it hits max larva). It's equivalent to having a Barracks be destroyed. The Protoss macro mechanic, on the other hand, isn't very efficacious. In fact, it only has a major impact on the game if you diligently Chrono important structures. Because of this, if you miss your Chrono Boosts on an important structure like a Forge or Robotics Facility, the ability will only have a nominal effect on the game. Obviously, if you don't Mule ASAP, you do lose the ability to utilize the faster income earlier, but spraying them down on a virgin third or fourth mitigates the above loss better than the 1) losing potential larva or 2) losing the ability to Chrono a crucial upgrade or high tech unit. Finally, Terran (especially in HOTS) can be played defensively. This might surprise players who often see Terran lose to various rushes, but it's true. When you see a Korean Terran getting rushed, what you're normally watching is Terran trying to leverage their tremendously effective defense to be absurdly greedy. For example, you'll often see a Terran using one Bunker to protect their natural, tech, upgrade, and expand to their third while powering. If you play conservatively, you can macro up safely and take the game into its later stages. | ||
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Ewok
United States26 Posts
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Ricoic
39 Posts
I'd say to a casual player to go random for a bit and figure out what race you really like the best. Thats what i did when I started sc2. Thought I'd like protoss ended up switching to zerg and never looked back. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
And in low levels micro mean nothing. I realy mean nothing. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
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yOngKIN
Korea (North)656 Posts
as a zerg, i say protoss. | ||
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hellokitty[hk]
United States1309 Posts
Poll: Which race is EZ PZ? Protoss obviously (48) Terran (lol) (14) Zerg (8) Protoss (1) 71 total votes Your vote: Which race is EZ PZ? (Vote): Protoss obviously | ||
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Terran is 2nd on the list, but arguably becomes hardest as you get better due to needing to meet minimum micro requirements (might change in HotS) I would never recommend zerg for beginners or people who don't adequately keep up with the meta. Zerg is probably the most dependent on decisions as you have to have a good grasp on what can kill you at each stage to get away with more drones. Zerg has the weakest defenses (bad turtles) and their cheeses/all-ins aren't as clear cut which is what lower level players tend to cling to until they're comfortable with the game. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
Its obviously protoss. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
No injects, no difficult army splits. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
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Pzar
New Zealand46 Posts
Zerg either clicked or it didn't. You either overwhelmed people easily, or everything was messy and just didn't work quite right. And there wasn't much middle ground. Protoss, specifically warp in (building) and warp gate mechanics simply filled the gaps the best. Everything you do is worth more (due to unit costs) and it's front loaded for those "oh shit, units" moments. Terran was ok. Queuing helps, mules are nice, so it wasn't bad for new peoples. They just didn't fill the gaps quite as well as warp in (SCV's being left around more often) and warp gate (the front loaded part, mostly) mechanics. It (mostly) evened out after a little practice though, so I would choose the races that you like more (mechanics/asthetics/whatever-wise) anyway. Tha's what I found when I was playing random-bronze anyway. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On March 13 2013 01:14 Bagi wrote: I love how only the protoss icons are saying protoss isn't the easiest. Its obviously protoss. some even saying that protoss requires the most multitasking just because of warp in requiring a pylon. yep. looking away to warp in is way more multitasking than playing bio tvp or muta zvp. | ||
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Hing
Estonia26 Posts
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castleeMg
Canada777 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
I feel like zerg may be the easiest, the only thing I've found difficult for a new zerg player is that you have to learn to scout and react in advance against rushes. Overall, they have the easiest macro and micro. The skill ceiling is very high for zerg, but you are greatly rewarded for it (hitting injects, and creep spread definitely separates the better zerg players) | ||
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ChriseC
Germany440 Posts
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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Skiblet
South Africa206 Posts
then zerg then terran | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
If you go for multiplayer only with no experience of the game, i would agree with Protoss. | ||
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
and larvae can be acumulated so you can make a lot of units whenever u want, which is good when you don't spend your resources or macro properly. you can also make macro hatches so you have "perfect injects" with your queens, spending all their energy. it's more forgiving, losing some units won't cost you the game. but it requires more multitasking than the other races, due to injects, creep spread, overloard spread, ling run-bys, etc. | ||
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crazyweasel
607 Posts
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
for casual gaming, platinum and below | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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