Blizzard to announce something at PAX - Page 14

rezzan

Sweden329 Posts

March 01 2013 16:15 GMT

#261

probably LAN for sc2 ? or some random game mod for sc2 or such... I hope its something good though.. like something REALLY good...

Gorg

Germany261 Posts

March 01 2013 16:18 GMT

#262

lost vikings mmo, with 3 players per server.

Onlinejaguar

Australia2823 Posts

March 01 2013 16:21 GMT

#263

My money is on blizzard all stars.

Pimpmuckl

Germany528 Posts

March 01 2013 16:31 GMT

#264

On February 27 2013 18:40 ShadeR wrote:
Probably LAN.

HOLY WTF ONE STEP AT A TIME BRO.

Erm well my guess is some half baked xbox d3 or Allstars official release date

KookyMonster

United States311 Posts

March 01 2013 16:41 GMT

#265

Xbox D3 is my guess.

Romano

Germany60 Posts

March 01 2013 16:44 GMT

#266

blizzard dota

aksfjh

United States4853 Posts

March 01 2013 17:44 GMT

#267

On March 01 2013 20:37 Velr wrote:

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On March 01 2013 15:34 aksfjh wrote:

On March 01 2013 10:22 Falling wrote:

On March 01 2013 10:14 Shakattak wrote:

On March 01 2013 09:18 KwarK wrote:

On March 01 2013 08:34 opisska wrote:

On March 01 2013 06:42 KwarK wrote:

On March 01 2013 06:17 Blackfish wrote:

On February 28 2013 23:19 KwarK wrote:

On February 28 2013 22:56 mordk wrote:
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Meh.. SC2 is fine and was always fine. It wasn't BW on 3D which many people wanted, but it's a damn fine game.

Not for a company which brought out Diablo I and II, Starcraft and Brood War and the original WoW. Blizzard were once exceptional.

Having thought about this for 2 and a half year now I can tell: If it was broodwar, I wouldn´t play. I like to feel competitve even tough I suck, so sc2 with it´s easier mechanics and league system is perfect for me... And hell it´s still f*cking hard game to play. Now think about broodwar... I mean yeah watching the pros play was great and such, but selecting each worker individually, only 12 things on 1 control group... we all know it, it´s hard and after a stressed out day from school I wouldn´t want that. So for a game itself and not counting in esports... SC2 is better, atleast for the diamond-bronze region.

It doesn't work that way. You get used to it. Saying the game is unplayable with unit selection capped at 12 is like saying the game is unplayable because gateways can't be set to automatically build a certain unit whenever you have psi and minerals.

And you also get used to the fact that it doesn't have to be that way. I have played BW for years - I have never watched it, neither I had any idea that there is some "esports" or TL or wahetver, so I wasn't "a part of the community" - but I played the game for some time basically every evening. Then I got worn out by the sheer impossiblity to do anything interesting with some semblance of success, because the game was ridiculously hard - and most of the time we did not even play on fastest!

So when SC2 came, I was looking forward to it, but I had no idea how good is it gonna be. I played about 3000 ladder games of SC2 already and there is still something to explore, new things to learn. Yes, there is much more to do in BW, but the difference is, that in SC2, I can actually succeed.

So in my point of view, SC2 is an absolutely briliant game and I completely love it. Should I judge Blizzard based on it, I would have to say that they are a damn good company - considering also all the support they give even though I already paid them. Yes, there are things that could be better, but overall, this game was the best spent 50 Euro of my life.

It's above average but even a bunch of things like the functionality of the multiplayer (battlebet 2.0) are inferior to bw. Admittedly it took about six years of patches for bw to get to the point it got to but that was groundbreaking stuff. Starcraft built upon the legacy of Warcraft II and introduced revolutionary online multiplayer gaming. SC II was shipped without chat channels and the like and was slow in responding to the needs that the gamers knew they had because previous games had already provided for them while pushing no boundaries itself. The same mentality applied to the gameplay itself, where previously it had been groundbreaking it became just an imitation of a proven formula. The formula is good, I'm not doubting that, when I say something is imitating the stuff that made bw a success I'm not knocking it, bw was really good. But a poorly photocopied version of something good is not what Blizzard used to be about. They pushed the boundaries and set the benchmark for these genres, it was Blizzard innovation that made them what they are, for them to maintain their reputation for exceptional work they need to continue that revolutionary approach rather than rest on their laurels and imitate their past glories. Anyone could see what made a multiplayer RTS good after brood war, starcraft II is good but it should be good because the formula has already been discovered and proven. Blizzard previously set a higher standard by inventing that formula and simply achieving a competent imitation is a failure to match the standard they set for themselves.

Im not sure what your arguing then , do you want them to make different games ? How do you push the boundaries of RTS or RPG games like diablo ? People are too crazy about balance for them to do anything revolutionary , don't fix what isn't broken .

Well look no further than how Battlenet 0.2 was shipped and you could say they broke what didn't need to be fixed and I think you have a better idea of what kwark is saying. There are many places where they shipped out 'less than' rather than 'equal to' or 'greater than.'

This is pretty much bullshit right here. Nothing more, nothing less. You don't like Battle.net 2.0, we get that, but to suggest that it was a worse iteration of the shit IRC client that you had in BW and WC3 is stupid. It's different, they tried new things, and it was relatively polished for how new it was. You couldn't integrate other Blizzard games on the old Battle.net, you couldn't create the achievements, level system, competent stat tracking, a reliable ladder and matchmaking system, and so on. Even on their worst part, custom game management, it was infinitely better than what WC3 had become: a list of 95% bot hosted DotA games, 5% games that were also bot hosted and would kick you for downloading. That was a ton of fun...

If you really think Bnet 0.2 at release and in the year after was even close to being as good as the WC3 bnet... Then you should go see a doctor.
I don't know how the Bnet 0.2 atm is.. I haven't used it in 6 Months and don't plan to do so in the near future...

I never had any troublse with the WC3 custom game system.. Maybe because I mainly played Dota tho (get gamename from some leaguge site or meet some friends/opponents in some chatchannel and go :p).

Btw: Wc3 did MORE (shown) stat tracking than SC2 did when i still cared, it was just not shown "IN" the bnet but on the blizzard site via link from the bnet.

Thanks for making my point. The benefit of Bnet 2.0 is that there is a platform to do all that stuff within, instead of linking to a webpage or some other nonsense. Also, the issue with custom games was that you ONLY saw the popular crap. If you didn't play DotA or Tower Wars, it was almost impossible to find a pickup game.

Velr

Switzerland10596 Posts

March 01 2013 17:50 GMT

#268

Sounds like SC2's custom game system... oh noes, you could actually open a not so prominent game in WC3 and people would join....

The other is a benefit, but honestly who cares about this in the long run...

SigmaoctanusIV

United States3313 Posts

March 01 2013 17:50 GMT

#269

Starcraft 2 Legacy of the Void, PS4

OkStyX

Canada1199 Posts

March 01 2013 17:56 GMT

#270

On March 01 2013 21:51 KwarK wrote:
If you delete bw from history and sc2 happens then the company that made it have done something remarkable and displayed incredible vision and creativity. I'm not saying sc2 is bad. I'm saying that it pushed no boundaries. Blizzard weren't just competent, they were revolutionary. Nothing about any of their recent work is.

How would you suggest that they push the boundaries? What would you have liked?

KwarK

United States41962 Posts

March 01 2013 19:30 GMT

#271

On March 02 2013 02:56 Shakattak wrote:

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How would you suggest that they push the boundaries? What would you have liked?

I'm not old Blizzard?
I don't need to know how to revolutionise gaming to identify that their earlier work did revolutionise gaming and their later work did not.

GizmoPT

Portugal3040 Posts

March 01 2013 19:32 GMT

#272

On March 02 2013 04:30 KwarK wrote:

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I'm not old Blizzard?
I don't need to know how to revolutionise gaming to identify that their earlier work did revolutionise gaming and their later work did not.

you are a genius

nanaoei

3358 Posts

March 01 2013 19:58 GMT

#273

On March 01 2013 18:56 FFW_Rude wrote:

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Yeah... About that... (You have to know they exists (like the patrol command ingame. If you don't know that it exists... Well...)) And you cannot all touch with hotkeys. The old interface was much better.

But it's off topic ^^

you gotta' remember that the game is tuned to casual gamers as well. the simplified commands in your command hub come stock and there's an option in gameplay or something that allows you to turn off the 'simple command card' so you have the old UI again.

please educate yourself before raising a pitchfork!

scrdmnttr

United States96 Posts

March 01 2013 20:04 GMT

#274

It's completely true. The BW zealots (not the unit >_>) might hate this, but SC2 is merely BW made with modern technology.
It is also true that there is vast opportunities for innovation, and changing units and tacking on macro features is not innovation.

TheFear

United States55 Posts

March 01 2013 20:34 GMT

#275

Going to be really anti-climatic if it's like "Starcraft - The Trading Card Game." lol. In all seriousness maybe something like an FPS build? Reviving SC:Ghost for FPS multiplayer would be a neat trick. Either way if it isn't War4 (which it can't be based on OP) it sounds like I won't get too excited.

GizmoPT

Portugal3040 Posts

March 01 2013 20:46 GMT

#276

On March 02 2013 05:34 TheFear wrote:
Going to be really anti-climatic if it's like "Starcraft - The Trading Card Game." lol. In all seriousness maybe something like an FPS build? Reviving SC:Ghost for FPS multiplayer would be a neat trick. Either way if it isn't War4 (which it can't be based on OP) it sounds like I won't get too excited.

why would that be anti climatic? starcraft cards :DDDDD

Mansef

59 Posts

March 01 2013 20:49 GMT

#277

There is no chance in hell it's not Blizzard All-Stars.
Can't wait to play another stupid MOBA.

SnowfaLL

Canada730 Posts

March 01 2013 21:51 GMT

#278

Do you think if Blizzard releases a MOBA, they won't be stupid enough to remove matchmaking? I mean, the ladder means so much to the growth and development of young players for SC2, which is the significant missing link in Dota 2. No one does matchmaking better than Blizzard..

GizmoPT

Portugal3040 Posts

March 01 2013 22:01 GMT

#279

On March 02 2013 06:51 Kaden wrote:
Do you think if Blizzard releases a MOBA, they won't be stupid enough to remove matchmaking? I mean, the ladder means so much to the growth and development of young players for SC2, which is the significant missing link in Dota 2. No one does matchmaking better than Blizzard..

they already said it will have a ladder ;o

Sabu113

United States11035 Posts

March 01 2013 22:04 GMT

#280

On March 02 2013 05:04 scrdmnttr wrote:
It's completely true. The BW zealots (not the unit >_>) might hate this, but SC2 is merely BW made with modern technology.
It is also true that there is vast opportunities for innovation, and changing units and tacking on macro features is not innovation.

Eh. I think a world in which the Warhound makes the beta is a world in which something is very clearly wrong. They felt boxed out of certain unit concepts that worked in BW so they were forced to be super innovative to mixed success.

SC2 at times feels very much like a side product produced by the WoW makers rather than a project in and of itself. On the flipside, the campaign design really is excellent though.

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